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I_Rogue #1605886 03/21/19 02:05 PM
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so apple pretty much knew about the slowdown in luxury good sales in china way back in 3rd quarter 2018. this isn't anything new.

they are at their steepest stock decline in 6 years.

and the companies that supply apple are taking an ass whooping on the stock market as well, as if their dads found out they tried to hide the report card for crap grades.



Apple when this thread was created on Jan 3rd: Around $143
Today: $170 15.8% in about 40 days.

Did you buy on the dip or just cry on it?



Today: $195 36% in less than 3 months.

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Apple is down from over $220 back in October last year. I think that's a more significant trend than being up in the last 40 days .... I don't know about you and what you want to claim - but I don't believe anyone can play and win the market consistently based on short term or day trading. Everything I invest in is based on long term holding.


What I was claiming was exactly what I said. Did y'all buy the dip or cry on the dip?


Apple stock boosted by 'strong buy' call ahead of special press event
11:33 am ET March 21, 2019 (MarketWatch)
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By Tomi Kilgore, MarketWatch

Stock surge propels Apple past Microsoft into first place on list of largest U.S. companies by market capitalization

Shares of Apple Inc. jumped Thursday, enough to lift the technology giant back into first place on the list of most valuable U.S. companies, after Needham analyst Laura Martin's upgraded the company ahead of next week's "Apple Special Event."

Apple's stock(AAPL) surged 3.2% toward a 4-month high, pacing the Dow Jones Industrial Average's gainers. The rally lifted Apple's market capitalization (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-o...-cap-2019-03-21) to $915.7 billion from $887.2 billion on Wednesday. Meanwhile, second-place Microsoft Corp. shares(MSFT) edged up 0.9%, to lift the software giant's market cap to $908.6 billion from $901.6 billion.

Needham's Martin raised her rating on Apple to a rare strong buy (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apples-...ness-2019-03-21), after being at buy for the past two years. She boosted her price target to $225, which is 16% above current prices, from $180. That new price target implies a market cap of about $1.061 trillion, which is below Apple's record market cap of $1.106 billion reached in September 2018, according to FactSet.

Martin said in valuing Apple, she believes the best question to answer is whether Apple is a product company or an ecosystem company. Many on Wall Street might think Apple is a product company, given that 62% of its fiscal first-quarter revenue came from iPhones, but Martin said her proprietary survey indicates users believe it is an ecosystem company.

That's the key reason Martin upgraded Apple now, several days before the Monday's much-anticipated event (https://www.apple.com/apple-events/):

"Because the most important value driver for an ecosystem is churn," Martin wrote in a note to clients. "The lower the churn, the higher the lifetime value per user."

She said the new streaming-video content service Apple is expected to announce should lower churn and drive higher lifetime value for each of the company's 900 million unique ecosystem users, and could attract new users as well.


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lol so anyways, the markets have been spooked lately.

Brexit, Global slowdown, and trade wars. not good.


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The bond market is flashing its biggest recession sign since before the financial crisis

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/21/a-key-re...n-12-years.html

Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell’s assertion this week that the U.S. economy remains strong is facing a stern test from the bond market, which showed a classic recession sign Friday morning.

Short-term government fixed income yields are now ahead of the longer part of the curve, delivering a strong recession indication that hasn’t happened since 2007.

The spread, or yield curve, between the 3-month and 10-year Treasury notes just broke the longest streak ever of being above 10 basis points, or 0.1 percentage point. The two maturities were last below that level in September 2007, a run of 3,009 trading days, according to Bespoke Investment Group.

The two maturities inverted Friday morning, a near-perfect sign that a recession is coming. An inverted yield curve does not mean a recession is imminent but that one is likely over the next year or so.

The three-month note yielded 2.468 percent around 10 am, while the benchmark 10-year was around 2.44 percent.


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Economists see the yield move as a dark signal for an economy coming off its best year since the recovery began in mid-2009.

“Yield curves are responding to what they see, to what I believe is a global economic slowdown,” said Peter Boockvar, chief investment officer at Bleakley Advisory Group. “You don’t see this kind of move in curves, not just here but everywhere, unless you get one.”

Short-term yields moving ahead of their longer-duration counterparts is seen as a sign that growth will be higher now than it will be in the future. New York Fed research considered by many to be seminal on the spread between yields found that the most-telling relationship was between the 3-month and 10-year notes, though many market participants still watch the spread between the two- and 10-year notes, which was about 10 basis points Friday morning.

The Federal Open Market Committee, which sets monetary policy for the Fed, said Wednesday that it won’t be raising rates anytime soon — likely for at least the rest of the year — unless economic conditions change.

Powell said the U.S. economy is “in a good place” though it is facing pressure from slowdowns in Europe and China. He and his colleagues collectively lowered their expectations for GDP growth domestically, now seeing just a 2.1 percent gain in GDP for all of 2019 and 1.9 percent in 2020.

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Bond market investors are showing they think growth could be a good deal beneath even those tepid levels. Financial markets always factor into Fed decisions, so the yield picture likely played a role in the FOMC forecast that no further rate hikes will be coming this year, even though members indicated that two were likely as recently as December 2018.

“All anyone needs to do is read the first paragraph of the Fed press statement to see that the central bank has marked down its assessment of the economic landscape – the choice of words suggests far more than the tweaking that was done to the numerical projections,” David Rosenberg, chief economist and strategist at Gluskin Sheff, said in his daily note Thursday.

Like other financial market observers, Rosenberg noted the diverse reactions between the bond and stock markets — fixed income yields are falling, indicating lower growth, while the stock market is rising.

“The stock market may not agree with the recessionary message from the Treasury market, but it would be foolish to disregard this bond curve move entirely,” he wrote. “The real yield [compared to inflation] on a 10-year note has collapsed to a 14-month low of 0.56% — it never got his low during any part of the 2008/09 Great Recession, for some perspective.”

To be sure, the dire warnings coming from the bond market have been coming over the past year or so, with still no recession in sight. Some market veterans are betting that this may be an example of the stock market getting it right and the fixed income side being too cautious.

“Could it be that the yield curve is signaling weak global economic growth and low inflation without necessarily implying a recession in the US? We think so, and the US stock market apparently supports our thesis,” Ed Yardeni of Yardeni Research said in his morning note Friday. “So why are global stock markets also doing so well? Perhaps there is too much pessimism about the global economic outlook.”

There’s also some indication in the market that the Fed’s move Wednesday to telegraph a decidedly dovish stance could help widen the spread somewhat.

However, the challenges for the economy remain.

“It will come down to the U.S. consumer. That’s the last thing that’s holding us up,” Boockvar said. “We’ll need a decline in the stock market to tip over the consumer. So if the stock market can hang in, I think the U.S. can continue to see some growth. If we start to go back to the December lows again, that could be enough to tip us over.”


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Originally Posted By: Swish
lol so anyways, the markets have been spooked lately.

Brexit, Global slowdown, and trade wars. not good.


You are right. Fed didn't help with last rate hike, either.


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When are we going to abolish the federal reserve or at least go back to the gold standard?

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We're not. so the answer would be never.


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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Based on a friend who works with some of these companies - I have stock in ORHOF and PLNHF ... it's a bit of a flier but plan on holding them and seeing what happens over the next couple years.


Not sure if anyone bought - PLNHF - Up about 65% . . . . ORHOF up about 25% in the same time frame since mid March.


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I invested in MAGA from the get go for obvious reasons.

Microsoft
Apple
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Amazon

Can't even begin to tell you how wise that was. thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I invested in MAGA from the get go for obvious reasons.

Microsoft
Apple
Google
Amazon

Can't even begin to tell you how wise that was. thumbsup


Then you need to pay your fair share. Gimme 100 shares of each!

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Originally Posted By: pfm1963
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I invested in MAGA from the get go for obvious reasons.

Microsoft
Apple
Google
Amazon

Can't even begin to tell you how wise that was. thumbsup


Then you need to pay your fair share. Gimme 100 shares of each!


No can do because after the Bernie tax, I will have but one share for me self.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: pfm1963
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I invested in MAGA from the get go for obvious reasons.

Microsoft
Apple
Google
Amazon

Can't even begin to tell you how wise that was. thumbsup


Then you need to pay your fair share. Gimme 100 shares of each!


No can do because after the Bernie tax, I will have but one share for me self.


If there is any justice left in the world, you won't have that after supporting Trump!

jk obviously little buddy, because I think all your investment rhetoric is BS anyway.

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