DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 24 Ravens 26 What I saw Game #16

I saw another game where Mayfield shows us once again, what happens early does not effect him. He will still give you a shot and 110%. Cant be happier about that.

Im not made about going for the 4th and 10, I would have tried the FG personally, but I don't think it was a wrong decision either way. We were gashing them in the passing game for big chucks, so I understand it.

What a season, I have never witnessed one with more ups and downs myself that I can remember.

Love the post Eo,,,

Yeah, we have a leader in Baker,, that's for sure.

I'm really ticked off at the Refs on that fumble recovery...

That was a game changer and even without it, we came damn close.

Very proud of this team and very proud of Dorsey..

Enjoy the thread Tab,

We have arrived. If this off-season is just close to a home run as the last we will be in the fight for the North next year. 10 wins is a real possibility.
Shore up the D with a DT or two a corner and we need help at MLB imo.
A WR and RT will go a long way in scoring.
We are right there. We are super close and the last half of the season made that statement.
We gotta hire the right staff to pull it all together.
I have my tent on the beach at the isle and my #6 flag flying high. First round of drinks are on me .
It's gonna be fun !!!

Have you seen our kicker?

hopefully we won't see him much longer

QBs who have thrown for 300+ yards against the Ravens this season:

Baker Mayfield
Pat MaHommes
Baker Mayfield

QBs who have thrown for 3 or more TD against the Ravens this season:

Andy Dalton
Baker Mayfield

The Ravens also had more on the line against the Browns than in these other games ..... by far.

Mayfield threw 3 INT, and that's a concern, but I think that he learns from his mistakes. Hopefully he studies his ass off this off-season, and looks at what teams like Houston and Baltimore did on defense against him, and how to overcome their tactics. He responded in the 2nd half of each of those games, and even though we lost both, we were in the Baltimore game up to our final play on offense.

Just a few thoughts.

Re-watching the game right now...Jimmy Smith held Calloway on the first pick and when Calloway fought him off, he was left out of position to receive the pass.

I was too p'od when watching live and missed the replay that was focused on Calloway...showing the blatant hold.

Amazing that the announcers didn't say a word about that. So typical.

I was mad at Callaway after that first interception because I felt he needed to come back to the QB, not just "sit down" after his turnaround. Isn't that WR 101, that you have to come back towards the QB? As it happened, the DB jumped in front for the easy pick. Its hard to blame Mayfield for that pick because when he threw it, he was looking at Callaway's #11 jersey. Callaway has to learn to come back to the QB and fight for the contested catch, IMO.

I thought that too...until I saw the replay angle about 15 minutes ago. Jimmy Smith had a hold of Calloway's jersey pulling him ...Calloway had to fight to free himself as Smith was pulling his jersey from his back...and as a result was unable to right himself to get back in front of Smith. Smith had pulled him away from Baker which put Smith in front.

For as talented as our team is, I think this is one of those games where the difference was experience. I feel like the biggest reason for some of our early 3 and outs was due to not being settled and rushing the execution. I wouldn't go so far as to describe our guys as rattled, but the game was billed as a playoff game for all intents and purposes. I think a more experienced team has that big game nervousness under better control. I was very glad to see we settled down and started making plays.

-I saw we had several really nice plays deep. I kind of wished we went to that well a little more often as it didn't appear to me that the Ravens had a real answer for that part of our game.

-I understand the sentiment that our DEF should have been better prepared to handle their OFF but I feel in a way that it's an overly simplistic view. I hope no one takes offense to that because I don't mean it to be critical of their view point. I'll be the first person to admit I'm no X's and O's guy. Having said that, I don't see how anyone can come away from that game and NOT be impressed by the Ravens. The amount of moving parts in such a small space was amazing. I don't think many teams have the level of discipline required to pull something like that off.

-Lamar is faaaaast!

-I still don't understand the quick whistle on the fumble. It's not like Lamar was so far over the goal line it was an obvious TD. It really sucks because I kept thinking a our DEF taking one to the house was one of the last things they had left to accomplish.

-For the who knows however many times we saw half time adjustments that were worth a damn. I think it's been talked about before that our adjustments are rather small. I think this is a credit to our coaching staff as it means their initial planning is solid. Not having to make huge adjustments or tossing out the plan all together IMO is one of the biggest reasons this team can't be counted out until the final whistle

-I think it's time for Jaime Collins to go. He's simply not consistent with his effort. This isn't just something we've seen in one game, this is an all season kind of deal. I just feel like we can do better than he.

-Callaway blew the doors off the CB on one of his over the shoulder side line catches. Overall I think it was his most mature game of the season.

-Perriman... boy can this guy deliver. He's one of many players trending up.

-Our O-Line.. I really like this line. I think there is a good synergy between them and Baker.

I might be able to add a little more later

I was livid about the non call it was painfully obvious and I am a bit disappointed Tab didn't seem to notice. I was screaming at the TV holding, holding no doubt holding, but they couldn't hear me and I doubt they would have listened...

I think the NFL needs to change the way they make calls. A penalty IMO should be called when its obvious otherwise they allow the teams to decide the outcome. To many times we were jobbed this year, and this was one of those non calls that was obvious.

Someone needs to develop a computer program that can detect and call games the ref's can't ever seem to get it right IMO. Or they call a good balanced game then call something out of nowhere that changes the outcome.

In fact there isn't a game this season where I didn't have a couple of issues with horrible calls, the one in the Oakland game was unforgivable.

JMHO

Oh and sense it wasn't mentioned I will do it here. I kept saying as the game went on that the TE #87 (don't remember his name) to be exact was the guy to key on generally speaking they motioned him and wherever they motioned him to was where the run was designed to go. It really was that simple.

Having said that they also pulled there guards and sometimes their center and sometimes the tackle or even all three, by bunching things up when they pulled we had the backside shut down by simply stepping into the areas vacated by their pulling G/C/T then it was IMO relatively simple to poor the backside of the defense into their blockers 1st taking out the TE, and lead blocker. Its a gimmick offensive scheme one BTW destined to fail.

This offense is a simple offense to diagnose bet they won't get away with it come their next playoff game and for sure with us next year provided GW is back. I can bet he was kicking his own ass for not putting together a better defensive game plan. The concepts Baltimore used were simple get more blockers into an area then defenders led by the TE. By cutting off the backside everyone on the back end of the defense flows to the side they are running too. Play over gimmick exposed and dealt with.

We should have won this game with ease. Baker will do better next year. It was also pretty obvious he was tight when the game started then when we were ready to win the game he got tight again thats something he will shake. Love his attacking style, he simply doesn't back down.

Happy New Year one and all. Can't wait for next season.

This is something that should be looked at by the competition committee, IMO. There's a huge difference between a blow to the head and the touching of a helmet. We've seen intentional helmet to helmet hits on QBs not called, but they penalize a non-jarring, errant or incidental touch. Those calls are simply ridiculous. Like the NBA penalty touching the hand after the shot is gone, it affects nothing and harms no one.

Mayfield admitted he threw it behind Landry so it's hard to put all the blame on Landry

Not blaming the refs, but on the last series, I think is was second down, the throw to Njoku. On the replay you can see him being pulled back away from the ball. It was so obvious to me when watching the replay. The guy was either pulling his jersey, or pulling his shoulder pads. You can clearly see Njoku's shoulders being pulled back. It was subtle, but noticeable.

You’re talking about a different play. Tab is talking about the play immediately after the goal line fumble, where Landry had a TD but dropped the ball. It was not behind him.

You’re talking about the final drive.

Oh,, you mean the one that hit him in the helmet? Is that the one you mean... he's flying down the field, Baker throws it up and Landry misjudged it....OK,, I stand corrected.

I have. He stinks. lol. But I think 4-10 against the ravens defense, given that - either call was the right call. I would have given the kid a shot to redeem himself. JMO.

As I said, I was ok with going for it, im not complaining...I am just saying I probably would have gone for the FG.

Good points...but the grabbed jersey occurred before the throw.

Like you, I'm not adamant about trying the FG. I get that Gregg probably thought it was out of Joseph's range, but we saw a guy fresh off the waiver wire (Catanzaro) kick a 59 yarder to beat us in Tampa. I would like to have seen Joseph get the chance to win the game. I would also add, if you don't think your kicker can make a 56 yarder ... why is he your kicker?

Agreed EO. I see the same things and it's happening too much to be coincidence. It cost us the AFC north this year. If we continue to improve it could cost us a lot more down the road.

There is no vendetta.

Oswald acted alone.

Jim Morrison is dead.

The CIA did not mastermind 9/11.

The refs/NFL head office aren't trying to screw the Browns.

I still think it is our past coming back to haunt us. The Browns make a good play and the refs say ..Impossible. The Browns don't make good plays. Someone has to have held. pushed off, or interfered, and a flag is thrown.

"Back and to the Left"

I think is an area of Baker's game that doesn't get much credit or at least isn't talked about enough sometimes. Baker is not lazy with his play action nor does he rush it. And when you take a look at the form that play action takes sometimes (like holding it low and behind one handed and looking relaxed).. that kind of thing takes some cajones to pull off.

And it's only done well by a handful of QB's.

I teach my craft to private students, one-on-one. I constantly tell them that ours is an art form of detail- the more details you handle competently, the better you sound.

I've watched Baker Mayfield handle all the details of his craft this year. One of his real talents is sleight-of-hand. That play fake where he hides the ball on his back hip is just beautiful to watch. That stuff can be taught, but it takes a true artist to make it look so fluid, effortless- and convincing.

Well said Clem. It's so much fun to watch... and just dumbfounding when your mind turns back around to the fact that "this guy is a rookie!"

We always talk about how long it takes for the game to slow down enough for a rookie QB - yet this guy speeds it up for a veteran DBs, Safetys and LBs with subtle feigns, well placed pump-fakes and a flat out superior sense of timing.

In the words of Mr Cavalier, "trick 'em, young man, trick 'em!"

FATE, I tell you- at times this year, on certain plays, he looked like a 5-year vet who was working towards his pro bowl lockdown:

Confidence.
Execution.
Style points, even.

I've truly never seen anything like it.