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Russian lawyer at Trump Tower meeting charged in separate case

A Russian lawyer whose role at a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower has come under scrutiny from special counsel Robert S. Mueller III was charged Tuesday in a separate case with obstructing justice in a money-laundering investigation.

Natalia Veselnitskaya became a central figure in the Mueller probe when it was revealed that in June 2016, she met with Donald Trump Jr., after an intermediary indicated she had dirt on Hillary Clinton.

But the charges unsealed Tuesday say she made a “misleading declaration” to the court in a civil case.

Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. and others at Trump Tower in Manhattan on June 9, 2016, represented Prevezon Holdings in a civil case in which the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan sought millions of dollars in forfeiture from the company and others. The department had alleged in a civil complaint that a Russian criminal organization ran an elaborate tax refund scheme, stealing the identities of targeted companies and filing sham lawsuits to incur fake losses for refund purposes.

Those involved made about $230 million in tax refunds, prosecutors said, and filtered the money through shell companies and eventually into Prevezon, a Cyprus-based real estate corporation. Prevezon, prosecutors said, laundered the funds into real estate, including by investing in high end commercial property and luxury apartments in Manhattan.

The parent company of the victim firms hired attorneys to investigate after learning of the sham lawsuits, including Russian lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, and they uncovered the fraud scheme, in which Russian government officials were complicit, prosecutors said.

Magnitsky was then arrested and died in custody. On the day he died, prosecutors said, he was beaten by guards with a rubber baton, and an ambulance crew called to treat him was deliberately kept outside of his cell until he was dead. The incident sparked the U.S. to pass the Magnitsky Act, which allowed the U.S. to sanction officials found to have committed human rights violations in Russia.

Last year, the U.S. attorney’s office settled its civil case against Prevezon for more than $5.8 million.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat...b0a8_story.html

Funny she is still in the cross hairs of Mueller. Looks like this is not connected to Trump, but yet connected to the Trump investigation. Hmmm.

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Man, those Russian adoption negotiations must have been some truly high stakes talks!


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So one thing I love doing is reading the actual indictments.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/indictment-natalia-veselnitskaya/index.html

Really makes you wonder what the meeting was actually about. Once again we’re desling with real estate in New York of all places, and I’m wondering if she was attempting to cut a deal with don jr involving this case being dropped.


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Is she even in the States?


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This is certainly a new and interesting twist.


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Bro, are you quoting yourself in your own signature?

That's very trump-esk of you. rofl

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Mueller believes Manafort fed information to Russian with intel ties

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html

Special counsel Robert Mueller believes that Paul Manafort was sharing polling data and discussing Russian-Ukrainian policy with his close Russian-intelligence-linked associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, while he led the Trump presidential campaign, according to parts of a court filing that were meant to be redacted by Manafort's legal team Tuesday but were released publicly.

Manafort discussed a Ukrainian peace plan with Kilimnik, his lawyers acknowledged. He also shared polling data related to the 2016 presidential campaign with Kilimnik, Manafort's legal team acknowledges in their court filing.
The details accidentally released Tuesday are the closest public assertion yet in the Mueller cases of coordination between a Trump campaign official and the Russian government, as Kilimnik is believed to be linked to Russian military intelligence. It's a major acknowledgment from the Mueller team that their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election is finding potential contact between at least one Trump campaign official and the Kremlin.
The Ukraine peace plan that they discussed likely would have dealt with Russian intervention in the region. At around the same time, Russian government operatives were allegedly hacking Democratic computers to help Trump and orchestrating a social media propaganda scheme to sway voters against Trump's electoral opponents.
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Kilimnik has long been suspected to be central to Mueller's investigation into Russian influence in the 2016 presidential election. The revelations in the court filing Tuesday seem to confirm that.
Manafort's filing also acknowledges he met with Kilimnik in Madrid while he worked on Trump's presidential campaign. That would now total three known meetings Manafort had with Kilimnik during the campaign.
The sentences revealed in the filing certify for the first time Mueller's interest in Kilimnik's political actions during the campaign. Manafort has not been charged with crimes related to his work for Trump. Kilimnik only faces a charge from Mueller related to allegedly helping Manafort tamper with witnesses following his arrest.
Kilimnik has not entered a plea in US courts, and Manafort has pleaded guilty to the witness tampering allegation and has been convicted on several lobbying-related financial crimes.
Prosecutors have previously said they believe Kilimnik has ties to the military intelligence unit the GRU, which allegedly hacked the Democratic Party and leaked damaging emails while Manafort ran Trump's campaign operation. Manafort and Kilimnik have been close colleagues for years.
The errant admissions in Manafort's court filing also acknowledge that a person wanted to use his name when meeting President Donald Trump.
Errant redactions
The revelations come in Manafort's written response to accusations that Manafort lied to Mueller's team during cooperation interviews. Those portions had been redacted given Mueller's sensitivities toward ongoing investigations, Manafort's lawyers said, but the redactions were able to be read in the document filed with the federal court online.
Mueller: Paul Manafort lied about contacts with Trump administration this year
Mueller: Paul Manafort lied about contacts with Trump administration this year
Manafort says he did not intentionally mislead Mueller. His legal team offered explanations of human nature as the reasons for his misstatements. He also tried to help the investigation in several ways, such as by handing over his computers, email accounts and passwords to Mueller, he says in a new filing.
Previously, the special counsel's office outlined five areas in which they believe Manafort lied, including about his contact with Kilimnik, who is of interest to the Mueller investigation, and about his communication with White House officials as recently as last year, but redacted some details of what they know and how they know it.
Mueller's accusation that Manafort lied already pulled into question the former campaign chairman's possibility for leniency in the justice system and his usefulness to federal authorities -- though it raised the possibility President Donald Trump could see Manafort as an ally and offer him a pardon.
The special counsel's office declined to comment Tuesday.
Manafort's attorneys did not respond to a request for comment Tuesday about the filing error, though they corrected it in the court's official record.
Manafort's situation
Manafort has been in jail since June, after prosecutors accused him of attempting to sway witness' testimony against him while he was under house arrest. Manafort was convicted by a jury in a Virginia federal court for eight tax and bank fraud charges. He will be sentenced for those crimes in early February.
16 big questions on Robert Mueller's Russia investigation for 2019
16 big questions on Robert Mueller's Russia investigation for 2019
Days before his second trial in a DC federal court was set to begin, Manafort flipped — admitting he masterminded an illegal scheme to lobby for Ukrainians and launder the revenue. In return, prosecutors said they would consider asking the judge for leniency at his eventual sentencing.
The plea deal instantly turned him into the person whom many believed would be the Mueller investigation's star cooperator.
As part of his guilty plea, Manafort agreed to sit for interviews with investigators. It was during some of these nine sessions, in September and October, that prosecutors believe he lied to them.
Manafort initially indicated that he would push back on the investigators' lying accusation, because he believed he had given them truthful information during cooperation.
The judge in DC federal court who has overseen his case, Amy Berman Jackson, gave him the opportunity to respond before she would hold a hearing about the facts of the situation.
That hearing is currently scheduled for later this month. Jackson is set to sentence Manafort for conspiracy and witness tampering charges in March.
For the two charges he currently faces in DC federal court, Manafort could receive 17 to 22 years in prison, his plea agreement says.
He has been wheelchair bound for months, his lawyers say, because of gout, and has been kept essentially in solitary confinement for his own safety.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Mueller believes Manafort fed information to Russian with intel ties

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html

Special counsel Robert Mueller believes that Paul Manafort was sharing polling data and discussing Russian-Ukrainian policy with his close Russian-intelligence-linked associate, Konstantin Kilimnik, while he led the Trump presidential campaign, according to parts of a court filing that were meant to be redacted by Manafort's legal team Tuesday but were released publicly.

Manafort discussed a Ukrainian peace plan with Kilimnik, his lawyers acknowledged. He also shared polling data related to the 2016 presidential campaign with Kilimnik, Manafort's legal team acknowledges in their court filing.
The details accidentally released Tuesday are the closest public assertion yet in the Mueller cases of coordination between a Trump campaign official and the Russian government, as Kilimnik is believed to be linked to Russian military intelligence. It's a major acknowledgment from the Mueller team that their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election is finding potential contact between at least one Trump campaign official and the Kremlin.
The Ukraine peace plan that they discussed likely would have dealt with Russian intervention in the region. At around the same time, Russian government operatives were allegedly hacking Democratic computers to help Trump and orchestrating a social media propaganda scheme to sway voters against Trump's electoral opponents.
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Kilimnik has long been suspected to be central to Mueller's investigation into Russian influence in the 2016 presidential election. The revelations in the court filing Tuesday seem to confirm that.
Manafort's filing also acknowledges he met with Kilimnik in Madrid while he worked on Trump's presidential campaign. That would now total three known meetings Manafort had with Kilimnik during the campaign.
The sentences revealed in the filing certify for the first time Mueller's interest in Kilimnik's political actions during the campaign. Manafort has not been charged with crimes related to his work for Trump. Kilimnik only faces a charge from Mueller related to allegedly helping Manafort tamper with witnesses following his arrest.
Kilimnik has not entered a plea in US courts, and Manafort has pleaded guilty to the witness tampering allegation and has been convicted on several lobbying-related financial crimes.
Prosecutors have previously said they believe Kilimnik has ties to the military intelligence unit the GRU, which allegedly hacked the Democratic Party and leaked damaging emails while Manafort ran Trump's campaign operation. Manafort and Kilimnik have been close colleagues for years.
The errant admissions in Manafort's court filing also acknowledge that a person wanted to use his name when meeting President Donald Trump.
Errant redactions
The revelations come in Manafort's written response to accusations that Manafort lied to Mueller's team during cooperation interviews. Those portions had been redacted given Mueller's sensitivities toward ongoing investigations, Manafort's lawyers said, but the redactions were able to be read in the document filed with the federal court online.
Mueller: Paul Manafort lied about contacts with Trump administration this year
Mueller: Paul Manafort lied about contacts with Trump administration this year
Manafort says he did not intentionally mislead Mueller. His legal team offered explanations of human nature as the reasons for his misstatements. He also tried to help the investigation in several ways, such as by handing over his computers, email accounts and passwords to Mueller, he says in a new filing.
Previously, the special counsel's office outlined five areas in which they believe Manafort lied, including about his contact with Kilimnik, who is of interest to the Mueller investigation, and about his communication with White House officials as recently as last year, but redacted some details of what they know and how they know it.
Mueller's accusation that Manafort lied already pulled into question the former campaign chairman's possibility for leniency in the justice system and his usefulness to federal authorities -- though it raised the possibility President Donald Trump could see Manafort as an ally and offer him a pardon.
The special counsel's office declined to comment Tuesday.
Manafort's attorneys did not respond to a request for comment Tuesday about the filing error, though they corrected it in the court's official record.
Manafort's situation
Manafort has been in jail since June, after prosecutors accused him of attempting to sway witness' testimony against him while he was under house arrest. Manafort was convicted by a jury in a Virginia federal court for eight tax and bank fraud charges. He will be sentenced for those crimes in early February.
16 big questions on Robert Mueller's Russia investigation for 2019
16 big questions on Robert Mueller's Russia investigation for 2019
Days before his second trial in a DC federal court was set to begin, Manafort flipped — admitting he masterminded an illegal scheme to lobby for Ukrainians and launder the revenue. In return, prosecutors said they would consider asking the judge for leniency at his eventual sentencing.
The plea deal instantly turned him into the person whom many believed would be the Mueller investigation's star cooperator.
As part of his guilty plea, Manafort agreed to sit for interviews with investigators. It was during some of these nine sessions, in September and October, that prosecutors believe he lied to them.
Manafort initially indicated that he would push back on the investigators' lying accusation, because he believed he had given them truthful information during cooperation.
The judge in DC federal court who has overseen his case, Amy Berman Jackson, gave him the opportunity to respond before she would hold a hearing about the facts of the situation.
That hearing is currently scheduled for later this month. Jackson is set to sentence Manafort for conspiracy and witness tampering charges in March.
For the two charges he currently faces in DC federal court, Manafort could receive 17 to 22 years in prison, his plea agreement says.
He has been wheelchair bound for months, his lawyers say, because of gout, and has been kept essentially in solitary confinement for his own safety.


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Manafort intended for polling data to go to 2 Ukrainian oligarchs who owed him millions

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/manafort-ukrainian-oligarchs/index.html

Smh.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Manafort intended for polling data to go to 2 Ukrainian oligarchs who owed him millions

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/politics/manafort-ukrainian-oligarchs/index.html

Smh.


Bro, you know I do a little hacking. This data was ideal to target messages to ALL sides on social media. This is how their messages were so effective. They had millions in polling research handed over.

I'm beginning to think a lot of the Hillary/Bernie backer beef was Russian made. Nope, I know it was. It wasn't just Trump supporters that got tricked.

YET I don't see 40, Vambo, or the other regular Trumpshrooms talking about no proof of collusion now... just crickets.

I've even noticed that my family and friends that support Trump are backing off. One of my old ass uncles is die hard Trumpian, he posted a 'would you vote for him again' meme on FB the other day and him and all his pals said NOPE. lmao, slow to wake up but they are getting there.

They elected a traitor.

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You do a little hacking?

That's possibly not advisable to actually admit to it.

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You do a little hacking?
Mostly pentesting. But yep, some hacking... All coding is hacking in a way though Arch. Don't let the nerd lingo fool you into thinking I'm Guccifer-OCD.

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Trump claiming he hires the best people is a lie.

At this point, that’s the best excuse he has. He sucks at properly vetting his employees.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Trump claiming he hires the best people is a lie.

At this point, that’s the best excuse he has. He sucks at properly vetting his employees.



I'm wondering if he has already been indicted under seal. Being stupid is not going to save him, it just got him there.

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Fox News Anchor, Legal Analyst See Evidence of ‘Collusion’ Between Trump Campaign and Russia

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-legal-analyst-says-150653763.html

And these are the analyst that trump supporters claim are closet leftist. Shep, judge nap, and Chris Wallace.

They especially dislike Shep.


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Is it just me or is it really quiet in here lately? It's almost like the parrot narrative has been shut down.

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Is it just me or is it really quiet in here lately? It's almost like the parrot narrative has been shut down.


Dawg Duty is still licking his wounds from his “Trump isn’t racist” thread, 40 keeps running away because he can’t explain why he’s posted 50+ YouTube tribute videos to a guy who likes to watch naked 14 year olds, and Vambo is still having difficulty explaining how a grown adult could be so gullible that they’d believe immigrants were bringing in smallpox because they read it on a bizarrely racist Twitter account.

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because the "how does this relate to trump" narrative went out the window long ago, and they haven't received any marching orders from fox news yet.

Mueller met with Trump campaign pollster, former Manafort associate: CNN

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity...t-associate-cnn



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because the "how does this relate to trump" narrative went out the window long ago, and they haven't received any marching orders from fox news yet.

Mueller met with Trump campaign pollster, former Manafort associate: CNN

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity...t-associate-cnn



“Manafort resigned from the Trump campaign in August 2016 following revelations that he did lobbying work in Ukraine on behalf of pro-Russian forces.”

Yeah ...move along, no collusion going on here. rofl


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