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Winslow missed a lot of time, suffers from chronic knee problems and probably will not reach the potential he had coming out.




As much as the homers dismiss it,this a very accurate statement about the reality of the situation.

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Winslow missed a lot of time, suffers from chronic knee problems and probably will not reach the potential he had coming out.




As much as the homers dismiss it,this a very accurate statement about the reality of the situation.

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It doesn't matter its not like he is bad.




No one said he was bad. All anyone has been saying is that it's a shame he can't live up to his potential coming out of college. He was drafted on his potential, and he will more than likely never live up to it. In year three, he should be the meanest SOB in the Valley..... but he is coming off microfrature surgery for his own mistake....

He may very well become a HOF Tight End.... I just saw him as being worth so much more than he has shown. He can never get those years, health and experience back...


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I Think We Would Be Way Behind Offensively If We Didnt Have Winslow. He's Are Most Reliable and Potent Reciever On The Team.

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I Think We Would Be Way Behind Offensively If We Didnt Have Winslow. He's Are Most Reliable and Potent Reciever On The Team.




I won't argue that at all... Think of what Winslow could be if he were 100 percent. Our second best receiver has probably been Heiden.... We are definately strong at TE... If Winslow were 100 percent, he could be split out and have Heiden at TE... an even bigger threat than we have in our current alignments.


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The Reality Is, You Cant Look at Winslow Ever Being 100 Percent, So I Dont

His 80% is Better Then All The Tight Ends In the League and I Beleive Him, It Shows In His Attitude, and His Play On the Field.

And Ill Take Winslows 80% Over Any Other Tight End.

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The Reality Is, You Cant Look at Winslow Ever Being 100 Percent, So I Dont

His 80% is Better Then All The Tight Ends In the League and I Beleive Him, It Shows In His Attitude, and His Play On the Field.

And Ill Take Winslows 80% Over Any Other Tight End.




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Using that logic, I could tell you that Tim Couch was a good pick. Or Gerrard Warren. etc.





What? How do you figure that,,,,,,




You basically stated that even if a player hasn't produced, he's a good pick because it seemed like a good idea at the time, no matter if he's underachieved so far...or something to that effect. For Kellen, at best we can say the jury's still out.

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I agree with you in that he will never be what he could have been, but I can't agree that a guy who this very day is top 5 at his position is a wasted pick. Is he what he could have been??? No denying that he isn't. However, there isn't a team out there who wouldn't take him (and he would be a top option for most) at what he is TODAY...........like I said hard to call that a wasted pick and I truly dislike the guy who picked him...lol.


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Is he what he could have been??? No denying that he isn't.




How do we even know that??

My feeling is he might now be able to go as long....but I think he is pretty much what he would have been without the injury.


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You basically stated that even if a player hasn't produced, he's a good pick because it seemed like a good idea at the time,




If I'd meant that, I would have said that.. That is NOT what I said.

The guy produced better than Virtually any other TE in the league last year. He did it on a gimpy leg... Two in fact.. How you or anyone else could call that a poor pick is beyond me.

I will grant you and anyone including Tyler that KW2 missed his second season because of a STUPID thing he did.. But missing the first season wasn't anything that hasn't happened to other players.. Including KW1. Go look it up, he missed a good part of his rookie season with a similar injury as KW2... I'd say he had a pretty stellar career afterwards, wouldn't you.

Then KW2 comes back in his 3rd year,, what's he do,, lights it up.. 89 catches, 800+ yards on not one, but TWO gimpy pins..

He's was a Good pick and in time, we may look back and say he was a GREAT Pick. If I were a betting man, I'd say there is a better than even chance that KW2 has a Great Career also.


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You basically stated that even if a player hasn't produced, he's a good pick because it seemed like a good idea at the time,




If I'd meant that, I would have said that.. That is NOT what I said.

The guy produced better than Virtually any other TE in the league last year. He did it on a gimpy leg... Two in fact.. How you or anyone else could call that a poor pick is beyond me.

I will grant you and anyone including Tyler that KW2 missed his second season because of a STUPID thing he did.. But missing the first season wasn't anything that hasn't happened to other players.. Including KW1. Go look it up, he missed a good part of his rookie season with a similar injury as KW2... I'd say he had a pretty stellar career afterwards, wouldn't you.

Then KW2 comes back in his 3rd year,, what's he do,, lights it up.. 89 catches, 800+ yards on not one, but TWO gimpy pins..

He's was a Good pick and in time, we may look back and say he was a GREAT Pick. If I were a betting man, I'd say there is a better than even chance that KW2 has a Great Career also.




Was he worth the first AND a second that we paid for him.... for a player who missed the most of the first and all of the second year of his career? He may be one of the best TEs in football, now. I just think he would have been better without the injuries.... and NOW, missing the playing time, and experience of those first two years, he isn't worth what we paid to get him.

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Was he worth the first AND a second that we paid for him




I don't know,, neither does anyone else. Guess we just might have to wait until his career is over and assess it then!

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and NOW, missing the playing time, and experience of those first two years, he isn't worth what we paid to get him.





You know this how? Look, I know you were expressing an opinion,, it's just one that I can't agree with until I see him play this year and beyond.

What's that old saying about marathon races,,, the race doesn't always go to the swift, but rather to the one that keeps running..

I think before anyone claims that KW2 is or isn't worth what we paid for him,, they ought to at least see how his career turns out...

Will you feel the same way if he catches two TDs that lead us to a Superbowl win? I think not!


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I agree with you about the marathon analogy. I also agree KW2 is a top tier TE.

But there's one problem with the "marathon analogy" in regards to cost. We're basicly going to get three good years out of him while we pay for five. The two years of injury cost us a lot yielding little to no results.

Even in this article he admits he's not "100%" even now. So we will have paid for five years of KW2 and even in year three we're not getting 100% of him.

My point is,by the time he hits his peak,it will be time for that BIG FA contract or an extention. And we lost out big time on two of the first five years.


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Not that you are wrong Pit, but you are sitting there arguing a point whose time hasn't come yet. we know that we either got money back from KW or were free from paying him a bonus the summer he injured himself on the bike.

We also know that his contract was extended either a year or two. I believe it was one.

Now everyone can complain about the Bike thing all they want, and they are right.. that was a wasted year. But we got that year back when we redid his contract after the bike accident..

The year we may never get back is the first one.. and there isn't anything that anyone can do about it. It was an ON THE FIELD injury during a game. It happens,, it's a rough sport....

I find it impossible to use that in any way to discredit the picking of KW2 in the first place...


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How do we even know that??

My feeling is he might now be able to go as long....but I think he is pretty much what he would have been without the injury.


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I don't know Peen maybe because KW just told us............in this article he said he wasn't what he used to be, and hoped to get back there one day. Furthermore, a guy whose PO was to change the position that by his own admission can no longer do some of the things he was supposed to utilize to change said position is a pretty good indicator. His knee was torn apart, and he is still trying to recover from it. He's never going to be what he could have been, because his knee isn't going to allow him to be able to do that. He's going to be a really good TE (heck possible HOFer), but he isn't going to have the impact on the game the way he could have with that freakish athletisism for a guy his size.


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I find it impossible to use that in any way to discredit the picking of KW2 in the first place...




That isn't my assertion at all. I think the pick turned out fine. No qualms there. Probably considered the #1 threat to oposing D's when he's on the field.

I was just indicating how much better things "could have" turned out. And I do think that he's lost 10% - 20% of his ability from where he was when we drafted him. Still a very dangerous top tier TE even at that.

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OH,,,, well, the whole discussion was based on Tyler saying it was a Poor Pick,,, and I thought that's what you meant,,

Geez,,,

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I was just indicating how much better things "could have" turned out.




Well geez Pit,, if I were handsome, I would not have had to rely so much on wit and charm to get lucky in bars!


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How's that working out for you BTW?


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I also said he was one of the best Tight Ends in football now...

As Pitt stated, we lost 2 years of his 5 year contract, lost a second round pick (thanks to Butch's genius...) in getting him, and by KW II's own statement, we're only getting 80 % of what he was when we drafted him. That 80 % is still very good, but it could have been so much more....

This is probably a debate we'll have throughout his career. I do hope he plays his whole career with Cleveland, but there's always the chance he'll want to return home to San Diego, or go back to Florida...


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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

We can't go back and change the past. What's done is done. As RAC said in his presser, you can't worry about the things you can't control.

It's how we (and specifically, K2) move forward.

So far, he has moved forward better than anyone could have imagined I think. Hopefully, he'll get close to that 100%. If not, hopefully he'll continue to give us everything he has and hopefully that will still put him in the Top 5 TE range in the league.

This is the way I'm approaching it.

Because when I think about what could have been with him, I can't sleep at night.


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As Pitt stated, we lost 2 years of his 5 year contract




I know that it looks that way,, but we really didn't lose 2 years. We lost 1. The reason is that after the Bike thing, Savage and KW's agent (postons at the time I think) re worked his deal.. there were several reasons for that, but one of the good things that came out of it was an extention of 1 year.

So when you say we lost 2 years,,, while technically correct because he was basically out for all but 2 games over a two year period, we did get one back..

As for the second round pick that Butch gave up for him,, oh yeah, butch got played big on that one. He bought that Millen was going for KW and made the deal.. That is so true...

The 80% thing,, what can I say. Yeah, he's only at 80% and he may never be better than that.. 80% got us 89 receptions, 800+ yards of offense and 3 TD's last year... Not too bad really.

Before someone says it (peen, are you listening ) Yeah, he only had 3 TD's but how many did he drop in the End Zone? I can only remember 1 but I suppose there could have been more.

Point is, if someone doesn't throw it to him in the endzone,, how's that a slap on KW's performance and how could anyone hold that against him?

Not saying you are doing this Halfback, but I wonder if some people are a little concerned about him given they didn't use him a lot during Preseason..

For what it's worth, I don't blame the Browns for not using him a lot in Preseason.


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People are making way too big of a deal out of how much we gave up to get him. Obviously, in hindsight, you'd take a Roy Williams or DeAngelo Hall and a high 2 over Winslow, but does it really matter? It's results oriented thinking.

The bottom line is we have a great TE right now, who has the potential to be great for a long time. If he can't continue to perform, or his body starts falling apart, we draft another TE. It's that simple. There are great TE's in Winslow's mold that come out every year, even if they don't have the same elite high-end potential that he did when he was drafted.

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Obviously, in hindsight, you'd take a Roy Williams or DeAngelo Hall and a high 2 over Winslow




I don't think that's so obvoious.. But you are right about one thing,, it's results oriented thinking and while he stumbled the first two years, in his third, there were pretty darn good results,,,


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Not saying you are doing this Halfback, but I wonder if some people are a little concerned about him given they didn't use him a lot during Preseason..




I don't worry about preseason with someone who has injury problems. I trust that Winslow, Steinbach, and Shaffer will be back for the season. Why risk someone with injuries or tender knees/ankles in meaningless games. Keep them out and make sure they're ready for the Steelers. It gives the backups a chance to show what they can do. I enjoy watching Heiden play anyway.


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Yeah, I didin't think you were one to worry about the Preseason.. you clearly understand,, Cool


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Didn't like the pick when he was chosen... Still concerned about the ROI...

He may not be a long term investment because of his immaturity and poor decision making...

Don't like the value recieved, nor do I like the disruptions and distractions to the team and organization...

His talent and production have not exceeded or equaled his baggage up to this point... Poor decision and investment in this player, as of now... JMO's.

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He may not be a long term investment because of his immaturity and poor decision making...





I would have agreed a year or so ago,, but honestly, the kid seems to have matured,,,

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Don't like the value recieved, nor do I like the disruptions and distractions to the team and organization...




To date, the value hasn't totally been there, so to that I agree. But the disruptions and distractions seem to be in the past. Again, it appears the kid has matured...

Boise, you are certainly entitled to an opinion, But you are kinda holding the kids past against him.. How long you gonna do that? You don't seem to be allowing for the changes he's made...

Again, It's your opinion, but I can't agree!


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Boise, you are certainly entitled to an opinion, But you are kinda holding the kids past against him.. How long you gonna do that?



I can't speak for Boise, but unfortunately KW2 injured himself in such a way prior to his new-found maturity, that might haunt him his whole career, if not shorten it.... so his past is going to stick with him.... If it was a simple case of him running his mouth or getting a DUI, maturity can help you overcome those things and you can move on... but with KW2, his health is going to be an issue every year as a result of the mistakes he made.....

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If the changes get him back to 100% physically, then I'll be more than happy to forgive and forget...


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but unfortunately KW2 injured himself in such a way prior to his new-found maturity, that might haunt him his whole career,




Yeah, I know,,, It might,, then again it might not. He was pretty damn productive last season wasn't he..

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There's that IF thing again,,

KW2 came back last year,, had a pretty good year by just about anyones standards except Browns Fans it seems

The injury he sustained in the second game of his rookie season could just as easily be the one that cripples him more than the Bike thing.. I'm just wondering what people will say IF that turns out to be the case.

Maturity is a funny thing,., you gotta get older to obtain any level of it,, the trouble is, it's a One year at a time proposition..

Sometimes a person makes some mistakes along the way.


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Daman... I'm not really arguing one way or the other, but....

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He was pretty damn productive last season wasn't he..



He was... will he be as productive as he could be for as long as he could be? I don't know, nobody does. I hope so.

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KW2 came back last year,, had a pretty good year by just about anyones standards except Browns Fans it seems



I think he had a very good year, especially given the year the Browns as a whole had....

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The injury he sustained in the second game of his rookie season could just as easily be the one that cripples him more than the Bike thing.. I'm just wondering what people will say IF that turns out to be the case.



I doubt we'll ever know.


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I understand that DC,,, I guess I'm not allwoing myself to worry about the "what if's".. I'm just dealing with "what is" instead..

The other day, I found out I owe some extra taxes.... Had I figured it out correectly the first time, I'd still owe the taxes, but not the penalty. But, I didn't to it correctly.

I have two choices,, Pay the taxes and cry about it,,, or pay that taxes and move on....

I'm paying and moving on! Which is also what I'm doing with KW2!

Simple things for simple minds!


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Sorry about your taxes.... they suck almost as much as the Steelers...

I agree with you, no sense in crying about it or worrying about it.. he still looks pretty darn productive and I'm glad he's here... if his career is shortened by a few years or his injury becomes a bigger problem, we'll have to deal with it then...


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We are all entitled to opinions... We don't need or have to agree...

That what is great about this opportunity.

I've made mistakes and poor decisions big and small... We all do. Those decisions affect more than just ourselves. and some are "life time errors". We are all forgiven and should be... We don't need to nor should we forget the poor decisions we make. It's how we learn, grow and mature.

Opinion/s aside, when we/I look at the overall value and productivity of what KW jr has brought to the Browns table it is very easy to see that the Browns have not recieved the value and production expected. The life or career of an NFL TE is what on average? When we consider the injuries, why, the games missed, the disruptions, distractions, behavior and lack of poise and class exibited and the very real possiblity that jr's career very well may be reduced becasuse of his decisions and actions, the ROI concern has viable merit.

Not forgiving vs. looking at the facts from a overall business perspective are very separate & different issues... It's right there for all to see "it", if you look look at it from a what have we gotten for the money view.

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Opinion/s aside, when we/I look at the overall value and productivity of what KW jr has brought to the Browns table it is very easy to see that the Browns have not recieved the value and production expected.




I think that when you said something similar, I agreed and I still do. WE haven't seen the value for the buck expended.. and we may never. But look at William Green, Courtney Brown, Tim Couch, Gerard Warren.... what did we get in terms of Value from them.... NOTHING..

But I go back to this. He's got one very solid year under his belt. He's stayed out of trouble, he's appeared to clean up his act and it appears that for the first time since his rookie season opened up, he's pretty healthy. I'm thinking we have a better than even chance of seeing some real productivity out of him for a number of years to come..

That's a whole lot better than the other 4 I named above

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?? I don't get that.

Last year wasn't real productive?


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Last year wasn't real productive?




Yes Yes,, of course it was. I've been saying that all along... try and keep up Peen

Perhaps I should have stated More years of Productivity!


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Good points. jr had a solid year last year, no question. More like what has been expected for the past several. He was improved off the field too.

The 4 you mentioned all are a bit different situations as all players are... The ROI on those players is obiviously not worth more discussion. If jr. doesn't have another couple years like last he will end up in a very similar situation as the other four you mentioned...

So far KWjr. is not a good overall investment. Period. We shall see... C-ya man.

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Winslow is awesome...

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Well geez Pit,, if I were handsome, I would not have had to rely so much on wit and charm to get lucky in bars!





..so that was YOU I saw (workin' so hard... ) every weekend, backintheday?
Dang, D... I knew you seemed familiar to me for some reason!


I can only speak for m'self, but I gotta tellya, D... wit & charm worked pretty well for me too, when necessary...



..but being handsome didn't hurt, either.



just wanted to share...


"too many notes, not enough music-"

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