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I think we should look at this draft for the potential to flip the script on our decade long stockpiling of draft picks. Cash in some chips and target an elite talent. If we are to believe (as discussed in another thread) the evident urgency of taking advantage of a QB on a rookie contract - this fits the mold perfectly.

I'd like to offer my high 3rd rounder (or more if need be) for a chance to move up and grab a game-changer. Enough talent to make our defense day-one-elite. In much the way a "quicker" Mayfield has put other defenses on their heels and made our O-Line look elite - the rage and fury we would create up front, with a transcendent DT, will narrow the window of responsibility for the rest of our defense and help them play at an elite level. Myles Garrett would have a partner in some criminal pursuit of NFL QBs.

RASHAN GARY DT MICHIGAN

Force of nature in a 6'5" 282 frame. Quick and fast, more than that, explosive. Punishing tackler, he will wrap you and stuff you in the turf in .3 seconds. Run stopper. Strength and agility to make diving, lunging tackles outside of his frame... and you never saw him coming. I might take some flack for this, but I see a lot of the late, great Jerome Brown. He shed weight to play more DE this season for Michigan, I move him back inside where he is most disruptive.

You want real players? Go get 'em.

And then feed him steak and baked potatoes til opening day... I want to see him report at 299.

The problem with Gary is that he's often injured. Medical checks would be key.

Your score is: 30625 (GRADE: A+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17: White, Devin, ILB, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 17: Jones, DreMont, DT, Ohio State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Adams, Trey, OT, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 28: Ridley, Riley, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17: Gustin, Porter, OLB, Southern California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Austin, Blessuan, CB, Rutgers (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Hill, KJ, WR, Ohio State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 29: Kinnel, Tyree, FS, Michigan (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16: Van Ginkel, Andrew, OLB, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Blankenship, Rodrigo, K, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Brown, Jordan, CB, South Dakota State (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2020 Round 1 Pick
2021 Round 1 Pick

Your score is: 34138 (GRADE: A+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 28 (LAC): White, Devin, ILB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Allen, Zach, DE, Boston College (A+)
Round 2 Pick 21 (PHI): Tillery, Jerry, DT, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Adams, Trey, OT, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 20 (DET): Gilbert, Mark, CB, Duke (A+)
Round 3 Pick 28: Pinckney, Michael, OLB, Miami (FL) (A+)
Round 3 Pick 29 (JAX): Conrad, CJ, TE, Kentucky (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1 (ARI): Hall, Emanuel, WR, Missouri (A+)
Round 4 Pick 8 (DET): Gardner-Johnson, Chauncey, FS/SS, Florida (A+)
Round 4 Pick 12 (G.B.): Christmas, Demarcus, DT, Florida State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 21 (PHI): Tell III, Marvell, FS, Southern California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 1 (ARI): Bradbury, Garrett, C, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Anderson, Rodney, RB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: McSorley, Trace, QB, Penn State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 21 (PHI): Pratt, Germaine, OLB, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 29: Froholdt, Hjalte, OG, Arkansas (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1 (ARI): Scharping, Max, OT, Northern Illinois (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16: Mims, Denzel, WR, Baylor (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Boyd, Kris, CB, Texas (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Blankenship, Rodrigo, K, Georgia (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2020 Round 1 Pick
2021 Round 1 Pick

I've heard Devin White may stay in school. Don't have a link right now but I will look around. Has he declared or has anyone heard anything to confirm this?

If I am trading up for a DL I am going for broke and going after Williams, Alabama.

I was hoping this guy would fall to us.

January 6, 2019 - 3:11 pm

Auburn DT Brown to return to school … No question that the defensive line will be the strength of the early going at the 2019 draft, however, the DL class took a bit of a hit with news that star Auburn junior DT Derrick Brown, who was considered a potential top ten pick, has decided to stay in school for his senior campaign next fall.

https://gbnreport.com

Let's presume that we are going to draft a Wr in this draft.

What type of Wr would help this offense more?
A big, strong, go up and get it Wr like Hakeem Butler or a smaller, catch me if you can 4.3 guy like Parris Campbell or Deebo Samuel?

Please give some reasoning as to why and please try to focus on the type of player I listed as examples rather than the specific players .

I would prefer a guy like Butler. His catch radius is huge. He breaks tackles and gains a ton of YAC. He needs some polishing, but he's said to have a good attitude.

I think we have two speed guys in Callaway and Perriman. I think a 4 WR set of Landry, Butler, Callaway, and Perriman would be hard to cover because we could effectively cover the route tree on any certain play.

Good input Vers.

I really like the idea of Butler. A guy that you can just throw the ball up and and he goes up and says "mine!"

But I also get intrigued by the idea of another 4.3 guy. That much speed is hard to cover.

I guess my concern with a guy like Butler is his speed. If he runs a 4.4 then I think he goes 1st round. If he runs in the 4.6 or 4.7 range, then how is he different than a TE.

Another consideration might be the Cleveland weather. I know it only affects a couple games a year max, but there's increased probability of bad weather come playoff time.

Sloppy mucky fields neutralize speed but size always plays

It's hard for me to answer that question at the present time. Calloway only has 4.4 speed. I know I said "only" but that's not of the elite speed type you seem to indicate. Now Perriman on the other hand has that elite speed but I believe he is on a one year deal.

So IF we re-sign Perriman I would certainly go in the Mold of a Butler type WR. It adds a dimension we lack in the WR group. It would complete the unit.

If however we lose Perriman, I think it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Whether we go with a super speed WR or a big radius, physical WR, we would only be addressing one of two needs.

Both Perriman and Calloway are speed guys.

I think we will draft a WR, but I don't think it will be all that early.

Based on Dorsey's past, I would guess that we will not look at a WR before the 3rd round.

I agree, maybe not until our second selection in round 3. The talent from 5 to 15 @WR is pretty close imo.

Also I don't think that we need to draft a #1 WR, but rather another 'option', with a different skill set.

Agree, I picked those examples because they are currently pretty closely rated overall and I don't know the deeper Wr's well enough to pick a good example.

Your score is: 31673 (GRADE: A+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 21 (PHI): Wilson, Mack, ILB, Alabama (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Wilkins, Christian, DT, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 21 (PHI): Allen, Zach, DE, Boston College (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Miller, Christian, OLB, Alabama (A+)
Round 3 Pick 28: McGary, Kaleb, OT, Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17: Austin, Blessuan, CB, Rutgers (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Slayton, Darius, WR, Auburn (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Weber, Mike, RB, Ohio State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 29: McSorley, Trace, QB, Penn State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16: McKinney, Prentice, FS, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Russell, Dontavius, DT, Auburn (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Worthington, Evan, SS, Colorado (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2020 Round 1 Pick
2021 Round 1 Pick

I was going to say 4th, but we are basically on the same page.

"the Tide got some pretty good news with the announcements that star DT Raekwon Davis and CB Trevon Diggs will both return for their seasons next fall."

https://gbnreport.com

NT Dexter Lawrence became the third Clemson junior to announce that they will be entering the 2019 draft. Lawrence had been considered to be a late first round prospect for the upcoming draft, but will ahve some explaining to do after missing the college playoffs, including the national championship game, after he failed a test for performance enhancing drugs.

https://gbnreport.com

Clemson juniors Mullen, Lamar declare … The first of several Clemson underclassmen expected to enter the upcoming draft have spoken with both CB Trayvon Mullen and ILB Tre Lamar declareing their intentions to pass on their final year of eligibility and turn pro this winter. Mullen has early second day potential for the upcoming draft, while Lamar is a later second day candidate.

https://gbnreport.com

Last Year We Were Desperate for DB's This Year Not So Much ...
Last Year We Were Desperate for a QB This Year Not So Much ...
Last Year We Were Desperate for RB's This Year Not So Much ...
Last Year We Were Desperate for OL This Year Not So Much ...
Last Year We Were Desperate for WR's This Year Not So Much ...

This Year We Are Desperate for LB's
This Year We Are Desperate for DT's

IMO These Are The 2 Positions We Should Look At Both In FA And In The Draft ... We Could Also Use Another WR Later And Another OL Later, And Another DB or 2 for Depth ...

Your score is: 31320 (GRADE: A+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17: Allen, Josh, OLB, Kentucky (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Jones, DreMont, DT, Ohio State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 16: Adams, Trey, OT, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 28: Ridley, Riley, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17: Gustin, Porter, OLB, Southern California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 7: Thompson, Jalen, FS, Washington State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 5 Pick 29: Fields, Mark, CB, Clemson (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16: Quarterman, Shaquille, ILB, Miami (FL) (A+)
Round 7 Pick 7: Blankenship, Rodrigo, K, Georgia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20: Browning, Jake, QB, Washington (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2020 Round 1 Pick
2021 Round 1 Pick

I'm a Buckeye. Still, I have concerns with D. Jones as a run defender. I think he's an exceptional 1 gap penetrating DL but if you run at him he becomes a liability.

Yes, but his pass rush skills put him ahead of bigger name run stuffing DT's imo ... because they are not every down players.

OK, this is a head scratcher for me. This team has a problem with its run defense that is glaring and your answer is to draft a guy at the position where we need to get better against the run with a player who doesn't make us better against the run?

I guess I could accept it if there weren't other options that offer more run defense AND some degree of interior pass rush. Raekown Davis, Jeffery Simmons, Rashard Lawrence and Dexter Lawrence are all better suited to fix our run problem than Jones.

I do not disagree ... I was speaking in a broader capacity.

No doubt that some will go higher, but the value of selecting a predominantly run stuffing DT, who gives you little in the way of pass rush, can be found after the first round. Most of the elite DTs' will probably be off the board by 17.

Prospects like Jeffery Simmons, who I think is a 3T with little pass rush skills ... I have a hard time drafting in the first round, at least with Dexter Lawrence, he can play the NG/NT.

I thought that Raekown Davis agreed to return to school?

In conclusion we do not disagree that we need some help next to big Lar, but I wouldn't pigeon hole us to drafting for postion, but drafting for value, as per last year, when many where calling for Barkley, Dorsey held his water (a couple of selections more then I would have) and took Nick Chubb.

Help is on its way.

Thanks for the clarity. Your mention of Davis' return to Alabama was the first I heard that. Disappointing from a draft standpoint but perhaps better for the player. The idea that many of the draft-worthy elite DTs could be gone by 17 is possible. But of course, the draft is always unpredictable.

There is one scenario where I would be more comfortable with selecting Jones. Take two DTs in this draft where the other rookie is graded with high run stopping ability.

Four Alabama juniors announced jointly this morning that they will be entering the 2019 draft including DT Quinnen Williams, OT Jonah Williams, RB Josh Jacobs and TE Irv Smith.

https://gbnreport.com

DT rounds 4-5?

--Gerald Willis III Miami Hurricanes:
Comes with a checkered past, but with high potential.

--Greg Gaines Washington Huskies:
One of the best run stuffing DL in the Draft, but offers little in way of a pass rush. Think Jamie Meder, only bigger.

Andy Isabella. Take him. I’m all in.

I don't expect Willis III to be available that late. I think I prefer Dontavius Russell to Gaines. But yes, there will be some later round guys that could help.

You bring up Willis' "checkered past", I may as well get this out there now because I will be saying this up to the time of the draft. If, as we suspect, Q. Williams, Ed Oliver, C. Wilkins are off the board when we draft at 17. I'm taking Jeffery Simmons of Miss St. I'm taking him ahead of R. Gary, D. Jones and Dexter Lawrence.

Somethings about him I will point to:
1) He is consensus top 20 player. 2) He has not had a single negative incident of any kind during his entire collegiate career. 3) It's not just the absence of bad acts he has a track record of academic success and community involvement for his time in Starkville.

JMO, but I would not take any of those prospects @17, unless one of the afore mentioned happens to fall to us @17.

Gary is a DE who would be a good pick @17

Khalen Saunders, DT, WIU and Jody Fortson Jr, WR, Valdosta State are a couple small school guys who look worth a deeper look.

I like Amani Oruwariye, CB, Penn St but 17 might have better DL available. Not sure he makes it to mid-2nd round unless he has a bad combine. Size, Savvy, and ball skills. Think he'd pair well with Ward.

My number one priority is interior DL. Oliver, Williams and Wilkins and Simmons are undoubtedly solutions to that problem. If you don't consider theses players worthy of #17 or the other group I mentioned aren't under consideration you have to be looking at an entirely different priority than I am. I'm OK with that.

Gary will be miscast if asked to play DE in the NFL. He's a 3Tech who played out of position at TSUN. He doesn't possess elite DE traits to be drafted at DE especially as high as #17, IMO. I think he has first-round talent as a DT but, I grade him below Simmons.

I don't see Simmons in the same category, ... because he has no counter moves, he has a hard time shedding blocks, if he is not shooting the gap. I don't know what you have been whatching, but I see way too much dancing with the OL.

He offers no scheme flexablity to play the 2 gap tech imo.

Imo that puts him on a plain with Jones, one offers more vs the run, and the other vs the pass.

We Need DT's and LB's !!!

I don't see any resolution for my evaluation of Simmons vs. yours. Our differing assessments of Gary attest to that. This happens all of the time with prospects. Purely on football Simmons is exactly what I think the Browns need to solve their deficiencies against the run while getting production with the interior pass rush. Of course he's not perfect but he possesses most of the traits that make a 1-gap attacking 3Tech successful. I don't feel it's an overstatement that adding Simmons takes our defense into the Ravens-type defensive territory.

I'm going to provide two links because taken together they provide an objective evaluation of the whole package that has to be judged on this player. I've made my judgment and I'm comfortable in that judgment.
Walter Football on Jeffery Simmons
Draft Analyst, two profiles in one.

IN honesty and I'm the one that started this thread. we have to see what happens mid March at FA period.. what we need to do is determine what FA's will make the best impact at the DT and LB positions and weigh that vis a vis the talent available in the draft, most draftniks I'm reading are saying it's a good draft for DLine.

Do we draft and wait the couple of years till they develop to NFL level players or do we get plug and play FA?

That's the decision