I believe you. We are scratching for wins, but I think we are much more competitive going into next year. Lot fewer distractions, no Hard Knocks, and Dorsey doesn't seem to whip up controversy. I remain encouraged and excited.
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Meder just signed with the Seahawks and Shelton has been on the Patriots all season.
shelton was benched and had a whopping 10 tackles and Meder signed a Futures/reserve contract. Noone signed him the whole season. Lets not pretend they are missed or unreplaceable
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Meder just signed with the Seahawks and Shelton has been on the Patriots all season.
shelton was benched and had a whopping 10 tackles and Meder signed a Futures/reserve contract. Noone signed him the whole season. Lets not pretend they are missed or unreplaceable
Agreed. Just pointing out that they aren’t all the way out of the league.
Meder just signed with the Seahawks and Shelton has been on the Patriots all season.
shelton was benched and had a whopping 10 tackles and Meder signed a Futures/reserve contract. Noone signed him the whole season. Lets not pretend they are missed or unreplaceable
Agreed. Just pointing out that they aren’t all the way out of the league.
I didn’t mean to imply they were. Just didn’t understand some wanting to sign them again when we can just go get upgrades
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At 49 yrs old, Wilks brings a ton of experience, over 22yrs coaching on the defensive side. As a player, Wilks was a DB and as a coach, he primarily coached the secondary.
There has been a vocal minority of critics about the Wilks hire. Not as much on this board but around the net there have been some skeptics of his hiring by the Browns.
This article from Browns Wire suggest that NFL people largely applaud what the Browns have done putting together their new staff. The article mentions the Wilks hire. I have no illusion that one article will change many minds but it does give an indication that he's respected among his peers. That speaks volumes for me.
Ok, so, there may be a very short list of people the Browns could have named for their new DC after saying Gregg Williams will not be back,
that I could get on board with, (very short list),
and This guy is not on it. NO I'm not going to be happy it's a reboot, rebuild, restart.
I'm of the opinion the Browns defensive play in 2018 was a key part of the teams success in becoming relevant into November.
So don't blank with it! Don't mess with the defense,
Oh, They already did? Well, let's see how this goes!!
WE ALL KNOW how this is going to go, we've seen reboots 11+ times before, Everybody on this message board has!
5 wins, 3 losses?? GET OUTTA HERE< He Gone! 0-10, 0-13, ehh, give it time, let things work out, stick with the plan,
Seems like priorties are skewed,
I'm Just a know nothing fan, What'areya gonna do. What can I do, the Browns, Defense under Gregg Williams, looked like the most capeable In my opinion, since Butch DAvis was Coach and that was a while ago, There are a lot of DC's who you could do worse than Gregg was doing, but let's shuffle the deck and retry again.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
I'm Just a know nothing fan, What'areya gonna do. What can I do, the Browns, Defense under Gregg Williams, looked like the most capeable In my opinion, since Butch DAvis was Coach and that was a while ago, There are a lot of DC's who you could do worse than Gregg was doing, but let's shuffle the deck and retry again.
Having talent helps, and it should pretty much all be back.
Curious to see what we end up with. Just added Chris Jones to the staff. I'm sure he has some ideas for dealing with motion having been in the CFL.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
On if he tracks defensive stats, given some of the team’s rankings are down since last year:
“We do keep track of all of those things, but we are in the top 10 in DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average), which is every situation known to man defensively. We have played the second-toughest offensive schedule in the National Football League. Not that I would be able to keep track of every number, but I have those numbers memorized.”
On the defense-adjusted value over average statistic:
“It is probably the most accurate defensively or any analytic statistic for offense, defense and special teams because it takes in everything – time on the clock, plays per yard, first down situations, second down situations, third down, red zone, two-minute, takeaways and it all booms into one. You will see that defensively, we have played the second-toughest schedule to date right now on the offenses that we have played and how well we have ranked up in there. We have to continue to fight, struggle and do what we can do.”
This article is an excellent breakdown of Wilks' defense in Carolina. I'd recommend everyone who is interested in the Browns new defensive coordinator read it.
well they may not be missed and they may be replaceable, but all I know is that last year when we had Shelton, meder, Brantley and nassib we were #7 against run and this year we were bottom 3 or 4 in the league. there is more that goes into that than the defensive front but they are a large part of it and our backups this year and coley as a starter did not do as good a job as the guys last season.
Rebuild??? You lost me there. Just because we changed coaches doesn't mean we in rebuild mode. I never have gotten that sense. I guess we differ because you think we were good on D. I think we stunk up the joint on D and that was the main reason we didn't win a couple more games.
You dont have to win every game just the next one!
This article is an excellent breakdown of Wilks' defense in Carolina. I'd recommend everyone who is interested in the Browns new defensive coordinator read it.
Sounds like his "defensive DNA" worked much better in Carolina. With less talent in Arizona, much more of his philosophy relied on sub packages. Trying to force players into scheme didn't work as well. His defense in Carolina was very intimidating to opposing QBs.
From the article:
Quote:
Williams was notorious for his fear of being beaten deep. He aimed to keep everything in front of his defense and play the "bend-but-don't-break" style. That will not be Wilks. He thrives on the aggressive approach, and it is a philosophy that the Browns coveted about the coordinator in the interview process. The defensive talent is skilled and fast in Cleveland, and the front office and Freddie Kitchens want them to be attacking in 2018.
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At 49 yrs old, Wilks brings a ton of experience, over 22yrs coaching on the defensive side. As a player, Wilks was a DB and as a coach, he primarily coached the secondary.
I like the hire...
As a former db, and as a secondary coach, maybe Wilks will have insights for Ward that will prevent the concussions (like, "keep your head up young man)". I'm worried about his longevity in the league.
This Steve Wilks/Chris Jones pairing is very interesting to me. I have no clue about what is fashionable in the world of CFL defense (outside of knowing there are some fundamental rule/game play differences) but I may start looking into it a bit more. Or perhaps there is already an article or two out referencing this topic and any potential impact on the NFL.
Do we know of any recent defensive coaches leaving the CFL for the NFL in recent years?
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
This Steve Wilks/Chris Jones pairing is very interesting to me. I have no clue about what is fashionable in the world of CFL defense (outside of knowing there are some fundamental rule/game play differences) but I may start looking into it a bit more. Or perhaps there is already an article or two out referencing this topic and any potential impact on the NFL.
Do we know of any recent defensive coaches leaving the CFL for the NFL in recent years?
Who is Chris Jones and why has his name come up with Wilks?
I think that some people may have mis-read that as "offensive".
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
This Steve Wilks/Chris Jones pairing is very interesting to me. I have no clue about what is fashionable in the world of CFL defense (outside of knowing there are some fundamental rule/game play differences) but I may start looking into it a bit more. Or perhaps there is already an article or two out referencing this topic and any potential impact on the NFL.
Do we know of any recent defensive coaches leaving the CFL for the NFL in recent years?
Who is Chris Jones and why has his name come up with Wilks?
Chris Jones ran a wide open offense in the CFL. He should be able to offer some insights into how to defense some of the wide open passing schemes today.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Avery has impressed me a lot with his progress each game he got better. He is our SAM of the future and the future is NOW!
Kirksey will be back as our Will. Schobert, athletically he can be replaced but he is so valuable as the field leader and getting all in the right position. He has been said that he actually calls out the offensive play to all prior to the snap!
This 2019 FA class is amazing but probably the least lacking is the LBs. Mosley??? Alexander??? all on the list seem to be old except for Downey...After watching him more closely he just took plays off. And he is not a good LB he is a good pass rusher and would be a DE not LB that was in a 3-4 scheme.
What is an amazing group is...Safety...I say for us to load up...#4 on the list is Landon Collins...of Giants? if so he is freaking good. Of course Earl Thomas but he is up there in age and was injured a lot.
the golden Badger is a FA...don't know #3 Lamarcus Joyner.
But just for the Ravens and Lamar, load up on these safeties...Play them at LB along with Peppers. Kindred can go and Randall Degressed and did not Progressed I was very disappointed in him the last few games.
So I think he can be replaced as the Starter by FA...but keep him.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
This Steve Wilks/Chris Jones pairing is very interesting to me. I have no clue about what is fashionable in the world of CFL defense (outside of knowing there are some fundamental rule/game play differences) but I may start looking into it a bit more. Or perhaps there is already an article or two out referencing this topic and any potential impact on the NFL.
Do we know of any recent defensive coaches leaving the CFL for the NFL in recent years?
The Chris Jones addition is an interesting bend in things. He is likely going to be giving us all sorts of insight on tactics & strategies used in the CFL to defend high-powered, spread, wide-open offenses. Add this to the how Carolina's defense used to be and with Dorsey picking shopping for talent for that, and I'm having some very high hopes and expectations for this defense in 2019.
I've already said it elsewhere before the season ended, but I'm re-stating it now that we're seeing the staff take shape: The Browns will be 12-4 next season.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Bills coach Sean McDermott joked at the Senior Bowl this week about Browns coach Freddie Kitchens landing two of McDermott’s top Panthers defensive assistants in Steve Wilks and Al Holcomb.
“I’m jealous,’’ McDermott kidded to cleveland.com. “They’ve got basically my whole staff out there expect for my (then) d-line coach (Eric Washington). Freddie did a good job of hiring good coaches. Part of being successful is hiring the right coaches and in Steve and Al he’s got two young, good coaches that will do a really good job for him.’’
Wilks coached defensive backs under McDermott and was promoted to coordinator in 2017 when McDermott left to take the Bills' top job. McDermott, according to Seth Wickersham’s piece on ESPN.com, was also the 4-1 favorite of the Browns’ brass to become head coach in 2016, but Jimmy Haslam went rogue and hired Hue Jackson instead.
Holcomb was McDermott’s linebackers coach in Carolina, and will serve that role here as well as run game coordinator.
After one season as Panthers coordinator in 2017 -- during which the Panthers finished seventh in the NFL in total defense (317.1 ypg), third in sacks (50), and third in run defense (88.1 ypg) — Wilks was hired as head coach of the Cardinals, but was one-and-done after going 3-13.
“He’s a good person No. 1, a guy who understands big-picture perspective as it relates to playing the game,’’ McDermott said. “Certainly I’m sure he’s a better coach this year even than he was last year just coming off the head coach experience.
“Coach Wilks really embraces that growth mindset and trying to learn and grow every day so he’s a good fundamental teacher. He understands the passing game which is important when you coach as a defensive coordinator and also as a secondary coach like he has, so he’s one of the top-notch coaches in our business.”
He believes Wilks will have a profound impact on defensive backs such as Pro Bowl corner Denzel Ward because of his experience coaching the secondary.
“I couldn’t recommend a guy higher than Coach Wilks in this case,’’ said McDermott.
Bills GM Brandon Beane, who was Panthers Director of Football Operations and then assistant GM when Wilks was there, raved about him.
“He’s going to bring an energy,’’ said Beane. “There’s going to be an edge to the defense. They’re going to play fast, they’re going to play tough and he’ll be aggressive at times. He’s not going to be one of those guys that every week is just going to pin his ears back. But if he sees a chance, he’ll attack. He is so smart and his players will respect him.’’
Beane noted that Wilks will be great for the Browns’ young defenders such as Myles Garrett, who’s pored over film of Panthers’ nine-time Pro Bowler Julius Peppers, and Ward.
“Steve’s been around some great players,’’ said Beane. “He’ll play to their strengths and he believes, like most of us, that a good pass rush will help. So Myles Garrett, his play is obviously going to affect Denzel Ward’s play and the rest of that secondary.
"Steve will find different ways to get Myles to the quarterback, and Cleveland got a good man and a heck of a football coach and I think he’s going to do wonders.’’
The Panthers hired Wilks as DB coach in 2012 after he spent three years with the Bears and three with the Chargers in that capacity. He was assistant head coach of the Chargers in 2011.
“The first time I saw him teach, on the field, I’m like ‘man, this guy’s good’ and I started getting to know him a little bit more and in the college season, I’d go with him a lot to work out some of these DBs that were in the draft, so we talked a lot of philosophy, obviously talked about life and just seeing him teach these kids on the board and have them recall it was something,’’ said Beane.
One thing Beane loved about Wilks is that he took an interest in every player they worked out.
“If Steve saw a guy doing something wrong, after the workout was over, he’d say ‘hey,’ and he’d start teaching him,’’ said Beane. “He’s a teacher at heart and he really cared about the individual.
“I really thought, ‘man, this guy is really trying to promote the game even if the guy goes and plays for the Atlanta Falcons.' ... I’d get on him sometimes and say, ‘hey don’t coach him up too much just in case.’ I think the fans will be really impressed.”
The Panthers finished in the top 10 in total defense in five of Wilks’ six seasons and ranked second in the NFL with 51 interceptions between 2015-17. They advanced to the playoffs four times. During Wilks’ five seasons as the secondary coach (2012-16), Carolina ranked fourth in the NFL with 86 interceptions.
In Cleveland, he takes over a defense that finished second in the NFL with 31 takeaways, but 30th overall, 28th against the run and 21st in points allowed.
“His players will go to war with him,’’ said Beane. “He’s one of the greatest that I’ve ever been around. He has a command and a presence, and when he stands in front of that defense, I’m telling you, (from) meeting one, those guys are going to be like ‘I can play for this guy. I love this guy.’'
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
J/c - Randall needs to be extended, he has been excellent and I love his attitude. Kindred is a great rotational guy for where he was drafted. Peppers has taken the starting role but Kindred is a very decent backup.
J/c - Randall needs to be extended, he has been excellent and I love his attitude. Kindred is a great rotational guy for where he was drafted. Peppers has taken the starting role but Kindred is a very decent backup.
Agreed. He is only 26, played well last year and it would be great to extend him. He's a player I thought was a great pick up via trade/FA and it was awesome to see him transition seemlessly from CB to FS, a position he played in college.
I like Kindred as a backup as well.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
J/c - Randall needs to be extended, he has been excellent and I love his attitude. Kindred is a great rotational guy for where he was drafted. Peppers has taken the starting role but Kindred is a very decent backup.
J/c - Randall needs to be extended, he has been excellent and I love his attitude. Kindred is a great rotational guy for where he was drafted. Peppers has taken the starting role but Kindred is a very decent backup.
Agreed. He is only 26, played well last year and it would be great to extend him. He's a player I thought was a great pick up via trade/FA and it was awesome to see him transition seemlessly from CB to FS, a position he played in college.
I like Kindred as a backup as well.
His interception-to-Hue handoff is a top 5 play of the year.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Rebuild??? You lost me there. Just because we changed coaches doesn't mean we in rebuild mode. I never have gotten that sense. I guess we differ because you think we were good on D. I think we stunk up the joint on D and that was the main reason we didn't win a couple more games.
and that had nothing to do with our DC being forced to take over as our head coach? Our D was doing pretty damned good up until that event. But yeah, Gregg Willimas SUCKS. SO glad he's gone. What a bum. Will be nice having a guy at DC with so little experience at the job.
Greg Williams was the HC that finally broke the losing mentality in Cleveland and for that, we fired him and fans despise him and are glad he's gone... Ironic.
Rebuild??? You lost me there. Just because we changed coaches doesn't mean we in rebuild mode. I never have gotten that sense. I guess we differ because you think we were good on D. I think we stunk up the joint on D and that was the main reason we didn't win a couple more games.
and that had nothing to do with our DC being forced to take over as our head coach? Our D was doing pretty damned good up until that event. But yeah, Gregg Willimas SUCKS. SO glad he's gone. What a bum. Will be nice having a guy at DC with so little experience at the job.
Greg Williams was the HC that finally broke the losing mentality in Cleveland and for that, we fired him and fans despise him and are glad he's gone... Ironic.
After reading THIS I'm glad Williams isn't our HC. Gotta pay for The Athletic, but it's a nice article...
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