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Tim Rattay is also available and we were going to bring him in last season.

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LOL... One sure way to get Toad back and posting would be to sign Rattay...


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I would take Rattay over Anderson.

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LOL, yeah, that might work.

I'd take Rattay over Anderson also. IMO


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nat dorsey got cut?

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And while we're at it, lets bring in the just cut Antonio Pittman, Go Bucks!

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Shoot Pittman likes to hit people. He would be a good fit to spell Jamal for a while. We should go for it! Can't hurt.


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the FO is not going after any other RB's...

they want Lewis to be the FOR SURE starter, getting 80% of the carries it seems like... And Savage and Romeo are in love w/ Wright for whatever reason, I guess cuz they say he is smart, and then they got Harrison who is suppose to be their version of Willie Parker...

but in all honestly though, we all may like a particular back that we think would do well behind this offensive line... but with the offensive line we have now, I think almost anyone could do well behind, so their probably willing to give the guys they have a shot since they know the playbook especially..

after this year.. after splitting carries.. after getting opportunities.. then we will see the RB shuffle..


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MOURG and the others throwing a fit over this...

i think you're blowing the moves our of proportion...we have a PS for a reason...to develop young talent...Barclay, Purcell, Pittman, Tippytoe, Minter...you honestly think othere teams are out there waiting to raid the Browns' PS?...

addressing the vet keepers...those guys aren't PS guys, and if released would not likely return...there's a lot of pride involved, and if you write off a declining starter-caliber player in favor of a 3rd string whatever, that's a slap in the face...not the same as being replaced with a guy capable of playing better than the vet immediately, which they understand...

and i'm sure we could care less who's feelings are hurt, but it applies to performance, too...you're talking about tossing a guy that may still have the ability to start on several teams for maybe 10 weeks (after rehabbing) in favor of a kid that you'd hope would never see the field this season...

as for the $ issue, there is none...we're under the cap, and will be for the forseeable future...the only one that has anything to gain by cutting these salaries right now is Lerner...are you complaining b/c he needs a little xtra spending $?...

overall, i look at it like this...we've kept the guys that would help the MOST...doesn't mean that we've decided the others have no future with us...if there's a significant injury (IR) to one of the starters, the PS player that we were so 'stupid' to release gets put right back on the roster, anyhow... ...


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Matua outplayed Sowells in camp and preseason but Sowells stayed while Matua got the boot. I have a problem with that move because Sowells did nothing to earn his spot other than to be drafted.

Baba was the most improved player on the team and the only defensive linemen that held his ground play after play and showed the burst to split the double. He outplayed guys that were kept.

Perry and kenny wright did nothing but were given roster spots.

Cribbs has knocked himself out more than once returning kicks and having Barclay there in my opinion would have been the smarter move.

I just think these are moves that hurt you for the future. Instead of working with guys that have a lot of upside you are taking guys with the same or even less ability simply because they are vets and those vets arent gonna get any better.

BTW for those interested, Nat Dorsey had a very good camp and preseason starting the last game at RT. He will stay over Butler even when Tucker returns.

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I don't think Barclay is eligible for the PS.

He was on it last year wasn't he?

If so....forget that idea.


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MOURG...

i could be wrong, b/c i think you know more about linemen than me, but i think that Sowells was kept for a combination of versatility (LG and RG backup), as well as having a higher ceiling...from the reports i've read, Sowells problem is technique, which can be developed, whereas Matua is and always will be a slower mauler...

i don't think Baba's much below Kelley...improved more, yes...but he's eligible for PS, and Kelley isn't...that simple, IMO...let him improve another year, and he makes the 08 squad...

i can understand KWright...he's got experience, which we severely lack in that unit...i do agree about Perry...maybe the new Unck? (STs only)...

i don't think the moves hurt the uture, b/c the PS still practices with the team(hence the name )...they stay in the system, learn and improve along with the regular roster...

and once again with the vets...they may not get better, whereas these 50-60th guys will, but they're heads and shoulders ahead RIGHT NOW...

PEEN...

guys are eligible for PS for 3 years, provided they haven't been active for 9 games...Barclay IS eligible...


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Gots go with Mourg on this one .. Not crazy about some of the cuts .. I just hope Barclay and Steptoe make the PS.... If any thing happens to Cribs were in deep !





Some of the guys that we cut yesterday will go on PS... some will go away for good.. Barclay,,, not sure if he's eligible,, DORSEY is NOT eligible to the PS at all... Steptoe, Purcells, Pittman,, yes,, they are eligible without a doubt..

And that's the point, you are worred about Cribbs going down, but Water, you haven't even given the team a chance to stock the PS to see how it shakes out.. Give them a few days to see what happens..

For all we know, Phil has his eye on someone else from another team,, we don't know.. Give it a few days..


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Baba was the most improved player on the team and the only defensive linemen that held his ground play after play and showed the burst to split the double. He outplayed guys that were kept.




I disagree, Mourg. Against the Bears, it stuck out to me that Baba made a lot of tackles...3 or 4 yards down the field because he was blown off the line. Was that all the time? No. But, I saw it way more than I should have for a guy who's supposed to just eat up blockers and hold his position.


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And while we're at it, lets bring in the just cut Antonio Pittman, Go Bucks!

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Dave Lawrence, of NewOrleansSaints.com, reports the New Orleans Saints have waived RB Antonio Pittman from the team.




Shoot Pittman likes to hit people. He would be a good fit to spell Jamal for a while. We should go for it! Can't hurt.




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j/k, but I did see in Today's newspaper down here that Troy Smith survived the cuts.

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And to echo someone else's statement, I really do think we're going to miss Unck this year on ST. It will be interesting to see who is going to be our wedge breaker. If Short was healthy, I have a feeling we'd keep him around.


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What happens if Cribbs happens to go down on the opening kickoff? We just lost our punt and kick off returner for the entire game. Do we have anyone left o that is capable of returning punts and kicks?

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What happens if Cribbs happens to go down on the opening kickoff? We just lost our punt and kick off returner for the entire game. Do we have anyone left o that is capable of returning punts and kicks?




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OO i forgot that he was still alive lol. Man how the hell did he get a roster spot?

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I don't think Barclay is eligible for the PS.

He was on it last year wasn't he?

If so....forget that idea.




Barclay CAN and most likely WILL go to the PS...

3 years allowed...


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What happens if Cribbs happens to go down on the opening kickoff? We just lost our punt and kick off returner for the entire game. Do we have anyone left o that is capable of returning punts and kicks?




Of course...C'mon...

Wright RB goes to kickoffs...

Jones SS goes to punts...


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Also Matua and Baba will go PS way...

Purcell and Pittman also...

Prolly one of the Wide-outs...

WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM????????????????

These guys are INEXPERIENCED...Why waste roster spots???

NOONE will claim any of em' off our PS...U know that...

We claimed Harris from Pitt LATE last year and where is he???...RELEASED...But I'd bet HE goes PS also...


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Good catch...

Options are always there...Corners and RB's in particular...


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"What agenda crap."

You disdain for RAC n Savage.

and I'll bank that coolaid remark.
Kenny Wright...is that like your acorn for a blind squirrel.

yeah TW, Baxter and McG should all have been cut All our veteran leaders...and you are dissing RAC for keeping them here...lol
But insult my opinion as it can't be any good cause I'm a positive onlooker. You imitators of football knowledge better get a new way to debate me. Cause I ain't taking you or anyones crap anymore about my optimistic outlook. Try debating with actual football points. But I consider you a loser when your only claim in debate is that I'm positive.

The simple fact that you cannot see Roster value in those 3 for 07 is proof of point you have no right and leg to stand on getting down on RAC for these cuts. AGENDA is what it is...when you simply don't make sense all for the CAUSE.

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Also...The one noone's catching...

Ken Dorsey...

MY opinion of this move is this...

We KEEP Dorsey and u most likely make Quinn #2 REAL QUICKLY...It's no secret we don't want Dorsey runnin' this Offense for very long...

We keep Anderson and there's your #2...Quinn sits at 3 for a short period of time...

I'd much rather have the Dorsey scenario...Make him #2 for a short period and if need be he can run this O for 1 or 2 games if Frye is down...Then comes QUINN...

I see exactly what they did here...Releasing Dorsey IMO is a slam dunk they feel Quinn is NOT YET READY...


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I see exactly what they did here...Releasing Dorsey IMO is a slam dunk they feel Quinn is NOT YET READY...




Or it could be exactly as Savage said and they kept the three QBs who stood the best chance of winning on the field. Every time one of those guys steps on the field they are one unlucky hit from being replaced. RAC & Savage know that. They kept the three guys that run the offense most effectively.


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Tab you couldnt handle a debate so u throw out insults and then u cry. Advice go to the store and get one of those supersized tampons because you are pmsing all over this debate.

I have praised a lot of Savages decisions and pointed out bad ones. You seem to think that he craps golden nuggets. Sorry but he makes bad decisions just like anyone else. Now as for RAC well RAC is a moron without the balls to stand up to Savage when Phil fired his O staff and hired one of his own btw great move by savage. Now u can argue debate or call me a low life SOB but please quit the whinning and crying take a freaking midol or something.

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"Matua outplayed Sowells in camp and preseason but Sowells stayed while Matua got the boot. I have a problem with that move because Sowells did nothing to earn his spot other than to be drafted."

You have a big problem...you actually think your little flashes of observations actually make you a better Evaluator than our entire Coaching staff who have the advantages to see these players every day in practice and in breaking down of film. But you know better and you believe it. Matua played better...when and where. Against who? Sure he's a stud against the guys who don't play anymore in the NFL...like him.

So Sowells is still on the team cause he's a draft pick...you mean like Perkins is...oh thats right we cut his Ass. Ummm you mean like Speagle? We have no problems cutting players that we deem as not worthy to stay on and upgrade our team.

So cause you got a hotty for an undrafted USC player that you pimped. All of a sudden he's better than Sowells.
Sowells has better footwork, strength, Technical skills than Matua its not even a close call. Sowells or Matua. And to boot as a depth guy Sowells could play OT as well as OG which gives added depth to his services. Sowells was lost in the first Pre-Season game but I saw him make tremendous strides and improvements as the Pre-season went on. Matua - yeah I saw him nursing injuries.

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Tab you couldnt handle a debate so u throw out insults and then u cry. Advice go to the store and get one of those supersized tampons because you are pmsing all over this debate.

I have praised a lot of Savages decisions and pointed out bad ones. You seem to think that he craps golden nuggets. Sorry but he makes bad decisions just like anyone else. Now as for RAC well RAC is a moron without the balls to stand up to Savage when Phil fired his O staff and hired one of his own btw great move by savage. Now u can argue debate or call me a low life SOB but please quit the whinning and crying take a freaking midol or something.




I honestly don't get this whole post.

Your the one crying because we cut Barclay, and the only position Barclay would've fit right now is KR/PR which is currently locked by Cribbs. What's the big deal?

And if it's not just Barclay you are crying about, why? Alot of these guys that we cut were inexperienced and/or wouldn't help us win a whole lot..

I really don't understand what your crying about...

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http://titans.scout.com/a.z?s=120&p=2&c=674512

These cuts are very interesting, especially seeing how many former Browns are now former Other Teamers Like, oh, say, Quincy Morgan getting cut from the Broncos. Guess no one else sees anything in him either, huh?


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I disagreed with several decisions made on cut day because players that didnt do anything were given free rides. I mean Phil wants to pay baxter 30 mil to be a backup safety and everyone seems to be ok with that. Kenny Wright couldnt cover a 2 legged dog but earns a roster spot and u are ok with that. Sowells sucks but because he was a 4th rounder he stays and you guys are ok with that. Forget it. Go hold tabs hand in the bathroom I am done with this debate.

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Good lord Mour,, what happens if Frye, Anderson and Quinn go over to Dorseys house for a cook out tomorrow and the Gas Grill blows up killing all of them at once....

Geez,,

What the heck to you think happens... Phil goes out and gets someone that's been cut, or someone from the Browns PS. (which you haven't allowed time to be posted yet) RAC and his men coach them up and get them in the game as quickly as possible...That's what happens! That takes care of the games in the future..

For the game they are in, someone else has to step up to fill Cribbs shoes for that game... Don't tell me you haven't heard of such a thing before. It's not like something like that hasn't happened in the past.


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Not taking sides here , or getting in the middle of a drama Queen shoot out ( lo ) , but I think the point that Mourg. is trying to make is >>> In his eyes there are players on the 53 list that are a waste of space and $$$$$ compared to some we let walk ; and it has nothing to do with the Practice Squad .. Just one Dawg's opinion ! .. We will find out as as the season unfolds !

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I mean Phil wants to pay baxter 30 mil to be a backup safety and everyone seems to be ok with that




You act like it's Baxter's fault that he is a 30 Mil backup...Can you say unlucky injuries?

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Kenny Wright couldnt cover a 2 legged dog but earns a roster spot and u are ok with that.




I didn't like that decision either, but for the most part he is a veteran out there in a young secondary.

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Sowells sucks but because he was a 4th rounder he stays and you guys are ok with that.




And your basing that Sowells "sucks" on what...4 Preseason games?

Get a grip.

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If one scans the Browns roster one might notice that we have a relatively young team and a few dinosaurs.

When I first learned that guys like K Wright, Baxter, McG, & Adams made the cut I was pretty shocked. Taking Mour's point, these guys really have zero upside...two are injured and old...two are bad and old. BUT, they ARE experienced and we do not have much of that. I won't be surprised if these guys are regularly inactive on gameday.

Taking Tab's point, the coaches see these guys better and more often than we do...so they must know something we don't...so it's all good...even when we get pissed at eachother every now and then.

The young guys who were released will not likley get picked up - except for Barclay - and some others who looked good are hurt - Hamilton, Parker. We will likely see these guys on PS and maybe on the team later on.

Some matches I thought would come out different, a few that were what I expected - but others maybe did not - and a question:

I would have kept K Dorsey over Anderson - this looks like an excuse to NOT play Quinn...and I don't like that line of thinking;

I can't believe Baxter did not go on IR...same with McG. I hope being short these two able-bodied roster spots doesn't bite us in the butt...there are still huge IFs as to whether these guys can play this year at all. If Baxter comes back only as a corner, this was a bad move. If as a safety, maybe...a big maybe...this was an ok move. This is veteran respect gone awry IMO;

Harrison is better than Barclay and does more...Cribbs already has Barclay's job(s) and also does more. I like Barclay...but I like Andrew Hoffman too. Ironic that Barclay's biggest play was because of Harrison's block;

Sowells was better than Matua without a doubt;

An injured D Minter is a better bet than an injured Baxter;

Did Griffin really outshine Clifton Smith? I'm not so sure about that one;

N Dorsey DID look good to me...I agree that Butler may be the one to go when Tucker returns...he's only viable for RT...and Lord knows, we've got THAT position covered;

The explanation that Perry was ill - or something to that effect - helped me understand why they kept him. I though he did ok last year when thrown in the fire. Can you say versatile?

I get Purcell and Pittman twisted around in my head...but...the stockier of the two looked good to me;

I like Kelley...but I'm not sure why;

I think T Wilson will be okay and I know why I think that...it's because I desperately want it to be true;

That's all I can think of...for now.

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I find it funny how some of us. (I do it myself on occasion) think we have more knowledge of the players than RAC and Savage do. They see these guys everyday. If someone got cut I'm sure it's because they feel someone else could help the team more in the long run.

I was surprised by some of the names on the list also but at no point did I think I knew something they didn't. Some people need to get a grip. If you knew as much about player personnel as they did you wouldn't be on a message board talking about it you would be next to them helping with the decisions.

It is possible some of the cuts will turn out to be mistakes. Hell we all make mistakes. Nobody is perfect. (although some like to think they are) How about we let the season play out and see how the guys left on the team play this year. We can also see how many of them make the PS and still have a chance to contribute in the future. As for the rest if they are any good then they will contribute somewhere else and you can tell us how much of a genius you are. (Note to the refs: the word Genius is in no way meant as a derogative term)

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My take on the cuts.... Opinions?

RB Chris Barclay- Tough call between him and Harrison. I personally thought Barclay was a more effective change of pace prospect than Harrison. TOSS UP

OL Andrew Hoffman Showed he could be equally bad on offense as he was on defense GOOD CALL

TE Ryan Krause Made some nice catches in pre-season but we went with the better clocker(dinkins) as the 3rd TE GOOD CALL

OL Cliff Louis Didn't see him do alot...either bad or good. TOSS UP

WR Maurice Mann Showed alot of effort and I hope we keep him on the PS but never really dominated against the 3rd stringers he played against GOOD CALL

OL Fred Matua I was rooting for him. Shows nice power but is slow. REEEALLY slow. In the toss up of him vs Sowells, Sowells is more agile and has more upside. GOOD CALL

DB DeMario Minter Two years in and I still haven't seen him play. Time to cut off the dead wood GOOD CALL

DL Babatunde Oshinowo Got critiqued for not being stout enough for a NT but always seemed to find a way to pressure the QB when he was in ...hmm...sounds like a DE prospect to me BAD CALL

DL Chase Pittman I thought he was Simon Fraser part II. Liked his hustle. BAD CALL

OL Brent Pousson Who? GOOD CALL

DL Melila Purcell Too small for a DE in our 3-4....we're already stocked with LB. GOOD CALL

WR Steve Sanders Another effort guy. Looked nice over the middle of the field but struggled to get seperation on anything downfield GOOD CALL

LB Clifton Smith Played some nice ball. I woulda kept him over McMillan BAD CALL

OL Rob Smith He's weak. Period. GOOD CALL

WR Syndric Steptoe Thoguht he had potential and some nice quickness. BAD CALL

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QB Ken Dorsey Worst call of the cuts. DA is horrible and needed to go. At least Dorsey had a brain. BAD BAD BAD CALL

Waived-Injured

DB Justin Hamilton This one shocked me. Kid was a feel good story from last year... Keeping Adams but ditching Hamilton? BAD CALL

DB Jeremy LeSueur Horrible...can;t hit, can;t cover. GOOD CALL

DL J'Vonne Parker Big on body, low on ability. Kelley is far better. GOOD CALL

LB Jason Short Its a shame due to his rep and playing style...but Special teamers need to be able to be backups as well. GOOD CALL

Injured-Reserve

LB Mason Unck Didn;t know he got hurt bad enough for the season...this will actually hurt us a bit I think on ST.

Reserve-Suspended

OL Ryan Tucker

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And here are my Practice Squad calls...lol...

MANY of whom many are screamin' about are gonna end up right back in Berea...

Let's cover ELIGIBILTY first...

The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s)
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1) BARCLAY
2) Minter???...Injuries killed this talent...Damn it...
3) Oshinowo
4) Pittman (WE WILL NOT LET DLINEMEN GO SO EASY)
5) Purcell
6) Rob Smith (They've said he's looked decent)
7&8) TWO of these THREE...

A) Matua
B) Steptoe
C) Sanders

See how nicely it all works out...lol

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My take on the cuts.... Opinions?

RB Chris Barclay- Tough call between him and Harrison. I personally thought Barclay was a more effective change of pace prospect than Harrison. TOSS UP

OL Andrew Hoffman Showed he could be equally bad on offense as he was on defense GOOD CALL

TE Ryan Krause Made some nice catches in pre-season but we went with the better clocker(dinkins) as the 3rd TE GOOD CALL

OL Cliff Louis Didn't see him do alot...either bad or good. TOSS UP

WR Maurice Mann Showed alot of effort and I hope we keep him on the PS but never really dominated against the 3rd stringers he played against GOOD CALL

OL Fred Matua I was rooting for him. Shows nice power but is slow. REEEALLY slow. In the toss up of him vs Sowells, Sowells is more agile and has more upside. GOOD CALL

DB DeMario Minter Two years in and I still haven't seen him play. Time to cut off the dead wood GOOD CALL

DL Babatunde Oshinowo Got critiqued for not being stout enough for a NT but always seemed to find a way to pressure the QB when he was in ...hmm...sounds like a DE prospect to me BAD CALL

DL Chase Pittman I thought he was Simon Fraser part II. Liked his hustle. BAD CALL

OL Brent Pousson Who? GOOD CALL

DL Melila Purcell Too small for a DE in our 3-4....we're already stocked with LB. GOOD CALL

WR Steve Sanders Another effort guy. Looked nice over the middle of the field but struggled to get seperation on anything downfield GOOD CALL

LB Clifton Smith Played some nice ball. I woulda kept him over McMillan BAD CALL

OL Rob Smith He's weak. Period. GOOD CALL

WR Syndric Steptoe Thoguht he had potential and some nice quickness. BAD CALL

Terminated-Vested Veteran

QB Ken Dorsey Worst call of the cuts. DA is horrible and needed to go. At least Dorsey had a brain. BAD BAD BAD CALL

Waived-Injured

DB Justin Hamilton This one shocked me. Kid was a feel good story from last year... Keeping Adams but ditching Hamilton? BAD CALL

DB Jeremy LeSueur Horrible...can;t hit, can;t cover. GOOD CALL

DL J'Vonne Parker Big on body, low on ability. Kelley is far better. GOOD CALL

LB Jason Short Its a shame due to his rep and playing style...but Special teamers need to be able to be backups as well. GOOD CALL

Injured-Reserve

LB Mason Unck Didn;t know he got hurt bad enough for the season...this will actually hurt us a bit I think on ST.

Reserve-Suspended

OL Ryan Tucker




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are you sure Matua wasn't active for more than 9 games already?...


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I am aware of that Water... and I don't have any problem with Mour whatsoever.. I just think that NOW is not the time to say someone made a mistake when the painting hasn't been finished..

If you walked in on a doctor in the middle of an operation, you would wonder what the heck was going on,

Well, we haven't seen what Phil has in mind for the PS and we don't know all the thinking on various guys...

For all any of us know is that it would cost more against the cap to cut McGinnist or Baxter,, so it could have been a money decision... Mour thinks it's because RAC and McGinnist are best friends and the same is true between Baxter and Phil,,,,,,

I gotta tell you, I don't think any of those 4 guys are stupid enough to let friendship get in the way of a decision.....

So let's just let it sit until we see the PS and any other moves that may come along.


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