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Good thinking Peen... If you are going to copy something, make sure that something is worthy... Love him or hate him, Belichick has been very successful....

More thoughts relative to Stanton:

If TT stays or an older guy like Fitz came here, we'd have even less need for Stanton...and the Baker-connection would have to be downright exceptional to keep him on the 53.

If we get a younger guy like Simien or White as #2 (as you mentioned), then keeping a vet like Stanton makes sense and requires less of a Baker-connection - at least for another year or two. Stanton mentors Baker and teaches the other QB how to be a backup...which has some merit as I don't think it's as easy as 'holding the clipboard'.

I could be wildly over or under valuing Stanton here. But I'm more 'into' the thought of drafting a future backup THIS year...or not. I like the idea in general. But for 2019...give me Simien/White/Keenum as #2 and keep Stanton for another season. JMO

One thing I think needs to be considered into all of this is the CBA. Coaches are limited to the time they can spend with the players under the collective bargaining agreement. Players are not limited to the time they can work with other players.

Yup.
Eventually, however, there is a point of diminishing returns, at which time it will no longer make sense to use a roster spot on a player-coach.

Ideally, now is that time... or, at the end of this coming summer, anyway. Worst case, at the end of Summer 2020.

I'd think that we'll keep Stanton around through the summer and into camp. If Baker has a good enough grasp of things that he doesn't need extra help on a regular basis, or if the amount of time he is leaning on Stanton decreases significantly, then Stanton probably gets released.

If we get to that point and they feel that Stanton is still a good safety net for Baker, then we'll keep him as the #3. I think that this coming season will be much less of a tryout for most of the roster, so we'll be a little more comfortable carrying three QB's.

Yeah, earlier in the thread I brought up those exact same points to a degree.

I think that a lot of you are overestimating just what a backup QB can and does do.

Stanton is a fine #2. He's not a world beater, but he can make some plays and run an offense. That's about all you can ask of a backup.

Look at the backup QBs who had to play this year:

Top rated as far as yardage .....

Nick Mullens
Nick Foles
CJ Beathard
Brock Osweiller
Jeff Driscoll
Cody Kessler
Blaine Gabbert
Josh Johnson
Josh McCown
Chase Daniel
Derek Anderson
Sam Bradford
Nathan Peterman
Kyle Allen
Matt Barkley
DeSone Kizer .......

With the exception of Foles, these guys are pure backups. Many are veterans who have some quality their team likes ..... usually experience and an ability to run the team's offense, if called upon. Stanton fits that role well. We could hope we get lucky with a young QB, and grab a Driscoll, or a Mullens .... but how many games did those guys win for their teams in relief of the starting QBs?

For most teams, it's the starter, or it's a mess. At least Stanton knows how to get everyone lined up right, can run the offense, and knows where everyone should be on time. He has to know how to change plays, and how to set up the run game at the LOS. Stanton can do these things, and he also, somehow, or maybe by virtue of knowing the offense well, has a 11-6 record when he starts. The 2017 Cardinals had an 8-8 record. They started Carson Palmer, Blaine Gabbert, and Drew Stanton. Guess which one had the best record, at 3-1? Yep. Palmer went 3-4, and Gabbert went 2-3. Stanton's stats stunk, but he understands how to run the team, and offense, That's really what you want out of your backup.

Not much better than me. We MUST draft a young guy to groom as a backup or sign a REAL vet. If Baker goes down for the season in the second game we could very easily go 1-15. I am very shocked that anybody with an IQ in double digits can't see that.

With Todd Monken hired, he may be interested in Fitz as a B/U

I want game-sense, that feel for the flow of the game. Lose some battles, but win this war today. Our backup(s) should be well off if we surround them with talent upgrades. I think Stantonhas it, but we need a younger one, not TT perhaps. I am going with Dorsey.

While Mayfield is progressing nicely, I think another year with him on the sidelines would be beneficial. While he is not starter quality, I think he would be alright as the back up if needed. I would like to see them bring in another veteran back up just in case though.

As for Taylor, I'm sure he wants to start, but he was payed well to be the back up. It also extended his time in the league and by not playing, his body was preserved also. He can make quite a living for himself as a back up, some of these guys stay in the league longer than starters do.

I stopped right here.

I think his post might have been poorly worded, and that he was saying that another year of Stanton on the sideline would benefit Baker.

I was talking about Stanton on the sidelines.

My apologies, I read it differently.

Ya didn't really think he meant baker, did ya?

It's not like he's Throw Long....

Hey, you can’t predict these things.

This is what I think we will do... staton at the two spot and draft a qb... I love baker and think he's hear for the long haul... but taking a I'd round qb to develop as a back up or trade bait I see smart business....

I see that, I just don't think it really matters.. You are ptrtty7 much screwed.

IMO, you need a backup QB who can come in and win you a game if your 1st string QB has a concussion or ankle or hammy that keeps him out for a week or two. If its week 14 and we are 8-5, and Baker is in concussion protocol for a week, I'd feel a lot better about our chances with Tyrod Taylor starting against Cinci than Stanton. You need a guy to get you to 9-5. I get that if your QB is down for the rest of the season then your season is likely over. But for that one or maybe even two games you need someone to have a shot at winning, I say you need better than Stanton.

Tyrod isn't coming back here. What other QB similar in ability is going to come and be a backup?

One other thing about the backup QB: As we saw with Baker, they get almost no 1st team reps, in preseason, or in the weekly game prep in the regular season. A guy like Stanton knows what to do on the field. He can run the offense.

It doesn't have to be Tyrod, but if he gets no opportunities as a starter, I think he'd be worth a good backup salary ($5-6M), because Mayfield's still on his rookie deal. Others have mentioned Fitz or Bridgewater or Keenum - all preferable to Stanton, IMO. You have mentioned Stanton being able to "run the offense", but I don't know what that is based on. It hasn't been observed in his time here. But even if he can "run the offense", I think we should set the bar a bit higher. Can he win a game if we need to play him?

Bridgewater looks to be done, or close to it.

Keenum is still under contract to the Broncos, and The Broncos would take a good sized hit if they dump him. They would save money, but they would also be dealing with a $10 million hit if they dumped him.

Of your suggestions, Fitz is the most likely, but does he want to sit, or does he want to compete for a starting gig?

He is a list of the QB's set to be free agents....some are RFA.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/

That's an inspiring list .....

Makes Stanton look almost decent.

McCown.

Kind of why I am saying maybe keep Stanton and draft a QB fairly high to develop. Not to take over for Baker, maybe to use as a chip in a few years. There will be better vet QBs to hit the market in the next few years to fill the role of quality vet back-up.

When I say fairly high, maybe 4th or 5th round. Dorsey seems to have a fairly good eye for QB talent.



Think back over the years, how many really good back-up QB's did we have?

Even over all teams, not many super vet back-up's. Maybe Earl Morrow and that was 40 years ago. I guess one could say Steve Young with the niners, but not many considered him a back-up. He just ended up in that role.

A back-up QB needs to have a run game behind him. None are going to carry the day with their arm for very long. If the team can pound it enough, and the QB can throw it just enough, you have a chance to stay in games.

Think Charlie Frye. He was a back-up QB even if we had him starting.

No it doesn’t. I don’t think people realize how bad Stanton is.

I don't think you realize that if a QB like baker goes down, you are pretty much screwed no matter who you have at back-up money.

Who on that list I provided gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling?

Sure, if we can keep TT, do that. I doubt we can.

I am not saying we don't do better than Drew. I just don't think this is the year we can do that. That may change if some QB's get released.

It's easy to keep saying Stanton is a bad QB. It's another to get someone better.

Who?

I feel TT goes to Jax.

Good. We wasted a third rounder on the guy.

Will be sad to see him go.

Hes a great guy and a great pro. Brought his ass to work every day and busted his tail. Never a word of discontent. I am a huge Tyrod fan and would love to keep him as a backup

I don't look at it that way.


We needed a QB.

We had to have a bridge to Baker. I was thrilled, but not many were happy about drafting Baker Mayfield. I don't have luck with the archives. I can't seem to figure out how to plug in the dates or the search criteria. It would be interesting to read the draft thread and pre draft comments.


We did what we had to do. Sometimes that is the cost of doing business.

I see TT going to Jax.

Good chance. The Giants might be another.

A bridge QB is not worth a third rounder, especially in the same year the 3rd rounder could have been used.

Sorry. The price it took to acquire Tyrod Taylor was a fail.