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JC...

Read alot of peoples posts and agree with much that's said...I also agree that you must make your franchise QB look his best at all times (Give him ample protection and a surplus of weapons)

Now I've always liked Landry, even prior to him coming here...I'm sure everyone would stop being so negative if he did have that breakaway 4.40 speed...however he doesn't...He does however overall add an element we haven't had for a #1 WR...No drug suspensions lol The guy is a pretty savvy wideout who normally plays to the whistle, and looks to even block downfield despite his smaller frame. His hands are near the top of the NFL...not to say he doesn't drop an easy or easier one every once in awhile.

I've always liked Higgins, I thought he was the best wideout we took that year (2016?) on draft day...He however does not possess that blazing speed either...However he seems to do everything else reasonably well...

Calloway did much better when his role was limited and he was facing more desirable coverage....he does have that speed, and should be better this year as he will have a whole off-season to improve himself and his build. You do have to worry about this guy off the field however.

Perriman like others stated showed me wrong, He caught nearly everything thrown his way, however it was only 16 catches...He does have the bigger frame with blazing speed as well...

Be interesting to see who is retained, I however would not mind seeing a bigger WR added whom can be our 50/50 ball guy. We do have more pressing needs on the front 7 of the D, until those are fixed...I can see why wideout is a little further down the priority list.

I don’t get all the love for T. Williams ... i don’t get it at all ... did u guys only watch our game that he played in ... ... dude is not very good ... he’s big and tall and fast ... YET HE NEVER PRODUCES and that was playing on the other side of K. Allen the two years before M.Williams came along ... OVERRATED and i’m not sure why ... sheesh ... hes done NOTHING ... literally nothing other than be big, tall and fast ... his numbers are UNIMPRESSIVE on his best day ..

T. Williams .... I don’t see him being an upgrade on the field at all ... naaa ... BIG TIME PASS on this dude ...

I don’t see it at all ...

Some people just stick to earlier opinions.

Things change. The game is changing. You don't need that one super guy.

With Baker, a receiver room of slot receivers would get the job done.

As I have always said, receivers don't make the QB. The QB makes the receiver. This year was a prime example.

A year ago nobody thought Higgins was any good. This year most everybody thinks he needs to be a priority signing.

Perriman got cut from the Ravens. Now, he is a priority signing according to most.

I hope Higging and Perriman understand this because there are going to be a lot of FA receivers who are going to want Mayfield tossing it to them if given the chance.

I could see Dorsey trading picks for future picks. When we need to sigh Garrett, Mayfield, Chubb and a few other to to new deals in a few years, those are years we want to have extra picks.

We have 11 picks this year. It wouldn't bother me if we traded away 4-5 of them this year and next for future picks.

Do we really need to add 11 rookies to the team this year? I think I would rather bump some of them forward. I liked Sashi's plan in that regard. I think Depo will stress that as a strategy to continue. It gives you the ability to strike when you can, and gives you the ability to restock when you have to make a few tough roster cuts to sign the guys you "really" want to keep moving forward.

At some point, as you get better, how many rookies are going to make the team? Maybe 3-4? We are just accustomed to nearly every player drafted making the team.

Belicheck has been bumping picks forward for years. He was probably a model for Sashi. Now with Dorsey, we have a guy who has shown the ability to make some pretty good picks.

We are at the point where quality is more important than quantity.

I forgot that Willies will be back too

I think we can get one more GOOD WR and have a great corp

j/c

I wouldn't mind a guy who can play on the outside and out physical defenders, win 50/50 balls or use his size to break plays open. At the same time, I was repeatedly amazed at how competent our receivers were as the season went on. I don't see any glaring holes in the current WR unit and I don't see a guy available in the draft that checks all of the boxes I describe without projecting his development. By that I mean, most of us saw what Julio Jones was as he was entering the league, same with OBJ and certainly Calvin Johnson. That guy isn't in this draft. So, I see no lights out, can't miss receiver that we have to draft high. The free agents will cost more and the crop of FA receivers doesn't move the needle for me.

I'd take a guy mid rounds and add depth throughout the roster. If somebody comes in and can compete that's all to the good. I expect that we will draft a player at the WR position but we won't overdraft a player.

This is a very deep defensive draft. We have higher needs on the defense.

I mentioned Willes earlier....Ratley out of A&M was a Dorsey pick. Both lost seasons...who knows how good they might become.



I am sure we will nab a receiver in FA or the draft, maybe both, but it isn't a priority, much less a need.


As I prefaced earlier, if we don't sign at least one of Higgins or Perriman, maybe both, it goes from no need to a minor need, to a big need.


We'll know come March 10th or so.

Most teams would kill for a true "take the top off/deep threat #1." I think one would prob be an asset, but let's be honet here:

One of Baker's strengths (so far) is that he's very adept at spreading the ball around. He has this uncanny knack for finding the open man, and placing the ball where only our guy can get it.

Ability like that allows a team like ours to produce without needing a true #1.

It's always great to have a TO, J Rice, R Moss, etc... but a QB who can spread it around AND occasionally air it out will get production from a well-balanced set of role-players and possession guys.

I'm OK whether we grab a prototypical #1 or not. I like the chemistry we saw being developed during the second half of 2018.


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GC. Bring Back Willies,

Ok , we don't need a WR then.

Now get us another Top Notch Tight End please.

We have Njoku, and other TEs. I wish Devalve had shown more.

We do NOT *need* WR. You are spot-on.

We do need improvements at TE, I think, but we're solid at WR. We don't need to burn high picks there, at all.

With all you mentioned plus Willies and Ratley, we're good.... we can bring in maybe a 4th or 5th rounder, then a bunch of UDFA and see what sticks. Heck, we could even skip drafting one completely and only go UDFA.

We have far, far bigger needs - and several of them - on the other side of the ball.

This draft and FA for that matter will lean heavily towards the defensive side of the ball.

At least I feel that it should.

Great points.

I see (hope) Jarvis as quite possibly becoming our Hines Ward for Baker as they get more time together. Higgins I like because there's a lot to be said for being dependable. Callaway can be special only if he puts the work in to learning his craft. Perriman IMO still has a lot to contribute and we'll see that as we see his confidence increases.

I think Devalve not showing more has less to do with a lack of ability and more to do with the scheming and QB play this season. Devalve made his bread and butter as the outlet guy/underneath guy right? Well, we were constantly looking to push the ball, Baker was really good about looking to push the ball. Not much action for the outlet guy in a scenario like that. That lack of using or counting on the outlet guy I thinkalso explains the lower level of production than we're used to that we've gotten from Duke.

I'm on board wit Penn.

We don't need a ton of rookies, as it will be very difficult for them to make the team.

I'm cool with trading picks to get future draft picks, or maybe packaging picks to move up and get a guy we really really want, who we know will make the team.

I too think we'll grab more defensive guys, than offensive. Easier to hold depth there, as our current depth at most positions defensive positions is not great.

Not really,, If you have a number of quality receivers and you have a QB that spreads it around as much as Baker did last year, you don't really need a Josh Gordon type guy and face it, if Gordon had stayed clean, he's a stud

You can say the exact same thing about Perriman tho.......

You right, we should have the best players we can possibly have catching the ball in a passing league......

Baker doesn't just "spread the ball around". He gets whomever is open the ball. WE watched games where he targeted guys all game because they were open. Lets get him a guy that gets open ALL THE TIME.

I don't think Matt Ryan is complaining about having Julio Jones, I don't think Montana was complaining about having Jerry Rice, and I don't think Brady complained about having Moss (which was his best year if I remember correctly, hmmmmm).

Higgins

Tyrell Williams has done NOTHING and NEVER PRODUCES, yet he has caught 155 passes for over 2500 recieving yards, including a 1000 yd season and 17 total touchdowns for his career. He's been in the NFL 4 years but only really played 3.

He's produced more than every receiver on the Browns not named Landry COMBINED!

Should I assume they played the Browns every game since that's the only time he produces? Or are you just trying to make stuff up?

Yeah, the guy is a pretty good receiever. Nothing outrageous but he can certainly play. I think he was the #2 option behind Keenan Allen heading into the year, and I felt towards the end of the year, the #3 behind Mike Williams once he started to come into his own.

Side note: I think Mike Williams could end up becoming a beast and could leap frog Allen as the #1.

I wouldn't mind getting him if the price tag is right, but still, I think I like the trajectory of Higgins and Calloway so it doesn't make signing a player like him all that necessary.

U just keep relying on those stats ... i’ll rely on my eyes ....

The FACT your comparing the STATS of a dude thats played with P. Rivers for 4 years and across from K. Allen with the STATS of dudes like Higgins and Ratley and Wilkes shows just how deep your knowledge of STATS really runs OR it proves you understand STATS and will stoop to any level to make a point ... no matter how low and scummy u need to go ...

This right here ... is exactly why ...

STATS ARE FOR ......

U just proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt!

Agreed. Just saying if we want to sign one, he's one I'd look at...

Ha! Your old tired eyes must deceive you... I would actually be curious to know how much Tyrell Williams you actually watch to say you rely on your eyes.

I forgot, however, that it's more important to you that your WR block than catch the ball, otherwise what other "production" could you be referring about?

It's funny how you and many will use the stat argument until it doesn't suit your agenda/argument. Carry on.

Williams - Meh.

Rather resign Perriman - much more upside.

Draft a WR in the 3rd - Issabella, Renfro.

Can we live with the WRs we have? Yes! But it sure would be nice to have that guy that other teams have to game plan to stop. Also I would love it if we could add a guy who is a good return man.

Did your eyes tell you that I said Mayfield was a no brainer pick?

Just read a story on Issabella,, pretty interesting kid from Mayfield Ohio..

In a way, same attitude as Mayfield.. Nobody gave him much credit but he just continues to prove them wrong.

I am not explaining myself well. What we don't have, which there are plenty of teams who do not as well, is what is a true #1 WR. Fitzgerald, OBJ, A Brown, Thomas from the Saints. One of the elite. We have everything else.

My point is that we do not need more of what we have. I see mock drafts with us taking multiple mid-round WRs. We do not need that type of WR. Those guys would struggle to make the team.

Yes, Calloway and Perriman can take the top off a defense, and that was a poor explanation of my intent. We have deep threats.



Very pleased with Perriman and Calloway. I was one of the few who didn't dismiss Perriman when we signed him. I said it was a low risk signing and I was willing to wait a ot to see how it would turn out, and took some crap for that. I want him back.

When I say I want to see more, I don't mean they need to do more, but need to do it longer. We had Perriman for half a year or so, Calloway for 1. Before I completely sign off on them, I would like to see them perform for a tad longer.




See, I did not mean that as an insult to VG, though it seems you took it as such. I see VG as someone with great hands who can make the tough catches across the middle, the catches in traffic, and who can keep the chains moving. I generically see that kind of WR as a slot receiver. And VG is one of the best.



OK, I see how it is ...



I agree it is above average, and outside of adding an elite WR (and how often does one of them become available) there really is not much we need to do.

Keeping Perriman and Hollywood, of course.

Ok ... u cant say the same thing cause they’ve all had extremely different situations ,,,

Here’s the thing bro ...

What does he bring to the team? ... seriously ... what DIMENSION is he adding that we don’t all ready have? ...

Him, Perriman, Higgins there a dime a dozen types with different skill sets ...

Perriman and williams are very similiar speed wise ... Higgins is slower but has more reliable hands ...

I don’t see it bro ... whats he bring to the room? ...

I don’t see it ... what am i missing? ,,,

Dang bro ... were 100% in agreement ... u explained this one like me the first time, not very well ... *L* ...

U kept your job by the skin of your nose ...*L* ...

NO MATTER how wrong u are on sumptin ... the job is yours for life my friend ... ....

LETS GOOOOOOooooo ,,,

I’m sooo excited i can’t contain myself ... lets gooooooooooooo ...

See, that's the problem with your Island. You're still filling positions. I don't want to go to an island to work! I'll wait until all the positions are filled so I can just come there to have fun and relax.

You can't relax man, you are one of the workers. JK.

A song for you....us...my favorite musician, no doubt....Some really good guitar licks in this one.

You want to come to relax, come to relax. No pressure, dawg.

j/c:

I would not necessarily say that is a position of "need," but I would say that the NFL has changed over time into a passing league due to the rule changes implemented by the powers that be.

Thus, having a strong WR corps is more important than it used to be. Look at the Chiefs. They have weapons all over the place. So do the Rams. It's trending.

I'm not an expert but I think the Browns would benefit from acquiring a big-bodied play maker at WR. The dude from Iowa State and the dude from Texas come to mind. Guys that will catch the short to intermediate pass over the middle or outside the hash marks, break a tackle, and run for huge chunks.

No, it's not a need............but adding weapons is never a bad thing, especially when those weapons take advantage of the rule changes.

IMO, we are set at WR. Baker has shown that a good QB can make recievers. Look what Brady has done over the years with no name guys. Look at all the recievers that Pittsburgh has had since Ben has been there, many have moved on and are average at best.

Chemistry is the key, and Baker has that with these guys. Also accuracy, and he has that too.

Would you object to DK Metcalf? BIG reminds some of Gordon.

Or that Kat from UMass? What's his name guys? The 4.26 dude. Starts with L. Our Tyreek Hill?

Disclaimer. I'd rather hit the DLine, LB, CB at 17. But Metcalf might be tempting based on what we do in FA.

I don’t know enough about those guys to talk intelligently about them ... so i can’t really say ...

Like u said .. based off team needs I’d go front 7 middle of the D or possibly CB there ... it depends on whose available .... from what I’ve read this isn’t a very deep or stud wide reciever type draft ....

our biggest need is run stoppers ... this draft is loaded with DT’S ... at some point we’ll go there ... thank god we got King John ... Sashi took like 4 WR’s in the WORST WR DRAFT in the last 2 decades ... BRILLIANT! ... ...

I agree. I have been one to say it isn't a need. That doesn't mean you don't try to get better when and where you can.

I just see other parts of the team that could use more of a upgrade then needed at receiver.

In the draft I am more in favor of the BPA...yes, needs do impact that decision to some degree. I just thimk with out draft position a receiver isn't going to be the BPA for the first few rounds.

Upgrades are always welcome...