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So TRUMP is enticing the caravans up to America just for the hisanic vote ...ok if you say so.

Maybe you should stop making thins up .

Really? You do realize that it's Republicans that love the cheap labor, right? I mean it was Reagan that pardoned 2 million illegals. It was Obama that deported more illegals then any president before him.

You do realize that caravans aren't a new problem, right? They've been happening for many years.

Nobody is or has been "enticing" them. It's the state of their own countries that drives them here.

Talk about somebody making things up.....

Yes, I read about the Cyber WALL. I like WALLS.

Now, if you could all open your eyes you would see what is happening in America today...

Why are you discussing these options? Because Trump wants a wall.
Why are people discussing withdrawal from Syria? Because Trump says he wants us out.
Why are people beginning to discuss withdrawal from Afghanistan? Because Trump is talking peace and getting us out of there.
Why are people discussing ending the arms treaty with Russia who isn't following it anyway? Because Trump wants us to stop following it while our enemy ignores it.

Leadership from the top! Transparency! Not ruling from the top but motivating the conversation as all Americans begin to discuss the possibilities.

This is how one makes America great!
I don't expect most of you to be able to see that though.

Undocumented Workers Lose Their Jobs at Yet Another Trump Property

President Trump’s family business has employed undocumented workers more broadly than it was previously believed, with multiple workers losing their jobs last month at a Trump golf club in southern New Jersey.

The club in Pine Hill, N.J., known as the Trump National Golf Club Philadelphia, was the third Trump property where undocumented workers have been fired since The New York Times reported in December that the Trump club in Bedminster, N.J., for years employed immigrants who were in the country unlawfully.

The president’s company terminated about a dozen undocumented workers at the Bedminster property after the article was published, as well as a dozen workers at the Trump National Golf Club Westchester, in Briarcliff Manor, N.Y.

People familiar with the terminations at Pine Hill said that about five workers at that property were fired or told not to report to work again, including two seasonal employees who were not scheduled to work until the spring. One of the people familiar with the matter said that many other seasonal workers expected to be told not to return in the coming weeks.

The revelations about the undocumented workers has been an embarrassment for the Trump Organization, coming to light as Mr. Trump has railed against illegal immigration, blamed undocumented immigrants for crime and pledged to build a wall along the Mexican border to keep more people from entering the country unlawfully.

The company has said it was duped by employees who used false identification to get their jobs. But some of the workers in Bedminster told The Times they were kept on the payroll despite the fact that management was aware of the false documents.

A spokesperson for the company declined to comment on Friday.

The workers at the Pine Hill property said their terminations, which occurred in January, came abruptly.

“Just like that, I got fired,” said Victor Reyes, who is from Mexico and worked in the kitchen alongside the chef.

“The manager called me and asked, ‘Victor, are you legal?’ I said, ‘No, I am not legal.’ It surprised me because I knew he knew that I was illegal. I have worked for him 16 years and then he asks me,” said Mr. Reyes, who added that it was his first job since crossing the border.

Mr. Reyes had worked up from a dishwasher to grilling steaks and preparing a la carte orders, he said, and acquired many cooking skills along the way.

The firings at the Pine Hill golf club were the result of a broader audit that the Trump Organization is conducting at its properties across the country, according to people briefed on the review. Although the organization has conducted similar reviews in prior years, this is the largest effort yet to ensure that the company’s employees are authorized to work in the country.

The review has presented yet another legal and public relations headache for company executives who are trying to contain the fallout from the revelations. It comes as the Trump Organization is facing wider scrutiny from congressional Democrats examining the company’s business practices.

At this point in the review, the issues appear to have been largely concentrated in the Bedminster and Westchester golf clubs, the people said, though the discovery of undocumented workers at the southern New Jersey property show that the matter is more widespread than initially believed. The terminations at the Westchester club were first reported by The Washington Post.

The Trump Organization announced on Tuesday that it was using a system — known as E-verify — to prevent undocumented workers from getting jobs at its properties. For the last several years, the company had utilized that system in many of its hotel properties, though it did not adopt it at most of the golf courses.

“I must say, for me personally, this whole thing is truly heartbreaking,” Eric Trump, an executive vice president with the Trump Organization, said in a statement on Tuesday. “Our employees are like family, but when presented with fake documents, an employer has little choice.”

He said that hiring undocumented immigrants was not a problem unique to the Trump Organization, and that it “demonstrates that our immigration system is severely broken and needs to be fixed immediately.”

About eight million undocumented workers participate in the United States labor force, and it is an open secret that they use fake documents to get hired, typically made-up social security numbers and permanent residency cards.

The Pine Hill club has an 18-hole golf course surrounded by maple and pine trees on 365 acres. Members enjoy putting greens and a 43,000-square-foot clubhouse where weddings and other events take place. Sitting atop a hill, it boasts a view of the Philadelphia skyline.

The golf club employs 100 to 200 people, many of them in seasonal jobs. Immigrants employed there were charged with watering, mowing and manicuring the greens; the upkeep of the banquet hall, which has a 300-person capacity; and preparing food in the club’s restaurant.

Because the workers do not have lawyers and remain in the country illegally, two of those who described the firings, as well as their family members, declined to be named.

Workers said that those who were terminated were summoned to a meeting with Eric Quinn, the general manager, and a human-resources executive who they believed was from the Trump Organization. Each was told that their documents did not pass inspection after an audit and that they should leave the premises immediately, leaving some of the workers who lacked driver’s licenses to scramble to find rides home.

“People were getting fired on the spot, no warning, no nothing. No time to find a job,” said one worker, who declined to be named.

The worker said that the immigrants had been treated well by the club’s management and that some of them had broken down when they were fired. “It’s not easy to find a job if you don’t have papers, after you worked there,” the worker said. The general manager, according to several accounts, was said to have lamented the terminations.

Executives at the Pine Hill club declined to comment.

The problem of undocumented workers at Trump properties came to light in December, when The Times wrote about Victorina Morales of Guatemala, a housekeeper at the Bedminster property who made the president’s bed, washed his clothes and dusted his golf trophies for five years. After Mr. Trump was elected, a manager told her that her fake documents had expired and helped her acquire new ones.

Ms. Morales said that on the advice of her lawyer, she stopped going to work on Dec. 4, two days before The Times article was published. The lawyer, Anibal Romero, has said that neither he nor his client had been notified that she was fired, and that her employment status was not clear.

Ms. Morales, who is protected from deportation because she applied for asylum, was invited by her Democratic congresswoman, Bonnie Watson Coleman, to attend the State of the Union address on Tuesday. Also attending will be Sandra Diaz, a native of Costa Rica and a legal resident of the United States who said she was undocumented when she worked at the Trump resort. She will be the guest of Representative Jimmy Gomez, a California Democrat.

Another undocumented worker, Emma Torres, told The Times that someone in human resources at the Bedminster club had removed her name and other undocumented workers’ names from a list of employees submitted to the Secret Service in 2017. Ms. Torres quit shortly after on her own volition.

At Pine Hill, Mr. Reyes said that he was treated well by Mr. Quinn, the general manager, and expressed gratitude for the opportunity to grow professionally during his years at the golf club, where his hard work was recognized, he said. Over the years, on the job his repertoire of dishes grew and he learned English.

“I had too many raises,” said the immigrant from Puebla, who said that he earned $18 an hour. The money enabled him to pay his rent and send money to his family back in Mexico.

He received his first bonus in all his years working at the club, he said, in late December. In hindsight, Mr. Reyes wonders whether that was because management knew that he would not be welcome back after the winter hiatus.

Now, he said, he is seething with a sense of betrayal.

“I loved my job. I learned to cook everything. They helped me grow,” he said, erupting in tears. “Now I feel bad. I don’t trust nobody.”

Mr. Trump, who during his campaign called Mexicans “rapists” and “criminals,” has made border security and protecting jobs for Americans cornerstones of his presidency. His commitment to erecting a border wall resulted in the recent partial government shutdown.

He has deemed illegal immigration “a major, major problem,” and his administration has intensified workplace raids and payroll audits at companies suspected of employing undocumented workers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/01/us/trump-workers-fired.html

They weren't even using e-varify to prevent this from happening. Yeah, Republicans aren't a big part of the problem by providing jobs to illegals. Mmmmm hmmmmm.....

Wrong again. This is nothing new. When people only listen to news from one side, they wouldn't know that though.



Because nobody has been stupid enough to say ISIS has been defeated only 24 hours before they killed many Americans there.

When people react to some of the stupid things he says, it's not because he's making anything great.

My bad bro.

it's all good.

Pretty cool article, though, eh?

Yes, and I wish people in the admin would read it.

Dead ass we’d be better off if guys like you, Pit, and DC were president.

No, but mine certainly was when I posted the fiber optic option on 1/29

Yes, that is where I read it.

I wish I'd seen it when you first posted it, Milk. If I had, I'd have been 100% down with it when you dropped it.

As it stands, I shared it the moment I found it.
Was it the same with you?

...because this is the kind of story that should be discussed.



If the thread is still up, I'll be going there. Link?
Seems that you've already dedicated a space for some good discourse.

I actually first heard the idea of a fiber optic border wall discussed by Rep. Will Hurd on the NY Times podcast The Daily from January 17th, 2019.

Here's the link to the podcast.....

NYT podcast The Daily: Congresssman Will Hurd

I'm glad you read my post.

My hook-up was the Business Insider article. I get my news from a loosely-filtered, centrist feed that veers r/l pretty equally.

Since that article, I've chased down other material about Will Hurd. This dude should be on everyone's radar.

I noticed.

But this really isn’t the cyber wall I think Swish is touching on. I could be wrong. But these FO’s is an electronic monitoring fence.

IMO a cyber wall is something like a super “firewall” that not only blocks security cyber attackers but also attacks them in return as varified.

You can certainly remove me from that list.

I don't have any idea how to play politics or know enough about the ins and outs of Washington. To play the game you have to know all the rules. I have a fairly good idea of how government is supposed to work but no idea how the actual behind closed doors games are played. When billionaires, corporations and lobbyists control government policy, it's not a game I'm interested in playing.

A wall is not the answer people should be arguing about.....

The real solution lies in how can we change our policies to create better lives for the people of Central and South America, so they no longer want to flee their homeland for America....

That is the actual solution....Make these people want to stay with their families and their homes....

Building a wall is just a meaningless waste of money that does nothing to address the actual problem.....

Building a wall is akin to putting up a fence to keep the neighbors dog from pooping in your yard....but we aren't dealing with a neighbors dog; we're dealing with thousands of human beings, who possess critical thinking skills, dreams, and aspirations.....

Trying to solve this complex issue with a simple strategy that has been employed over and over throughout history with very limited degrees of success is stupid.....pair that with the immense cost associated with this wall...and it is really a ludicrous proposition...

I just cannot believe that the American people have been bickering over such an immensely stupid idea for years.....

It really goes to show where we are, as Americans, in a nutshell; we are a nation of clueless dolts whose only thoughts are broadcast to us through our idiot boxes....

While that would be an ideal solution, how much money should America invest in rescuing most of Central America and parts of South America? Would that require troops, overthrowing governments and nation building? Hundreds of billions of dollars over time? Would this be your policy for the moment or a perpetual policy?

It seems while you see at as a solution, I see it as a never ending rabbit hole with no clear vision, plan or long term solution.

Already said...legitimize the drug trade....bring in billions of taxable income, enable businesses to solve disagreements through mergers, litigation, trade agreements.....etc....problem solved.

That's a lot of broad sweeping generalizations without a lot of details. I doubt you would find many Americans stupid enough to advocate making heroin and cocaine legal.

Its the only real solution...demand will always exist....so someone will always act as supply....

always...forever......can't be stopped, ever.....our policies have created the problem of immigration, literally destroyed civil liberties, fueled massive violence and death, overwhelmed our justice/prison system......the negative consequences far outweigh the perceived positives....

Its the only answer that makes since.....prohibition was a disaster with alcohol, its been a disaster with other intoxicants.....

Whether you like it or not.....its the only answer that legitimately addresses the problems and provides a real solution...

Its sad that people can't understand this...…

As long as we keep the current policy, we will continue fighting the same battles....

Money will always be in demand. So I guess bank robbery should be legal. It's sad that people can't see this.

That's just silly.

Really, a nonsensical statement. It only functions to trivialize and confuse people...gives absolutely zero contribution to the original idea.

we're not talking about robbing banks....we're not talking about robbery.

We're talking about basic supply/demand, and how the drug trade will always exist. We're talking about how our drug policy has created a bunch of terrible consequences, and its doing this while essentially being completely ineffective. You can still buy drugs in nearly every county, city, village, township in America.

You don't have to like the answer....its simply the best answer to the problem.

It worked with alcohol, alcohol producers bring in loads of taxable income, and it took alcohol out of the hands of organized crime, as the producers could become legitimate businesses....

Its the best answer.....the best solution....but people can't think outside what they've been programmed to think for their entire lives....

Sooner or later, ppl might wake up...I'm not holding my breathe....

If you think a wall is going to solve this...have at it......time will tell.....I'm just telling you, from my position, the only real solution is what I've been preaching....

Its the best answer for everyone involved.....the people of America, the ppl of Central south America....its the best answer period....

Until ppl can have serious discussions about it, which, obvious, isn't happening now....we'll be stuck in this quagmire....

Legalize everything drug wise. The idiocy will sort itself out rapidly. If all drugs are legal and you remove the criminal element of trafficking, the first half (or better) of the problem is solved.

Not sure I agree with that stance since big Pharma is the biggest pusher man we have.

Could see that working fine after we get Medicare for all.

I believe this is exactly what needs to happen, but like pitt said - how and how much money do we spend doing so?

I remember watching a video called Immigration and Gumballs once, it spoke just about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCcFNL7EmwY

Its a about a 12 min video, but a decent presentation.

You do realize that four out of five heroin addicts started off taking legal pain killers prescribed by a doctor, right?

Maybe if we solved that problem it would be easier to control the supply since the demand would be so diminished.

With all of trumps business friends isn't there some way they could privately fund a wall? I'm sure there's some way to make money off it...

I'm quite sure there'd be large scale protests and boycotts against companies if the CEOs and owners would fund the wall.

Are ya'll ready to vote for Trump in 2020 after the state of the union? I sure am!

I loved it when President Trump said the U.S. will never be s socialist country:



Chants of 'USA' after Trump says 'America will never be a socialist country.'

By Jordain Carney -

02/05/19


President Trump pledged during his State of the Union address Tuesday that "America will never be a socialist country," sparking chants of "USA" from GOP lawmakers.

Trump, transitioning from talking about the escalating political crisis in Venezuela, said that he was "alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country."

"We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country," Trump said.

Trump's mention of socialism drew boos and chants of "USA, USA, USA" from Republican lawmakers.

The remarks appeared to a veiled barb at some progressive lawmakers in the audience, including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who are both self-described democratic socialists.

Ocasio-Cortez was spotted smiling during Trump's comments. Sanders, who was slated to deliver his own response to Trump's speech after the address, sat stone-faced.
Congressional Democrats are in the midst of fierce debate with a newly resurgent progressive caucus about the best way to take on Trump.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) remained seated but was spotted applauding when Trump said the United States would not be a "socialist country."


https://thehill.com/homenews/house/42864...cialist-country

You should be ready! Almost his entire speech was Fox News talking points and red meat for his base. Although he did say several things that seemed centrist or even a little to the left, you have to view those through the lense that has witnessed him tell 8000 lies in the last two years. EIGHT THOUSAND.

Trumpian and GOPer attacks on socialism/socialist is yet another scare tactic for the party of poop your pants about everything. If all the socialist programs/policies/services the US CURRENTLY has were to end tomorrow, do you think America would be a better place?

If you do, then you are truly clueless.

Here are a couple of memes you might be able to understand.





But I will admit that too much socialism is not always a good thing! The biggest social program in our country and by far the most expensive is the US MILITARY. So go ahead and get rid of socialism... I dare you.

Well if we don't vote for him we'll be at war with N. Korea!!!

I know you'll do the right thing and vote Trump in 2020. The highlight to me was denouncing socialism. There's some close ups of Bernie Sanders and AOC looking like dejected morons, freaking loved it.

You know he did that because it scares him, right? He's knows the democratic socialist are coming for him.

You mean the dejected morons who now control congress?

I agree with this, in part. You can’t legalize hard core drugs like heroin and what not, for obvious destructive reasons, but a drug like marijuana, yes. Last year Colorado pulled in 200 million in taxes for the douja. That’s 200 million dollars, not going to the black market.

Marijuana will be legalized countrywide, sooner or later, southern states will be the last to adopt that policy. Yes they smoke weed in the south. Not trying to get off topic, there are countless better ways to spend 6 billion dollars.

As border wall funding divides Washington, new $600M barrier will soon break ground in Texas

MISSION, Texas -- Heavy machinery has started to roll in near the National Butterfly Center, which straddles the Mexican border. Customs and Border Protection has positioned vehicles here. And construction workers and architects have started plotting out their work for the next few months, and possibly years.

As the nation's capital grapples over how to fund the controversial border wall, construction of a new one in the Rio Grande Valley is set to begin in the next few days.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/construction-...-border-funding

Trump

If Texas wants to build a fence, they certainly can, it’s in the constitution.

You just can’t federally mandate walls in the United States, it’s un American. Like many other ideals of the south, it will be looked at as a relic.


Build a fence. Barriers have always been a staple of the south. If you have hate and fear, you need a wall.