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Oh I agree he has had garbage of WR. That helping my point, hes better than you think he is.

We’ll find out this year ... he has 3 young WR’s that showed a lot last year and possibly Sanders coming back ...

The group he will have next year should be pretty good, way better than the crap he’s had in Baltimore other than S. Smith for the last 5 years ...

So many things wrong with this post, that I don't even know where to begin.

I think that I'll begin by saying that I don't think those WRs make up a good group, but a league average group. Certainly better than the Browns have done in that same time period. Unless you'd rather your boy Kenny Britt instead

Second, using stats to try to justify how badly WRs played is hilarious because a) stats are for losers and b) Joe Flacco is so bad that he made the group perform worse than average, so no duh they stop being good magically when they reach the Ravens, despite having above average NFL careers before that.

Third, Pretty Boy Flacco's best asset has always been his deep ball. When the Ravens performed the best with him, it's when his deep ball is working. For example, despite Anquan Boldin being the #1 WR when they won the SB, Torrey Smith was their TD leader due to his deep speed.

Fourth, that's why they brought in guys like Mike Wallace and John Brown. Mike Wallace actually posted his 3rd best season at age 29 with Flacco. John "Never Was" Brown, has more yards, receptions and TDs than any Browns player during that time period. Grabtree had 1000+ yards and 8 TDs two seasons ago with OAKLAND. Maybe he's washed up because Flacco is the worst franchise QB in the sport as his horrible stats have shown.

Again, I don't think he's had a good group, I think he's had an average group. The Bills, Cowboys pre-Amari, Titans, Cards, Jets and Browns have had horrible WR talent. Flacco is just a horrible QB who makes his WRs worse with his horrible play.

The thought that Flacco will somehow make the Broncos WR corp good is beyond laughable. I just hope he does so badly that the Broncos want to get rid of Courtland Sutton.

What stat did i use? .. not one ... Kenny Britt was my boy? ... i said the day we signed him it was a huge mistake ... if that makes him my boy by your standards so be it ... i said Flacco wasn’t very good and was on the down slope of his career .. what part of that do u have trouble comprehending ....

Your going to use the browns recievers pre king john as a comparision .... *LOL* ... u got me ... ...

John Brown runs fast .. thats it ... LOVE YOUR USE OF STATS THOUGH ... who they for again ... ... who the hell considered him having an above average career before he got to the rats .... first time i ever saw or heard that opined ... your in a real real small group with that evaluation ...

Whose Maclin playing for now? ... ya .. i thought so ... and he tore it up his last year in KC ... .... he got cut from the rats cause i dont think he ever recovered from his last injury ... i loved that dude .. wish we went after him ... now we know why ... i read it in October or so .. he was still recovering from his last injury ...

How did tree do his last year in Oakland .. u went back two years ... WHY? .... maybe Carr STINKS TOO (thats another discussion cause i dont think he’s all that either) ...

My personal favorite is the part where u tell me Flacco’s the reason why these guys STUNK and then tell me Wallace had his 3rd best season under Flacco at age 29 ... *scratches head* ... that’s LOGICAL ... did Flacco have a fluke year that year ...

The best part ... i dont think we disagree much at all ... we both think Flacco is not that good ... i think the WR’s u named other than Snead were WASHED UP before they got to the rats ... i think in there time with the ravens none of them were very good .. u think there average .. i’d say below average ...

Your comprehension really needs some work ... i said he’s got some young recievers in denver that showed some promise last year and WE’LL FIND OUT how he does with them next year ... maybe u oughta lay off the Cheech for a bit so u understand whats written .. either that or smoke some more ... *L* ...

I’ll tell what ... i’ll Take a flier on one of them in my fantasy drafts real late ... i’d Guess the rookie they took real high last year will be the first one off the board ... i really like D. Hamilton and the dude they picked up during the year ... can’t remember his name off the top of my head .. he may have been another dumb ass cut by the rats .. *L* ...

With the amount of ellipses you use, I have to smoke more weed or otherwise I just think you're trying to type in braille.

I think we're close to agreement, so I'll leave the thread because it's not worth the time. That said, I think the stats are right, Flacco is the worst Franchise QB in the NFL. Not sure I can count Bortles and Eli as Franchise QBs anymore. But Flacco has been beyond horrid and it's not because his WRs are bad. It's because he sucks.

j/c:

I have stayed out the Flacco evaluations in this thread, but I'll post my opinion and then not argue w/the know-it-alls.

Flacco is not a great qb. However, he is not nearly as bad as some are making him out to be. It never ceases to amaze me that so many people talk about not watching other games and then are experts about all of the players in the league.

Flacco has a big time arm and throws the deep ball well. He can move around better than people think. He's kind of streaky. He'll get hot and cold quite a bit. His accuracy is pretty good overall despite the numbers. However, he misses throws when he is on his cold streak.

I think he an average starter and not nearly as bad as many are making him out to be. I thought he would have been a great fit for the Giants. I'm not really feeling the Denver connection. Their WRs are bad, especially if Sanders doesn't heal quickly.

This was always my take on Flacco, more than anything. He would come out and have this absolutely atrocious first half, but the defense would keep them in it. Then he'd come out in the second half and be a totally different QB.

That's why I never put him in the "elite" group. Every QB has a bad game. I get it. But you look at the true elites and they are for the most part very consistent. Flacco has not been for a while.

I think you hit the nail on the head. He can get the hot hand and look pretty good. When he doesn't have the hot hand he looks like crap. That's not a QB you can count on to get you where you want to go.

The lack of talent at the QB position in the NFL certainly creates a situation where he's a viable option. But he's past his prime and the future won't be as good as his past.

Yep. Vers hit the nail on the head and you pounded it in. They're hoping the good can become magic for a season or two, and the bad, including "father time" won't rear it's ugly face. He'll have better receivers but he won't have the same defense to bail him out.

I think it gives them options to draft a QB and groom one for a year possibly two. I don't hate the move for the Broncos, and i love the fact that Balt got rid of the a decent option at QB, because Lamar is not going to make the year healthy.

IF the Broncos invest in a first round pick in the draft at QB I think it would certainly change the perception of this move for some people. But as a decision made in isolation it doesn't look that great at the moment.

The real question is why does Denver think Flacco is better than better to the point of paying $26 million for the two in 2019? If they wanted a bridge QB, why not just keep Keemun (and the draft pick)?

I think Denver traded for Flacco because they think he is good and will start for them for several years. Their track record with QBs indicates that they don’t know what they’re doing.

I have seen zero details of the trade. Could it be that Denver got a draft pick to take on the Flacco contract like we did with TT?

I have no way of knowing that.

They got a 4th round pick ... i’m Not gonna go dig it up ... i read it two days ago ...