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It's always somewhat humorous and slightly uncomfortable when Brown's fans make fun of other teams, especially when the other teams have won Super Bowls.

Rumors are a 4th and maybe a later pick. Seems about right.

Seems generous. Clearly the rats want out of that contract. Flacco's worth as a QB at this point in his career is highly speculative.

Ridicule knows no boundaries.

Music, Dawg. MUSIC TO THY EARS.

Now Big Boy in Pitt needs to Retire.

Things are working PERFECTLY.

VERY SOON we will have THE BEST QB in the Division. And you know what that means.

PARTY ON THE ISLE!!!!!!

I think Flacco is better than you give him credit for.

The dude had nothing for WR for years.

Hes not great, I am not saying that. And is a is a bridge/stopgap at QB at this point in his career.

Lets not get QB stuck up since we finally got one. I would have loved to have a QB as bad as flacco for the last 10 years.

You are confusing Flacco from several years ago with Flacco in 2019.

Psssssssssssssssssssst

We already do.

RGIII Jr and i believe his results will be the same as RGIII's

No, not at all.

Hes still decent. I would rather him our backup that TT, and I would rather him our starter than any other qb we have had not named Baker.

RGIII was a better passer than Lamar.

He will be out the league until he learns how to throw the ball, even if he stays healthy. Def. will figure him out sooner than later (looks like they started too).

Does anyone think he is another Kordell Stewart?

Probably, but maybe not. All of the QBs in the draft will need some work and time other than maybe Haskins...and even he will need some. Flacco could be the 2 year bridge. The type of contract he signs will give us a better indication.

Baltimore just "got better." Don't really like this with regards to the Browns. The Ravens won't be handicapped by the bad contract any more. Lamar being on a rookie deal affords them options across the roster.

Not that I'm particularly worried about the Ravens, but they won't have that deal dragging them down any more. Whether they are set at QB remains to be seen, but they're set up to surround him with nice pieces cap-wise.

And we'll TRUMP THEM TIMES 5.

He won't make it past the 3rd game of next season he is pure gimmick, and has already been exposed.

He can't pass and once you box him in its over. The Ravens are in a race to the bottom with Cincy.

Are you joking? I know you like to throw little jokes in. Is this one of them?

I’ve NEVER thought he was very good .. always thought he was extremely OVERRATED ...

I Love how he get credit for a great 2nd half in the AFC championship game the year they won the SB ... he did haveone hell of a 2nd half ... they wouldn’t ahve needed the great 2nd half is he didn’t play so bad in the 1st half .. *L* ..

I agree since S. Smith retired hes had NO ONE ... has nothing to do with how bad he is now ...

QB stuck up ... *L* .. that was a good one ...

Naaaa .. never been a fan ...

Who cares .. hes not in our division anymore and i’d Be bummed about that if they didnt put a triple option QB in his place ..

I feel that this could make both teams worse... only good thing for the Ravens is they have more freedom to build around Lamar...

It's ok. I think some people will never admit they were wrong about Mayfield. If we win 5 of the next 10 super bowls, I have friends who will still claim Mayfield was the wrong pick and will come up with every excuse in the book as to why he's not the reason we are winning. I think there are even some fans who want him to fail.

I think versatile's point is that it's still early to say mayfield is already the best in the division.

Ben is one reason to make that assertion.

He said nothing to deride Baker.

I believe that he thinks, rightly, that Roethlisberger is still the QB to beat in this division. He has proven his ability against top opponents, winning big games against them, and Baker still has to prove he can do that.

I think that he can. I bet Vers does as well, but Baker still has to do it.

As someone who shares a mind with cfrs I can guarantee you his power ranking goes: 1) Baker 2A) Big Ben 2B) Lamar Jackson 38 and 1/2) Andy Dalton

If I'm wrong then I'll also be advocating we take Andy Isabella at 17.

I never said he did say anything.

I merely said I have friends who despise Baker, who say we will regret drafting him. We should have taken Barkley. And they'd trade Baker for Barkley and even give picks away that's how much Baker isn't going to do for this team.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Right or wrong.

This.

You're right. I think Ben is the best qb in the division at this point in time. I don' think that is really disputable.

I think Baker played beyond my wildest dreams last year and I am very impressed by what I saw. I think he has a real shot to be a very good qb in the NFL. I do think he has to prove it for at least one more year and possibly two.

We've seen too many qbs come into the league and look very good and then fizzle out due to teams figuring them out, injuries, etc. Think of guys like RGIII, Carr, Kaep, Josh Freeman, Culpepper, Vince Young, Sanchez, etc.

I think that Baker is going to be a good qb in this league, but I think people are rushing to draw conclusions on him, just as so many people want to write off a qb after their rookie year.

My bottom line is that Baker is not a better qb than Big Ben right now.

I always thought our best QB since 1999 (before Baker) was Kyle Boller. Twice a year, you could count on him to keep us in games. Flacco was that way, too. But, he found a way to put things together in the 2nd half to beat us.

But a lot of that was beating ourselves, too, with Browns-esque moments.

I am excited to watch Baker and Lamar go against each other twice a year. It will be a lot of fun to watch.

But if I was a Ravens fan, I wouldn't like the way things are. Maybe Jackson can be the guy, but I feel like good teams are going to find a way to contain him. He'll make some good throws, but never enough to carry the team.

I expect the Ravens to be drafting a first round QB within the next 3 years.

That all being said, Flacco still might have *some* gas left in the tank. But I feel like Denver wasn't just "one piece" from being a Super Bowl team. Especially since they have to play the Chefs and Chargers twice a year.

They'll be drafting a QB next year.

I saw a set of stats (don't say it, I know)from last year, statistically, Keenum was better.

But, Flacco has the history. So can Fangio get another year or two out of him at a high level?

That might really be the best question.

I'll admit it,, I groaned when we picked him. I thought, what are you doing Dorsey.. What's the matter with your brain..

Man, was I ever wrong... Geesh

Ben is the best in the division TODAY ... by the end of next year that very well may change ...

All things considered i’d Much rather have Bake ... one is just starting thier career and the other is nearing the end ...

LETS GOOOOOOOOooooooooo ....

I understand that, but I responded to a comment that said he was already the best.

Yep. Things are working PERFECTLY for us.

No Bell. No Brown. Ben on his last legs.

Cincy is a train wreck.

Baltimore going full tilt with a Wanna-be QB. They'll lose some of that defense also.

OUR TIME IS COMING.

I'm not yet prepared to classify Baltimore's QB a wanna-be. He was pretty good to watch.. What I do think is that a guy like him, who plays like he does, is much more prone to injury (not wishing that on him you understand)

All things considered, I'd much rather have Baker Mayfield than any other QB in our Division.

Right. "Who is the best right now" and "Who would you rather have on your team right now, going forward" are two different questions, which can have two different answers.

I agree that right now Ben is the best QB in the AFCN, but I would rather have Baker as my QB.

Don’t need to ... u just crapped all over them and flushed them down the toilet in a much classier manner than i would have .... WELL SAID BRO ...

I think Flacco was always OVERRATED and was an average QB at best and i think he’s over the hill now ... BUT the inference in the stat cfr posted was exactly why STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!

Vers

I’d be mildly suprised if cfr wasn’t joking about Bake being the best all ready ... maybe he really thinks that .... if so, I would disagree with him but its not out of the realm of possibility Bake is better than him by the start of next season with all the experience he got last year and now he has time to process it and put in the work to improve off the outstanding by any measure rookie season he had ... i actually expect Bake to be better than Ben next year .. we won’t know that til January of 2020 ...

I would be SHOCKED if Fate believes he is right now and the other one that liked it just says things to get under your skin ... i have no proof of that other than the games he clearly plays and then denies it ... he simply can’t be that obtuse ....

All I did was agree with U and add on to it ... not sure whats wrong with that ... *shrugs* ...

LETS GOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo ....

QBs make WRs good, not the other way around. One WR might be able to help a QB elevate his game, but the group doesn't as a whole.

Who have been the Ravens WRs over the past three years? Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Jeremy Maclin, John Brown, Michael Sadtree and Willie Snead IV.

Those guys sure as hell aren't nobodies, they're all bona fide NFL WRs and have proven that over their career.

Stats, if used and created correctly, help us define what we're seeing in reality. Now if people want to ignore that reality, well, that's on them.

I thought you would like that

But still, you know you would have taken Flacco any year before 2018

U and I have way DIFFERENT REALITIES ...

Wille “i played with Drew Brees and had one OK year” Snead .... John “i never was” Brown .... Mike “I ain’t done squat since I left Pitt” Wallace ..... Jeremy “washed up” Maclin ..... and Micheal “slow as molasses have trouble creating separation” Crabtree .... ...

I think Flacco was never that good and is washed up but other than Smith the rest of those guys were FLAT OUT BUMS by the time they got to the rats ...

OH VEY if u think those guys make a good group ...