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Emergency powers are for actual emergencies. Not things "You didn't need to do".

If you don't need to do something, it's not an emergency. Quit making excuses.

e·mer·gen·cy
Dictionary result for emergency
/əˈmərjənsē/
noun: emergency; plural noun: emergencies

a serious, unexpected, and often dangerous situation requiring immediate action.

So tell us oh wise one, how many soldiers do we need to send to the border to help the overwhelmed Border Patrol and how many Caravans of thousands of people is enough to make this an emergency in your mind?

We have had 4 or 5 Caravans already and more continue to form.

When do you finally stand up for our Nation over your unhinged need to fight Trump while the Nation suffers?

You do know that Trump abused his powers when he moved the soldiers to the border on that political stunt? Right? Or is your head buried so far into the sand that you've completely lost touch with reality?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...cfbb_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...s-mexico-border

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/29/caravan-mexico-border-troops-899006

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc...t-1359804995902

I even included MSNBC since the POTUS seems to like them so much.

The soldiers are hanging wire at the border. They have no power to enforce any immigration laws at the border. You have once again been duped by Trump.

Trump plainly said."'I didn't need to do this. I just want to do it faster."

That in no way describes an emergency. I know you have no intention of holding Trump accountable for anything he says. But he said this in front of the entire world.

Okay. Where to begin on your FauxNews scare piece?

First, where did it say in the article that any of the six illegals walked into the US across the desert where a fence would have stopped them?
I’ll answer. It didn’t. Likely they came in one of many other ways that a wall wouldn’t have stopped.
Secondly, let’s break down these paragraphs directly from the article...


“The massive drug operation included transporting large amounts of cocaine and methamphetamine across state lines — for instance, from Texas to Georgia and North Carolina, WSOC reported.”

““Members of the investigative team believe — based on wire intercepts, surveillance and other facts discovered from the investigation — that Oscar and Regulo transport illicit proceeds, derived from the sales of narcotics, when they travel from Myrtle Beach to Charlotte,” according to federal court documents,”

So should we build a wall between Texas and Georgia and North Carolina? Or should we build a wall between Myrtle Beach and Charlotte?

j/c

This federal law limits what US troops deployed at the border can do

PHOENIX — The more than 5,200 active-duty troops being sent by President Donald Trump to the U.S.-Mexico border will be limited in what they can do under a federal law that restricts the military from engaging in law enforcement on American soil.

That means the troops will not be allowed to detain immigrants, seize drugs from smugglers or have any direct involvement in stopping a migrant caravan that is still about 1,000 miles from the nearest border crossing.

Instead, their role will largely mirror that of the existing National Guard troops — about 2,000 in all — deployed to the border over the past six months, including providing helicopter support for border missions, installing concrete barriers and repairing and maintaining vehicles. The new troops will include military police, combat engineers and helicopter companies equipped with advanced technology to help detect people at night.

The extraordinary military operation comes a week before the Nov. 6 midterm elections as Trump has sought to transform fears about the caravan and immigration into electoral gains. On Tuesday, he stepped up his dire warnings, calling the band of migrants fleeing poverty and violence in Central America an "invasion."

"Our Military is waiting for you!" he tweeted.

R. Gil Kerlikowske, Customs and Border Protection commissioner from 2014 to 2017, said the military cannot stop asylum seekers who show up at border crossings to seek protection, and that Border Patrol agents have had no trouble apprehending people who cross illegally.

"I see it as a political stunt and a waste of military resources and waste of tax dollars," said Kerlikowske, who was at the helm during a major surge of Central Americans migrants in 2014. "To use active-duty military and put them in that role, I think is a huge mistake. I see it as nothing more than pandering to the midterm elections by the president."

Traveling mostly on foot, the caravan of some 4,000 migrants and a much smaller group of hundreds more are still weeks, if not months, before reaching the U.S. border. Thousands have already dropped out, applying for refugee status in Mexico or taking the Mexican government up on free bus rides back home, and the group is likely to dwindle even more during the arduous journey ahead.

Another smaller caravan earlier this year numbered only a couple hundred by the time it arrived at the Tijuana-San Diego crossing.

And despite the heightened rhetoric, the number of immigrants apprehended at the border is dramatically lower than past years. Border Patrol agents this year made only a quarter of the arrests they made in 2000 at the height of illegal immigration, when the agency had half of the staffing it does today. The demographics have also drastically changed, from mostly Mexican men traveling alone, to Central American families with children.

Migrants arriving at the border will now see a sizable U.S. military presence — more than double the 2,000 who are in Syria fighting the Islamic State group — even though their mission will be largely a support role.

That's because the military is bound by the Posse Comitatus Act, a 19th- century federal law that restricts participation in law enforcement activities. Unless Congress specifically authorizes it, military personnel can't have direct contact with civilians, including immigrants, said Scott R. Anderson of The Brookings Institution.

Air Force Gen. Terrence O'Shaughnessy, head of U.S. Northern Command, said Tuesday that at least 5,239 troops were being sent to the Southwest border as the Pentagon works to meet requests from the Department of Homeland Security.

"The 5,239 are going forward and there will be additional forces over and above the 5,239," he said, adding that number "is not the top line."

Asked about the use of weapons, O’Shaughnessy said the active-duty troops have been given clear guidance on the use of force and there will be unit and individual training to make sure they know what they can and can’t do. Generally, U.S. troops are authorized to use force in self-defense.

Still, the large troop deployment will be limited to performing similar support functions as the National Guard troops Trump has already sent to the border.

These include 1,500 flight hours logged by about 600 National Guard troops in Arizona since they were deployed this spring. Members of the guard have also repaired more than 1,000 Border Patrol vehicles and completed 1,000 hours of supply and inventory, according to Customs and Border Protection.

In one case, a group of Border Patrol agents tracking drug smugglers in the remote Arizona desert in August called on a National Guard helicopter to keep an eye on the suspects and guide agents on the ground until they had them in custody. That operation resulted in several arrests and the seizure of 465 pounds of marijuana.

O'Shaughnessy said there were about 1,000 troops already in Texas and that will grow to at least 1,800, likely by Wednesday. The deployments to Arizona and California will follow. All are going to staging bases in the states, and there are none at the border yet, he said.

It remains unclear why the administration was choosing to send active-duty troops given that they will be limited to performing the support functions the Guard already is doing.

The California National Guard has pledged up to 400 troops to the president’s border mission through March 31. Jerry Brown, the only Democratic governor in the four states bordering Mexico and a frequent Trump critic, conditioned his support on the troops having nothing to do with immigration enforcement or building border barriers.

Brown said the California troops would help fight transnational criminal gangs and drug and firearms smugglers.

In New Mexico, 118 Guard troops have been helping with vehicle maintenance and repair, cargo inspection operations, surveillance and communications.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott pledged 400 troops to the border in April. Maj. Gen. John Nichols, the head of the Texas National Guard, told Congress in July that his troops served in a "variety of support roles," including driving vehicles, security monitoring, and administration.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-...-border-can-do/

It's people who think like this that are the real issue at the border, er in America in general. You can't fix ^

Yeah - it's actually quite pathetic when you get down to it - that the mighty USA is threatened by a rag tag bunch of asylum seekers.

Everyone is interested in border security - no-one wants open borders. Illegal crossings is and has trended downwards for some time. No - not an emergency and to suggest that it is anything more than a political tool for Trump to rile up his base is fantasy.

And I never got around to mentioning Human Trafficking, Drug Smuggling and Gangs.

How much of this crap are you guys willing to defend as America tries to gain control of its Southern Border?

Shame on the Domestic Enemies of the United States of America!

Quite the deranged radical. smh

None of our intel agencies consider the southern border an issue big enough to make the list of imminent threats to the US. And when they told Trump North Korea could hit us with missles, Trump said "he didn't believe that, HE believed Putin" ... This is the guy trying to distract the fearful uneducated half of America with a border wall. It's a DISTRACTION.

I just do not agree with calling a National Emergency on this.

1. It’s a problem and yes it is a growing problem, but a “National Emergency”?
2. We are tacitly embracing the slippery slope of dictatorship with this type of crap.

The next time a Democrat president runs into resistance from congress, 100% they are going to try and use this as the “well Trump did it to build a wall, I am using it for (insert sanctimonious cause)”. A tit for tat that will not be good for the country. For being this self-proclaimed negotiator, he sure as hell got almost nothing from the negotiations.

Tell me OCD, I f one of these scumbags killed one of your, Pit or Portland's family members would it then become an emergency? Until then you are willing to take the high road.

So you deny that 10's of thousands enter illegally? Of course you don't. You deny that mega amounts of drugs entry?


No, you don't.

Either you are for illegal entry or you are not. They aren't entering though legal entry points, yet you buy that most drugs do......ok

What is it about illegal entry that floats your boat?


Tell me, because from your posts you sure seem in favor.



For me, I don't like not knowing who is entering the country.

I also don't like my tax dollars paying for them. It's not that I don't like them. I would rather my tax money aimed for the poor to go to citizens of this country.


So again, why are you in favor of illegal entry? I am curious.

I don't want some of your mambo jambo BS. Tell me you are against illegal entry, or explain to me why you are in favor.

Daman, they is no in between. You are in favor of law, or you aren't. Answer the question.

Tell me Duty, if one of whacko nut jobs that go into schools, malls, office buildings, public gatherings, etc and killed your family members in a mass shooting would it then become an emergency? Until then, are you willing to keep your head buried in the sand?

Did one kill one of your family members? Is that why you HATE SO MUCH? I think you hate so much because you like to.

To answer your ridiculous question, I would want anyone that killed a loved one to pay, most likely with their life and I'd probably want to be the one to take it. BUT I wouldn't blame everyone from their country or their race for what the individual did. <- that's called being rational.

No, being rational is not allowing the criminals to be here in the first place when you have the ability to stop them. People like you lack the will to do it because you have placed politics ahead of country.

People like you don't understand that the biggest threat to our safety is from w/in because you are to busy living a life based in hate of anyone who is not like you.

You can focus your attention elsewhere, but the majority of heinous crimes are committed by American citizens who seemingly attack their own.

White freaks who have been coddled their entire lives and spend more time playing video games than interacting w/their peers continue to commit mass murders. Blacks who continue to refuse to be educated and commit to improving their lot in life slay one another in record numbers.

Yet somehow, folks like you think the real danger is illegal immigrants.

The National Emergency lies w/in.

Fixed it for ya Now it's accurate.

I'm sure more Americans are killed by Americans than by ILLEGAL CRIMINALS. But the thing is many AMERICANS would be alive except they were killed by ILLEGAL CRIMINALS.Gun violence is a different subjject.

What if it's like the job issue and they're just stealing our murders?

Look - if you want to shift this discussion away from illegal immigration to American lives .... I have to think there are many many other areas where $8 Billion dollars could impact and saves thousands and thousands of more American lives than putting up a wall that won't get rid of the illegals already here and won't stop the illegals from entering the country.

Dang - just think what impact $8 Billion could have to help educate and prevent so many of the issues of - unwanted pregnancy - gun violence - drugs - healthy eating.....

i mean if your point is lives matter and we need to spend money to save US lives - over 300,000 deaths a year are attributed just to unhealthy diet and eating .... at the high end of data I see estimates that maybe 0.2% of that number (600) are deaths by illegals. Yes - every life does and should matter ... but if lives is your focus you are clearly barking up the wrong priority tree.

Or maybe you just switch track and run with whatever emotive topic the POTUS wants you to run with that week and you never stop and think for yourself?

He said he could wait, he said he didn't have to do it..

How is it an emergency

That's 100% incorrect. You're either in favor of upholding how the process of a national emergency works or you're not.

This will be the first time in history that a national emergency has been called for on a measure congress refused to finance. The first time in history a president has done an end around to fund a program congress refused to "fully fund".

It's the first time in history that a president has called for a national emergency and said, "I didn't really need to do this. I just wanted to do it faster."

Of all the people on this board, I thought it would be you to call out this sham for what it is. But just like so many on both sides of the political aisle it seems you no longer care about doing what's right to get what you want.

Donald Trump, "I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster…"

LMAO CHS

We need a Trump clock. One tick for each lawsuit filed against him or because of his actions, since his term started.

Trump knew th Libs would go running to the courts.

So he decided to give them the ammunition to prove there is no emergency with the words he said. You can't make this schtick up.

As they Should.

When a presidents claims there's an emergency and at the same time says it's not an emergency, somebody has to try to keep him honest. God knows the right doesn't care how much he lies about everything.

In all seriousness, was Katrina a national emergency?

Ironically, the south needs to read the good book.