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Ohio reintroduces 'heartbeat' abortion bill as new governor vows to sign it into law

When Ohio legislators in December passed the heartbeat bill, which would make abortions illegal once a fetal heartbeat can be detected, former Gov. John Kasich's refused to sign it into law.

But state legislators -- who came one vote short of overriding Kasich's veto -- are giving new life to the bill, which is expected to pass in March. Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a pro-life Republican, has already vowed he will "absolutely" sign the controversial legislation. The bill is being introduced in both houses by Republicans, in the state Senate by Kristina Roegner and in the House of Representatives by Ron Hood and Candice Keller.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-reintroduces-heartbeat-bill-with-new-pro-life-governor

Great News and a Shout Out for those innocents without a voice!

So I don't know a whole lot about this, but can't you detect a heartbeat as early as 5 weeks? My gf was five weeks when she tested positive and we went to the ob the next day.

Also, at planned parenthood, don't they do a heartbeat monitor/ultrsound? Or is it just the ultrasound? So if you went in early, at say, 6 weeks, to planned parenthood, would they essentially have to 'skip' the heartbeat monitor and just do the picture to make an abortion legal?

(These are honest questions. I'm pro-choice but anti-abortion, if that makes sense).

I don't know the details of the legislation.

Can you give me the details behind "I'm pro-choice but anti-abortion"?

Never heard that one before.

Makes perfect sense to me. You believe they should have the ability to choose if they want, but deep down you do not condone it. Here is how I look at it, I think at some point it's a baby and you are killing a person, at what point it becomes a baby is open to debate.

But my view is.....if there is a God and there are consequences for this behavior....I'm not the one going to hell, YOU ARE for having an abortion. That's your choice to make.

It means he is pro people having a choice. He personally wouldn’t chose it.
It’s fairly simple really and should be pretty much anyone’s stance. It’s mine under most circumstances.

Well, the bill will probably get blocked by court system, like other bills have been in North Dakota, Iowa and Arkansas.

But to answer your question, it would ban abortions after 5 weeks and just performing an ultrasound wouldn't be a way to get around the bill.

And yeah, your view on abortion is extremely common.

Well now T184, you can stop posting now that everyone speaks for you.

LOL

They hit the nail on the head. I'm pro people having a choice to do it, up to a certain point (I don't know the point, really. Like was mentioned earlier, at some point it does become a baby and not a fetus).

But personally? I could never advocate to a baby momma of mine to do it. I've fought against it before. I love all of my children no matter how 'inconvenient' it was.

Yours was your best answer.

My greatest blessing throughout my 60+ years of life has been all my children and now grandchildren.

No one would've mentioned it had you not been deliberately obtuse about it...

"Going to hell" doesn't work this way according to Christianity.

Although I think I've heard different "criteria":

1) If you ask God for forgiveness for your sins on your death bed, your ticket is punched. Period.

2) It might even be if you simply "believe in God" when you die, you're good to go. (little hazy on this one)

Doesn't matter how evil you were during your life. It doesn't matter if you committed horrific atrocities.

Conversely, if you're a morally good person who performed countless "good deeds" during your life and always acted with others in mind, but don't believe in God.

You're toast.



Religion (Christianity) needs to work on this concept.

Our mouths say many things over the course of a lifetime but God knows our hearts. Speak to He who is, not only from your mouth but from your heart.

Sounds as if you may be in big trouble.

Well, yeah. It's gotta be from the heart.

But, that doesn't explain why the "good non-christian person" should perish in eternal damnation.

This somehow needs to be bridged. Maybe it will. Maybe religion will make a comeback later this century.

Because in case you were unaware, most mainstream religions are tanking BIG-TIME right now. At least in the U.S.

And it's not just Sunday morning TV.

It does explain Global Warming though, as all those Libs burn under our feet.

Sign the bill DeWine! Great news for the innocent!

For the love of god, GM, learn to post gifs.

Don’t me Vers and I start wrecking the board again with gifs.

I'm lucky I can turn the computer on and off

Now get off my lawn

j/c

This will be decided by the SCOTUS just like other restrictions to abortion. They've already overturned several restrictive laws in other states. One such law was just overturned in Louisiana a little over a week ago.

Government by religious belief... don't the Taliban do that too?

I don't personally support abortion (the act), but I support the woman's right to choose. I don't want the US to be like Saudi Arabia, or other countries where women have no say over their own bodies.

What's next GOPers? Legalized rape because she dressed a certain way or smiled?

Why does it seem like folks who are for abortion always say those if us against it are against it only because of religion. Many people are against it just because they believe it is murder.

Not a person, not a murder. If you were never born, would you be a person?

The heartbeat law is if a heartbeat is detected it is proof of life. If you have a heart beat you are alive!

Hell yes it's a person.... how anyone can look at a 3D ultrasound of a baby even at 23 weeks and say it isn't a person isn't beyond me...

I'm one that believes life starts when the heart starts.... and having lost two girls at 12 ad 14 weeks I fully believe they were both my daughters....

To say a baby isn't a baby unless it's birthed is ignorant... a better argument is when that life.person starts... but it's a person well before birth...

Thomas Malthus said population growth will test the carrying capacity of planet earth. Before bible thumpers enact their will, remember how you treated your brother.

Any legislation against planned parenthood, and the right of a woman’s body. Is short sighted, and narrow minded. Population growth will prove this.

Controlling population thru killing the innocent is pure evil man! WOW!

I would have been before my death.

That's not hard to figure out,,.,

For instance, I'm not for abortion, but I don't think it's right for me to impose my beliefs on another person.

That makes me Pro Choice, but still anti abortion.

Exactly, in my youth I thought woman should have choice...not now, I've grown wiser. Women and men have choice-before the act on both sides.
We continue to MURDER thousands yearly- ain't we grand. And doctors who cut up babies just before their so called birth are the worst JMHO.
What's difference between a fertilized fish egg and a human egg- easy in my book, one is a human being- left along it's one of us.

It's a easy issue really, just we fallen mortals have really screwed it up. What's sacred if not human life.

...not your body, not your choice.

See. It is easy.

So then I would have to ask, are you against regular murder? Or do you feel that's you imposing your beliefs on somebody else?

The funny thing is that people accuse "conservatives" of being against science. Yet when it comes to the abortion issue, it seems those on the other side are the ones that want to ignore science and pretend that life doesn't begin until birth. I've seen videos of scientists and teacher who aren't even religious say that after they studied this kind of stuff, they became pro-life. A baby has a heartbeat and pretty much all major systems that a full-term baby has by Week 5. They have their own circulatory system, which in many cases has a blood type that is completely different than the mother, which could be poisonous to both baby or mother if they were connected. That's another human in there. So the people who say, "My body, my choice!" ... Well that's not your body, so should you really have a choice?

So to be clear, you there for believe people convicted of double homicide when they kill a pregnant woman (one count for her, one for the baby) are wrongfully convicted?

If I had the choice of being born into a bad situation and generally unwanted, or not being born, aborted, I’d chose not being born.

Sounds kind of young to be a nihilist... just sayin

Nope. A realist.

this is an absolutely ridiculous talking point, devil.

As someone who was born in a country that bans abortion, who was given to an orphanage the day I was released from the hospital. If I could travel back in time, I would 100% advocate for my own abortion. My biomother wanted nothing to do with me. She gave a fake name when admitted to the hospital. In the country she still had to sign off on my adoption for it to happen. Well, she couldn't be found. My parents sunk 3K dollars into local media trying to find her. Taking out ads anywhere they could. Well, she never showed, but the court granted my parents' the adoption anyway due to the circumstances. Well, I'm extremely grateful for my life, personally, I would find it very egotistical of me to force my mother to go through a pregnancy just to have nothing to do with me.

The following year the country severely restricted out of country adoptions. No one cares about the kids.

Yes, I think intent matters and it should. Quite frankly, if fetuses and zygotes are giving the protected status of human beings, then what happens during miscarriages ("spontaneous abortions") and still births? Do the women get charged in child negligence, accidental death or homicide? What about the father if the pregnancy is also his responsibility? It might sound crazy, because it is, however that doesn't stop places from having these laws. El Salvador locks up women who have stillbirths.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/28/opinion/stillborn-murder-charge.html

Those are cases in the US where women are charged with crimes relating to their miscarriage. And while I don't condone any of the women's behaviors that got them into their legal situations, my heart does extend out to them.

I'm assuming you mean my response to OCD about the double homicide charge?

I don't see how it's ridiculous at all considering how OCD and many others here who have his position talk about people being locked up for things they didn't do, or for things not that serious.

His premise is that it's not a person, so it's intentional killing is not murder.

So if a dude goes nuts, shoots her in the stomach because he doesn't want it to be born, what's the difference between he and what an abortionist does? (aside from method of course)

Because the woman intended to give birth? Give birth to waht exactly? A person? But its not that.. so what? Property? Ok, name one other property crime that can get you 25 to life?

Or are we going to go with the idea that the woman makes the decision as to whether or not it's a actually "person"?

It's a serious question. Is it right to charge a person with murder of a person if what they murdered is not a person? Pretty simple I think.