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A project for all. I will also put mine in the mix as well.

We pick at #17 we wish to express who/what that pick will be.

The only REALITY check way to get there is to determine our thoughts on the top 17 in this draft.

Make a list in projected order - Not of the draft but of your desire to pick at #17 if he is there.

For example you can start with:
1. Nick Bosa
2. Quinnen Williams

Even though we know both will be gone by the time we step up to the podium well our pick getting to the Podium!

Obviously we will not put in a QBs name when making our list of 17 I think that might just be the only one position eliminated from the first 3 rounds of the draft. So that when we make a list of MAN If this guy is there when we pick we take him.
We can be assured that ONE on that LIST will be available when the time comes.

What would be great is when the actual draft is here. We eliminate # 1 and #2 shown above that at 17 when we pick #8 on our list is still there...We are shouting from the rafters to take him!

ONE of OUR 17 Will most likely be on our Roster come May!

Go at it. Thanks in advance for giving it a go. Please no agenda stuff. Just make your list of 17 and in order of preference.

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Great idea Eo smile

Here's my effort - I'll go to 13 as I expect 3 QBs and a RB to go, perhaps...plus i'm not superstitious

1) Quinnen Williams
2) Nick Bosa
3) Byron Murphy
4) Brian Burns
5) Ed Oliver
6) Jachai Polite
7) Josh Allen
8) Cody Ford
9) Christian Wilkins
10) Jonah Williams
11) Deionte Thompson
12) TJ Hockenson
14) Nasir Adderley

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Again way too early for some final ASSumptions. Right now I don't see QB being big moves in this draft. Possibly ONE goes before our pick Not 3. Again its just February.
This time of the year, RG3 was being discussed as a 2nd round pick. Its a position that is OVER RATED because of rarity and NEED like no other position in the game. So who knows who rises. Wentz in February was there inclusion of top 3 pick at this time?

But I don't know if we will see 3 QBs taken in the entire first round. Depends where the first one gets taken and how many teams such as us without the NEED is out there after the first QB is taken.

If you have time - for the heck of it, add 3 more. Thank you for your response. Some names there I don't really recognize as I'm just starting to research, so you have given me a list to look into. thumbsup


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Andy Isabella. Trade up to #1.

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I think 4 QBs go in the first round - not sure where, though.

1. Haskins
2. Lock
3. Murray
4. Jones

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Again way too early for some final ASSumptions. Right now I don't see QB being big moves in this draft. Possibly ONE goes before our pick Not 3. Again its just February.
This time of the year, RG3 was being discussed as a 2nd round pick. Its a position that is OVER RATED because of rarity and NEED like no other position in the game. So who knows who rises. Wentz in February was there inclusion of top 3 pick at this time?

But I don't know if we will see 3 QBs taken in the entire first round. Depends where the first one gets taken and how many teams such as us without the NEED is out there after the first QB is taken.

If you have time - for the heck of it, add 3 more. Thank you for your response. Some names there I don't really recognize as I'm just starting to research, so you have given me a list to look into. thumbsup


No worries - I actually had a hard time nailing it down after 4 or 5 to be honest, I ain't no draft guru sadly. Here's my full list:

1) Quinnen Williams
2) Nick Bosa
3) Byron Murphy
4) Brian Burns
5) Ed Oliver
6) Jachai Polite
7) Josh Allen
8) Cody Ford
9) Christian Wilkins
10) Jonah Williams
11) Deionte Thompson
12) TJ Hockenson
14) Nasir Adderley
15) Chris Lindstrom
16) Clelin Ferrell
17) Jeffery Simmons
18) Kelvin Harmon

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My pick is the best D player available ... get there by waiting to see whose there at #17 and then TRUST THE KING ... thumbsup

I have no clue who the best D player will be at that point ...

I don’t know enough about the individual players to talk intelligently about who i like and/or dislike .. and 1/2 the first round will be over by the time we pick .. WHO KNOWS what GEMS may drop to us ..

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So your theory is to base the #17 pick on need and not BPA?


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
So your theory is to base the #17 pick on need and not BPA?


I don't know about Diam, but my theory is to take BPA where BPA best intersects with Need.


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Since the free agency signing period hasn't even begun yet, I don't feel anyone has any real idea what our needs will be come draft time.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
So your theory is to base the #17 pick on need and not BPA?


Ya Memph ... err Pit .. thats what i’m Saying ... rolleyes

I’ll play, I’ll be device ..

Are u saying if BPA at #17 is a QB we should take one? ... wink ....

And yes .. if its between a WR or RB vs a DLman/LBer or CB ... YOUR DAMM SKIPPY ... thumbsup

Unless we get 2 or 3 DLman a good RUN STUFFING LBer or a couple corners ... YA I WANT D ...

Now if its the difference between Megatron and say a Booty Calhoun type DB or say a Carl Nassib type DE ... then ya ... i’d Go BPA ... naughtydevil ...

WHAT PURP SAID works for me ... and i see no way we fill all our holes on D in FA ...




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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
So your theory is to base the #17 pick on need and not BPA?


I don't know about Diam, but my theory is to take BPA where BPA best intersects with Need.



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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Since the free agency signing period hasn't even begun yet, I don't feel anyone has any real idea what our needs will be come draft time.


Yup. Which leaves two options: Don't discuss the Draft at all, or discuss based on our perceived needs as they stand right now smile


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I mean the world might end rendering all draft mocks redundant to a degree....

I took the post at face value. As it stands. With what I now opine bearing in mind 5 monkeys with typewriters would probably draft better than myself.

We all know life changes in a heartbeat but I struggle to see the need not to entertain the options. For shoots and jiggles.

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1.) Nick Bosa

2.) Quinnen Williams

3.) Greedy Williams

4.) Devin White


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1 Quinnen Williams
2 Jeffery Simmons
3 Christian Wilkins
4 Nick Bosa
5 Devin White
6 Ed Oliver
6 Deandre Baker
8 Rashan Gary
9 Charles Omenihu
10 Clelin Ferrell
11 Dexter Lawrence
12 Greedy Williams
13 Byron Murphy
14 Josh Allen
15 Montez Sweat
16 Andre Dillard
17 Trayvon Mullen

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When I got to 15 and realized only 2 players were on the offensive side I decided to stop. Seriously, 13 of the top 15 in the draft can't be defense...can it?

Nick Bosa; DE; Ohio State
Quinnen Williams; DT; Alabama
Josh Allen; OLB; Kentucky
Jonah Williams; OT; Alabama
Ed Oliver; DT; Houston
Greedy Williams; CB; Louisiana State
Jeffrey Simmons; DT; Mississippi State
Devin White; LB; Louisiana State
Clelin Ferrell; DE; Clemson
DeAndre Baker; CB; Georgia
Rashan Gary; 3/4E; Michigan
Dwayne Haskins; QB; Ohio State
Christian Wilkins; DT; Clemson
Deionte Thompson; S; Alabama
Byron Murphy; CB; Washington

My picks remain; Jeffrey Simmons (if available) and Christian Wilkins if not.

Then agian, I actually LIKE this year's group of 3 tech's (the only DT on the list I don't care for is Gary, but he is an athletic freak and could become a special player in the league (if he has the drive for it)


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So your theory is to base the #17 pick on need and not BPA?
But except for QB EVERY position is a position of need


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Honestly if I tried to do this it would be BS.

I have not studied this draft other than seeing names in some mocks. I don't know the players.

What I have done is to look at some mocks and see who is projected from slot ten to slot 20.

Two players that I have seen have been projected in that range.

Devin White and DK Metcalf.

Devin White. It has been told he's consistently running (the 40-yard dash) in the 4.4s and that will create some attention.

When you watch film on him. He looks like he is moving and everybody else is in slow motion. For the Browns he is the guy I want. He would help our defense tremendously.

Metcalf. I don't know what will happen in free agency. Perriman is still unsigned.

Metcalf is that type of receiver who can do a lot. He has the speed, size, and vertical leap to take the ball away from smaller defenders. He has the hands as well. Route running and the finer points will come.

Both these guys have "impact player" written all over them.

Both could be there at 17. Both may require moving up 5 slots.

I would happy with either guy.

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BS. Bone its all BS if we try to talk about "WHO" we pick...cause we don't pick at all!

The premise of this thread is to create a list of players that WOULD Guarantee ONE or more would be available when we actually do draft. So that we can be a little REALISTIC cause it hard as one will covet so and so and they are not there not even close cause we covet a great player.

It just harder than before because a best season for us had us picking at #7 of late.

So we easily can create a top 5, 6, or 7 to realistically have one available. So its harder to pick a top 17.

Here, I will go to a respected site in their rankings and because I'm ignorant can put in 17 and the only position not included would be QB. From the list I can educate my ignorance. So if you are unable to make a list go to your favorite site and list their top 17 excluding the QBs.


Nick Bosa DE 6-3, 265 4.75 Ohio State JR
Quinnen Williams DT 6-3, 295 4.95 Alabama RSO
Josh Allen OLB 6-4, 250 4.70 Kentucky SR
Greedy Williams CB 6-1, 180 4.50 LSU RSO
Clelin Ferrell DE 6-4, 260 4.70 Clemson JR
Ed Oliver DT 6-2, 290 4.95 Houston JR
Jeffery Simmons DT 6-3, 305 5.00 Mississippi State JR
Rashan Gary DE 6-4, 280 4.65 Michigan JR
Christian Wilkins DT 6-2, 300 5.05 Clemson SR
Byron Murphy CB 5-11, 175 4.45 Washington RSO
Montez Sweat OLB 6-6, 245 4.75 Mississippi State SR
Andre Dillard OT 6-5, 310 5.10 Washington State SR
Deandre Baker CB 5-11, 180 4.45 Georgia SR
Deionte Thompson FS 6-0, 215 4.50 Alabama JR
Devin White LB 6-0, 245 4.55 LSU JR
Jerry Tillery DT 6-4, 310 5.25 Notre Dame SR
DK Metcalf WR 6-4, 230 4.60 Mississippi RSO


There some food for thought:
1. 15 defensive players
2. 2 offensive players
3. First 11 players on defense.
4. Outside of QB which there were 2 in the top 10 but excluded for us. The first was as #12 and OT...and the last added as I eliminated QBs was the infamous DK Metcalf.

Just somewhere to start with.

And those who stopped themselves because they were heavily numbered for Defense: You actually are more right than wrong. Cause it appears defense is where this draft is. So any QB (the more the better) RB, WR, taken before our pick the better defensive player will be available for us to pick.

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Quinnen Williams
Nick Bosa
Brian Burns
Montez Sweat
Josh Allen
Jeffery Simmons
Ed Oliver
Charles Omenihu
Jawaan Taylor
Cody Ford
Christian Wilkins
Clelin Ferrell
Rashan Gary
DreMont Jones
Jerry Tillery
Amani Oruwariye
DK Metcalf

This exercise definitely highlighted my need for a more methodical system, and also the fact that I'm probably not ever going to take the time to do so-- definitely would be a full time job.


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Best Defensive player available.

Are there any decent WR's in this draft????

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Look at the WR thread. But honestly I think we are in the best WR position that we have been in a long time.

Also now with Baker a lot of FA beckoning to come here unlike the past.


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I'll comment later, but I don't know enough about this draft to speak w/any sort of intelligence. I'm at a point where I only know a lot about a handful of players because they really impressed me when I watched them. I don't even know where others have them ranked.

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It's hard for me to do this, but I do know a QB will go in the top 15. Haskins to the Giants. Denver will probably go QB as well.


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The more the better. As each QB gets taken (hopefully a run early) and usually the early teams picking have a need. But the more obviously drops another top positional talent to us at #17.

Vers: most of us normally start looking into the draft around game 8...sad but true. This year we had excitement and knowledge that we not only won 1 game and then 2..but a total of 7 games. That our investigation into the draft, highly motivated by discussion on QBs. So Ignorance has taken over, not only expressed by you. But others such as Bonefish and more but he sticks out for me as he was in the forefront of QB searching over the years.

Now we have the task of searching, not for just talent but PIECES for our systems. NEW SYSTEMS that we don't quite know as fans backward to forward.

So in the discussion of WR. I know one thing we will continue to do is Spread the offense and CREATE SPACE. So when I look into something like adding a WR. I don't look into the first round cause that will probably be utilized on a defensive player and We MUST DO SO cause as this thread has shown one thing...At an alarming rate Defense will be chosen, so much so that the level of talent just won't be there as hoped by the time we pick in the 2nd n 3rd rounds.

So I don't know WHO but the consensus here and wisely so is to choose BPA with the Defense in mind at #17.

Now in discussion (every year and I don't know why) we are looking to add an elite type WR, in my opinion stated often is that we need 5 good (great hands) WRs that are hard workers willing to block for each other and understand the need of accurate route running. That is what makes Championships.

I also think we should include Njoku and Duke into the WR fray as right now that is who they are.

But when I look at WRs. I like a kid who is 6'1" 230 lbs and at this moment is a 4.5 speed guy. The kid is build like a RB if you look at his body, so freaking solid, AJ Brown. That is the kid I envision catching the ball in space created by our system. The damage he can do - his body looks familiar I can't exactly remember who he reminds me of in the past. Possibly the kid from Ohio State who for a couple of seasons was the greatest talent and then he for some reason went into Body Building and ruined his WR career. Maybe it was him, NO now I remember who he reminds me of.

STERLING SHARPE, of the Green Bay Packers!

Anyway what this thread has done for me is wake me up to the process at hand. I strongly suggest you go to your favorite site, eliminate the QBs in the top 17 ratings. Add 1, 2 or 3 of the next rated players to replace those QBs and then commence your investigation on those players. just a suggestion only cause it worked for me.

As we know we got who we watched over the season from the NCAA games. But those who we don't have knowledge of we utilize stats and high lite film - and if possible, GAME Film.

For me the kid I remember the most that impressed me due to who I watched over the college season was: Marquise Brown of the Sooners and Jerry Jeudy of Alabama. I don't think the latter is entering the draft. But kids like AJ Brown I've discovered via the stat and You Tube route.

So this thread which is early in some dogs minds as like you they just haven't gotten into the draft as in years past.

Its turning out to be a good place and venue to start!

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I agree there is likely to be a run on top tier DL talent in round one of this draft. Of course, I want one of those players. But I just want to address one small thing you said in your post. There are some guys that will probably be available in round two and later that should have good careers. At the top of that list for me is Ranell Wren, AZ St.; Charles Ohmenihu, TX; Willis III, Miami; Dre'Mont Jones, OSU and Khalen Saunders as a mid-round pick too. If we get a high profile stud in round one I'd try to get Saunders by round 4.

BTW, when I was reading your WR description and before I saw your comparison to Sharpe, Dez Bryant was the guy I was thinking of as a comparison.

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Please feel free on going on a tangent...just remember this word of advice. DO so but always end with something on par with the thread. wink


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Are u saying if BPA at #17 is a QB we should take one? ... wink ....




I suppose that would be a question I'd ask. Although unlike last year, I'm not sure there are any QBs in the top 17 players in this draft, so the point is moot. I really like Hockenson. We could actually trade back perhaps and still get him...

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Can only ASSume (learned that cap spelling from you...lol laugh ) that this was a response by Pit who I guess was talking about strict BPA?

Are u saying if BPA at #17 is a QB we should take one?

Again I don't think you were responding to me but since its the my THREAD with explained Parameters.

We clearly have our Franchise QB even those who don't think so have to admit DORSEY our Personnel leader thinks so.

I stated make that top 17 rated Football Players either via your studying which 17 is quite a bit more studying than our usual draft slot. Or take a respected draft site of yours and utilize their top 17 ranking of players but eliminate the QBs in that 17 and add the 18th or 19th pending on how many QBs you take out.

Just clarifying for all posters on this thread. Its theory is simple and logical. I'm guilty of it as I might want us to take... Nick Bosa for example which is an exaggeration but to make a point, Bosa. Its unrealistic as we are 99% sure that said talent will be chose well before our pick.

So to eliminate that unrealistic choice. I've actually asked us to do this with every draft. Last year top 4 and we covered two of our picks. This year as stated #17 its very hard to perceive REALITY cause of where we are picking.

So this is to get all into a sense of reality of WHO will be AVAILABLE for us in this draft. I personally found that it got me off on a good direction in starting my investigation of this draft. Like many of us this draft just doesn't have the desperation in the draft process cause of the inroads we made last season and for the first time in a while we don't have a top 10 pick and also we don't have more than 2 picks total in the first 2 rounds.

Mentally I'm more worked up about the FA Market than the Draft prospects.

I know you are a smart guy so you most likely know all this.
Just re-clarifying my thread so that maybe it will get to page 3 before it saunters off to multiple directions. The best thing about the draft forum this year. In the past ALL roads had eventually led to QB posts...lol not this year wink ergo multiple directions!


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Having a hard time thinking who I'd want.. The guys that flash in front of me I think are all expected to be gone by the time we draft...


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Thanks for solidifying my theory of 17 prospects either by your own investigating or by using one or more sites which rank their prospects. This way you can get to a realistic place on who you want when we pick...I would think 13-17 on the list could be available. But one thing would be assured..at least ONE on that list is going to be there, if lucky more than one!


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Nope, I didn't post that. So you ASSumed wrong.


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Nope, I didn't post that. So you ASSumed wrong.


Did so incorrectly due to the REPLY being to your name but could have just been the last read he made.

Btw its not a bad thing if anything it was a weak argument against anyone who stated that they were strictly wishing BPA...QB would be an automatic to exclude QB in that and possibly also RB considering we got Duke, Chubb and Hunt in our RB fold.


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I certainly see your point. But the point I was actually trying to make was that at #17 people seem to be totally focused on DL. By the time we get to #17 that may not be where the best talent is. I think when you focus on one or two positions you can overlook much better talent.

What I look for to happen is that Dorsey will sign FA's at positions of need that it won't force his hand to reach at any one position. If the BPA dictates we address the DL at #17 I certainly think we will. But I don't see us going into the draft in a position where Dorsey will feel the need to.


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Players I think that might be available at #17 that I would consider are:

DT Christian Wilkins - Clemson
DT Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
LB Devin Bush - Michigan
CB DeAndre Baker - Georgia
CB Byron Murphy - Washington
OG/OT Cody Ford - Oklahoma


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Unless I'm totally ignorant I usually when talking draft and especially in the first 2 rounds don't generalize and say best DT available.

I get what you are saying. Why take the 4th chosen DT in the draft as opposed to the FIRST Safety...why I keep looking for possible RT guys. Cause although the draft do not separate the two. I DO. Teams are looking at the rare LT pick. Me I'm thinking well this guy might be the 3rd OT now in the draft. But to me cause he is more of a Beast than technique type. He is more apt to be 330 than 305 he is more apt to be 5.3 40 than 4.95. So he is passed up because he is not in the top 2-3 for LT. But I would jump at the BEST RT candidate at #17 hey even though passed up for LT does not mean he doesn't have Pass Pro skills but I would take OK Pass Pro skills if combined with Run blocking BEAST! After all we could run right at that pass rushing guy on his side and beat his ass down to submission wink

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I'm hoping for defense in the first few rounds. We could use upgrades at any spot. DT is obviously the biggest hole imo. I'll assume we keep Robinson, Higgins and Perriman. Picks subject to change if not.

1-Q. Williams DT Alabama
2-Nick Bosa DE tOSU
3-C. Wilkins DT Clemson
4-Ed Oliver DT Houston
5-Josh Allen Edge/OLB Kentucky
6-Devin White LB LSU
7-R. Gary DT/DE Michigan

I'd be pretty pumped if we landed any of those 1st seven, but it's unlikely.

8-10....Montez Sweat Edge Mississippi St
Brian Burns Edge Florida St
Clelin Ferrell Edge Clemson

-Can't decide on an order for these three, but they're all good and worthy of a 1st round pick.

11-TJ Hockenson TE Iowa
Probably seems crazy having a TE this high on the list, but this kid is going to be really good. He can do it all. We use a lot of 2 and 3 TE sets. He's a big upgrade over Fells, DeValve, Charles.

12-14
Greedy William's CB LSU
Deandre Baker CB Georgia
Byron Mullen CB Washington

At worst one of these guys is our 5th DB, which is very important. That would mean they're better than Carrie, Boddy-Calhounn and Kindred, but hopefully better than Mitchell.

15-17
Jonah Wiilliams OT Alabama
Cody Ford OT Oklahoma
Jawaan Taylor OT Florida

If Greg Robinson isn't resigned I'd probably ranked them 1-3

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Oh man if Gary is there at 17 (not a chance) I hope we RUN TO GIVE OUR Pick in. I've heard from some that they think he is the BEST PLayer in the draft.

Size and speed combo none better! Said that he doesn't have much taught to him so his upside is greatest once coached up!

But thank you for your picks. 15-17 OTs who do you think is the best RT...some Pass Pro skills but a beast in Run blocking. Good Footwork.

I really think that Harrison will progress more than anyone is thinking. Shame we don't have Wilies only for the knowledge on who we got. But Harrison is going to be the big surprise with a good off season of proper conditioning. Regardless if we sign Robinson or not I think Harrison will be starting. So that is why I'm saying RT also for the fact a good LT will go fast but. We might be able to get the FIRST True RT prospect in the draft. Looking at 320+ who have good feet and decent speed. Under 5.3 in 40 but from there look at Broad Jump for explosion also 10 yd spit in the 40 run and other speed oriented drills. Then have a good workout in his visit to Berea!

Of course if there is a steal at 17 take the steal.

There will be a good TE probably at 17 the guy I like is Irv Smith not many stats. But watched a lot of Alabama - runs good routes and has good hands but best yet the kid is willing and CAN Block!

CB would that be Byron Murphy not Mullen? He is fast. But Greedy is going to come off first I think just as fast and 6'2" making him rare. 2nd season with off season conditioning will add some muscle to Greedy and get him thicker and maybe faster.

Did we keep our Strength and Conditioning coaches or did we get new ones. I love what they have done to Devalve and curious to what they have done with Harrison. Who played his college games around 275 but added weight for the draft but too much weight in such little time. Not the proper conditioning.

But Greedy has Pro Bowl quality written all over him and he might be one of the few I would think about moving up if he's there at 10???

I am hoping for some FA D help and talking Premium 1st tier guys.

As mentioned Clowney, Lawrence if they aren't tagged DE 2nd choices but still 1st tier is Ford and Clark.

DT for me its Sheldon Richardson who will be available...I think here he will find a home and become the stud he is destined for. Like his age plus talent.

Safety I love Landon Collins but hear that Giants are thinking of tagging him. But another young talent that is under rated.

But CBs there is not much out there in studs for FA possibly Darby??? But I like 2nd tier such as Desir.

So in the draft I like Greedy and why I say he's the only one I would move up for in the draft.

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