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Dude didn’t allow a sack but he did have 6 holds .... he played way better than Harrison did the last 4 weeks he played ... but this dude still has holes in his game ...

I’d also love to know how much help him and Hubbard got from TE’s chipping or staying into block and becoming a safety valve ... I know Njoku seemed to have a catch or two a game over the last 3 or 4 games where he was the safety valve ... he was clearly helping someone on the OL ...

I’m THRILLED we signed him ... my hope as i said earlier is that Harrison takes a bunch of steps forward and make Robinson a flex player filling in at LT and RT in case of injury ...

Reminds me of Higgins and all the love he gets .. and again .. i want us to resign Higgins ... but IMO folks overrate him on here ... Higgins is just another guy ... i do love the fact he catches the dang ball ..

I don't know about this one. It's not like it's the other team's fans evaluating players. The pro scouts are paid to evaluate players across the league.

Consider that Robinson played well once he entered the lineup and that the Browns graded out as the second best OL in the league [as of week 17] by PFF. Also consider that Robinson was drafted 2nd overall coming out of college. I think we should consider that he is also very young. I don't think teams automatically think he is garbage because he struggled early on in his career.

I'm not saying he could have gotten a better offer, but this is very, very early in the process. It seems as if he should have waited awhile and tested the waters. You know, like Perriman is apparently doing.

I'm kinda glad it's a one year deal. We get a chance to see if he is a LT, RT or a fluke and we get another year to evaluate Harrison.

What's really interesting is Dorsey specifically stated he was looking for a multi year deal. I wonder what changed that convo.

Do we know how much he signed for?

I think LT is our weakest position on the line. Robinson struggled at times, a few penalties here and there, but the overall play of our line was decent. Hope it works out.

And Austin Corbett/Joel Bitonio. We don't know how that's going to shake out yet (or if LT is even in the cards for either of them, though if 2018 is any indication, neither will be LT). Plus this draft and next years. I know this year's isn't deep in studs, but is great for depth and potential starters. Not sure about next years. The one year deal makes a ton of sense to me.

our offensive line was “decent”??? really?? how good would our line have to perform to be a little better than “decent”? let’s see, during the 8 weeks or so this line was together baker was sacked 5 times and had 9 pressures. that is 9 pressures. I am not certain how 5 sacks compares to others but the next best line during that time gave up 27 pressures, 300% more pressures. that strikes me as way better than “decent”. versatile posted that our line was rated second behind the Steelers line. second best line in the nfl seems pretty good to me, way better than “decent”.

greg Robinson suffers from the same problem that Cincinnati Reds catchers had who followed Johnny Bench. they just could not measure up to the greatest catcher of all time. joe is one of the greatest of all time at left tackle and Greg cannot measure up to that. but he has been a solid left tackle for those eight games and hopefully that will continue next season. we should be celebrating this oline as a strength of our team.

interesting thought, joe t is one of the greatest of all time. during his years I wonder how many seasons our line was rated as highly as this line last year? we need to direct our resources to areas of weakness not areas of strength unless the next joe t becomes available.

I know our oline was helped by baker’s qb play. but what matters is they kept him clean and they opened holes for our rb to rush for 1000. what more can we ask of them??

J/C

If it is indeed a one year deal, that's an incredible signing for Dorsey. The Browns give Robinson, who turns 27 in November, opportunity to earn a long-term contract. At the same time, he gives the Browns another year to develop talent, with Harrison and likely a rookie coming in.

Great job by Dorsey.

I guess you must have missed the games when Higgins was injured, because it was obvious at that time, we really missed him.

I would agree with you that the optics of this is a more favorable situation for Dorsey and Browns than for the Robinson camp. In some ways, this reminds me of the Pryor signing, in that he ended up settling for a one-year prove it contract. There was no large sample size with Pryor as a successful WR beyond his one year, and frankly, there is no large sample size of Robinson being a good LT outside of last year. If Robinson would struggle or get injured, he'll be back to square one.

Maybe he signed because he is happy in Cleveland; maybe he signed because his agent told him he can't get anything better in the market come FA; maybe he signed for that "I proved it" contract in 2020, but again, this one year deal after just one year of good play seems like another situation of a player taking on more risk than the team. So for us, that's a good thing.

Another What-if scenario...what if Dorsey drafts a LT with #17 (or even in the 2nd Round) and he beats Robinson out in camp? That's GREAT for us but a bad scenario for Robinsons whose playing would ultimately go to zilch, unless they move him to RT which I guess is a realistic possibility.

I guess I simply don't view this as a good thing for Robinson but clearly a friendly deal for the Browns.

Correct.

The #Browns are giving LT Greg Robinson a 1-year deal worth up to $9M including play-time incentives, source said. $7M base value. A nice deal for both sides, one that could lead to a long-term relationship in Cleveland if Robinson continues this trajectory.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1100437242756116484

More money than he's worth per year for another year of evaluation. I can dig it.

ranked bottom, paid in the middle. Good thing its only a year. He has to perform or its back to the bad money

7M is a bargain for your starting LT

for the 63 out of 65th ranked tackle in the league, i wouldn't call it a bargain..nor is it a bargain for a starter necessarily. Its better than average

https://overthecap.com/position/left-tackle/2018/

I think we have to be careful w/how much weight we put on the PFF grades. Many of us, myself included, use PFF as a source of information. However, I would never say their rankings are gospel.

I related that they had the Browns second in o-line rankings, but I wonder if we're better than the Saints, Pats, Rams, and Colts?

I remember when PFF had John Hughes, yes that John Hughes, as the top-ranked d-lineman in the league.

I think their secondary grades are out of whack. I think they place too much emphasis on interceptions and don't pay enough attention to guys who were out of position when they blow a coverage.

Thus, I wonder why they had Robinson so low? I watch a lot of football and there is no way in my mind that Robinson played that poorly. Not even close. Hell, did anyone watch a Cardinal game? A Vikings game? A Giants game?

I am not saying Robinson is great, but I don't agree w/their ranking.

... your hysterical ... very funny ... man .. u got me ...

Well lets see ... when we lost Higgins ... Josh was all ready gone I believe ... Willies got hurt that week in practice .... so we had a WR room of:

VG ... only real reliable one at that point ...

- Calloway ... a rusty ass rookie ...
- Ratley ... possibly the first game he was active for ... and a rookie ...

AND ... AND ...

Perriman had signed the week after Higginswent down .. s there was him ..

And then we had Streeter still I think ...

Ya ... he was missed ... *L* ...

If u think he’s more than just another guy and is something special ... fine by me ... its your opinion ... i like him and want him RE-signed but he brings nothing special to the table ..

Saying we missed him as a reason that he’s special with the WR room we had at that point is a joke ...

We also had the dysfunctional duo at the height of their dysfunction .... things worked out well for Freddie in the WR room ...

He got Higgins back, Perriman was starting to be incorporated and Calloway had knocked most of the rust off by then ...

IT WAS A PERFECT STORM ...

Like i said Fla. ... i hope we re-sign him .. but if we don’t ... i won’t ;one any sleep over it ..

This is all moot anyhow ... we’ll tag him if we don’t sign him to a 3 or 4 year deal ...

He’ll be back..one way or the other ...

1 year deal seems to make sense at this juncture. I guess we want to see if Harrison makes a leap; Robinson was pretty decent last 8 games all truth be told, he passes my very uneducated eye test as Baker didn't get much of a mitt laid on him. Baker is pretty good though....caveat emptor

That's exactly it. Ball's in our court. We'll be tagging him either way. Especially with this FA class being so weak.

But I will say, it did seem like losing Higgins really hurt us last year. He had great chemistry with Baker. He figured that one out quick. Develop a repetoire with Baker, because he's the best and the cream rises to the top

- MemphisBrownie

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Teams value their own players over free agents because they know how they work with the coaching staff and how hard they work (in general). If Robinson were to go to a different team he'd have to start all over.

I am glad we signed Robinson to a one year contract. I hope he can continue to progress and we sign him for more years next off-season.

I'm digging the contract. $7 mil for a starting LT is a bargain. $7 mil for a starting RT is about right. $7 mil for a fluke is digestible on a 1 year deal. If he plays lights out, he gets $9 mil and it is still a good deal for a LT.

I thought Robinson looked pretty good, but I view him more as a RT than a LT. Maybe I'm wrong, but he did seem to have a tendency to grab the speed rushers a little too often for my taste. He can handle the bull rushers all day long though. I'm really hoping that Harrison hit the gym hard and wins the LT job and we move Robinson over to the right and upgrade the RT spot.

One of the knocks on Dorsey is that he tended to overpay guys who were his guys in the past. So far I'm not seeing any evidence of that here. It's still early, but his contract negotiation skills seem fine to me and it should only get easier for him when more guys want to play for Cleveland.

I am not sure how much we are disagreeing, but my point is that it may have behooved him to at least field some offers before signing.

Regardless, I'm glad we have him under contract for a year. Good news for the Browns.

Agreed. Getting to the open market is usually never a bad thing.



Also agreed.

j/c:

Hmmmm...seems apparent that we want to keep him motivated and active, not 'lazy'. Might just be the ticket to see him finally achieve his potential and draft status.

This interesting for the priorities the Browns set for him. Kind of easy to see how much money you can leave on the table by slacking. Pretty generous too.

I think that's probably due to his history of slacking. Keep that carrot in front of him

I think that's a great deal if he plays like he did last year.

If not I could see Dorsey stuffing boxes of Little Debbie Cakes in to his locker.