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Old man porn..... ew

*LOL* ...

Yup ... thats a great comparision ... SPOT ON ... ...

U got me once again there menZa ... ...

*L* ... ya ... he should beheld accountable for his contributions to human trafficking even though he didnt know it was going to human trafficking ...

LOGICAL ... go talk to eve .... u guys are on the same wave length here ...

0 + 0 = 0 DAWG ... the math here is obviously way to complicated for U and Eve on this one ..

Have fun ...

See u on the football side ..

I think you've lost it, mentally, on this topic.

I imagine there's a good chance that Kraft justifiably couldn't careless.

What are they gonna do? Take away his birthday?

By the way, there's undoubtedly a lot more to this story.

I'm sure Kraft could have a very fun relationship with any number of smart, personable, honest and of course gorgeous women.

And I mean in addition to just sex.

I know I could if I had a billion dollars.

Yes, if you shoot a gun in the air without the intention of shooting someone and that bullet hits somebody, just tell the prosecutor he shouldn't press any charges. I mean you had no idea that bullet would kill someone, right?

So since you didn't know it, that's not your fault.

His money went to a human trafficking ring. He's a celebrity. So his name is out there. Poor Robert Kraft....

If you buy weed and it comes from a Mexican cartel, it's not your fault you're supporting a Mexican cartel. Cause you didn't know where it came from, right?



You're a funny guy.

Well hell yeah! Those kind of women are everywhere at a hooker spa!

Well, Yeah.

He's a billionaire, right?

What's he doing there?

There's gotta be a lot more to this story.

Because this story makes it look like Kraft has lost a few marbles.

You are arguing degrees. If I'm out in the woods target shooting and accidentally hit a hiker who I didn't know was 100 yards behind my target, I will be held accountable... but not in the same way as if I put the gun to the base of his skull and pulled the trigger.

All we know to this point is that Kraft performed a sex act with a prostitute.. that's a pretty minor thing. If she was underage, that's another thing.. if she was part of a sex trafficking ring and doing it against her will, that's still another thing... and if he KNEW all that and did it anyway, well that's a worst case scenario kind of thing...

Ok, I’ll say it, why is prostitution illegal to begin with? Is it a safety, moral, religious high ground issue? I mean, most every person likes to have sex. Why not make it a legal business?

I would think if it was legal, you would see a serious reduction in human trafficking, maybe even a slight reduction in rape cases. Just spitballing here.

Reports I heard on the radio suggested some of the girls were underage.

Why was the massage parlor under surveillance?

This case was part of a larger crackdown on a human trafficking ring in the South Florida region, police said. According to TCPalm.com, affidavits obtained last week indicated that employees at Orchids of Asia were living at the parlor and were trapped there as part of the trafficking ring. Many of them are from China, according to the report.

What is Kraft's legal jeopardy?

The charge is punishable with up to 60 days in jail, six months of probation and $500 in fines, according to Florida law.

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Kraft is reportedly worth more than $6 BILLION according to Forbes, a fortune that stems from a paper-manufacturing conglomerate, which includes the Rand-Whitney Group.

The average cost per visit for services was $59 for half an hour and $79 per hour, according to police.

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There is so much wrong with this story, I don't even know where to begin. It appears to me Kraft is trying to self destruct. Or, he is simply a moron.

Why would men want to have sex w/women who don't shower?

As far as the rest of the thread.............I'll wait until more facts come out before I issue some huge moral judgement.

I want to know who the bigger fish is.

j/c..

NY Times article on the story....

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/sport...pgtype=Homepage

LMBO. We're in lockstep with those sentiments!

So what is bigger than kraft involved in tHIS? Tiger woods? Jordan?

If you're ranking monsters in this case aren't the true monsters those behind the trafficking?

that was my thought - they are buds and well, the Donald has been known to frequent russia's best.

I don't feel we are saying anything different. He isn't charged with human trafficking. The bottom line is his money ended up supporting human trafficking. Knowing that or not knowing that is indicative of intent but doesn't change the outcome.

Even if it was only $79 at a time.

This ranks pretty high on the stupidity scale.

Don't drag "former Brown's receiver's" name into this.

#2. Nobody going to mention, "deflating of game balls" got mentioned in the same story as the rest of Milk Mans' posted article by police blotter? ok

( I'll hate my own post now.) Just the facts, Just wanted to read the facts, then I added nonsense. Couldn't stop myself. (that may be the problem with all this) ha.

circa Proverbs 3 Ytown, the young man: Proverbs 7:7-27. not to mention Proverbs 6:20-26.

ehh. Whom I tellin!
Just the facts Ma'am,

Yes, there are "degrees", but it's hard to claim ignorance as an excuse when you're doing something illegal. Scummy things always seem to go hand in hand with breaking the law. In this case "scummy" doesn't even do it justice.

In a court of law, he was "soliciting", in the court of public opinion (and maybe the NFL as well), the "verdict" could be much worse.

I'm torn on this one. If he knew and participated with an under age child or if he's involved in trafficking, toss the book at him. If he was just paying for sex though, at 77 he should get the senior rate and send him on his way.

I don't understand why people are shocked that a rich man like Kraft was at a place like this. My guess is that this is a very normal/regular thing for him. Likely considers places like this as more low key (foreign women who don't speak english aren't watching football), and probably the best chance at him not being extorted by a more expensive 'masseuse.'

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Also, put me on the train that prostitution should just be legal. Only reason it isn't, is because the government hasn't found a good way to track it so they can get their cut too.

How does Kraft get outed now, but Mr. "not the biggest name" is still unknown?

He really is kinda morally bankrupt, but that's not really the problem with all of this.

These girls at the asian spa are very young and they were lured here by a real slim ball.

Now they are sex slaves.

That to me is pretty damn sad

I feel like all the facts have not come to light yet.

I just read law enforcement is refuting there is a bigger name. Couple of former corporate CEOs were just named but they weren't household names.

I think the shocking part is that he decided to go to a strip mall to do it at $79 a shot. Not exactly a brilliant move.

I don't have all the facts yet and my opinion can change. But, right now, I don't think what Kraft did is a big deal. In fact, I think it's only a big deal because he is such a large public figure.

I do think the issue of trafficking is very serious and is a huge concern in our society. I put it well above illegal immigration on the list of the things we must fix. It's like the dirtiest underside of our global society. It doesn't get any worse than that, especially because minors are often involved. I applaud folks like Hue Jackson who donated time and money to combat the travesty that is human trafficking.

But, as of right now, I don't think Kraft knew that was going on. I think he wanted to get laid and to that...I say big deal. In fact, we had a conversation on here years ago as to why don't people w/money [we were talking about NFL players at the time] just pay for sex instead of risking picking up some strange and then risking that strange accusing them of rape and/or abuse? Most of us don't see a problem w/people wanting to have sex. If you have money, prostitution is probably safer when you want some strange.

Now, if Kraft was aware of the trafficking aspect of this and that is why he went to that place..............my position will change dramatically. Until then, I don't like all the sensationalism.

j/c...

A worthwhile read on the issue at hand.....

‘The Monsters Are the Men’: Inside a Thriving Sex Trafficking Trade in Florida
By Patricia Mazzei
Feb. 23, 2019


Jupiter, FL - Something was amiss at a massage parlor near one of the wealthiest barrier islands in Florida.

First, a health inspector spotted several suitcases. Then she noticed an unusual stash of clothing, food and bedding. A young woman who was supposed to be a massage therapist spoke little English and seemed unusually nervous.

The inspector reported her findings to the police. They would eventually learn that her suspicions were right: The women were not just employees: They were living in the day spa, sleeping on massage tables and cooking meals on hot plates in the back. Some of them had had their passports confiscated.

The inspector’s suspicions prompted a sprawling investigation across four Florida counties and two states — Florida and New York — over nearly eight months, resulting in the disruption of what authorities say was a multimillion-dollar human-trafficking and prostitution operation.

The sweep led to criminal charges last week against several rich, prominent men, including Robert K. Kraft, the billionaire owner of the New England Patriots; John Havens, former president and chief operating officer of Citigroup; and John Childs, founder of the private equity firm J.W. Childs Associates.

Beyond the lurid celebrity connection, however, lies the wretched story of women who the police believe were brought from China under false promises of new lives and legitimate spa jobs. Instead, they found themselves trapped in the austere back rooms of strip-mall brothels — trafficking victims trapped among South Florida’s rich and famous.

“I don’t believe they were told they were going to work in massage parlors seven days a week, having unprotected sex with up to 1,000 men a year,” said Sheriff William D. Snyder of Martin County, whose office opened the investigation. “We saw them eating on hot plates in the back. There were no washing machines. They were sleeping on the massage tables.”

The women were shuttled from place to place — not only to nearby parlors but also across the state, said Sheriff Snyder. Sheriff’s deputies in Orange County, Fla., became involved in the investigation when women from the state’s Treasure Coast region were traced back to the Orlando area.

Sheriff Snyder said he believed at least some of the women were working to pay off debt owed for what it cost to bring them to the United States. In some cases, the women’s passports were taken away. Traffickers cycled women in and out of parlors every 10 or 20 days, Sheriff Snyder estimated.

Yet making a trafficking case remains difficult, in part because the women who were victims may not want to cooperate with the police. Only one has been talking to deputies, Sheriff Snyder said. He had lined up about a dozen Mandarin interpreters, but many other women refused to speak and were let go with an offer of assistance.

“I would never consider them prostitutes — it was really a rescue operation,” the sheriff said, training his anger at the men whose demand for sex kept the massage parlors in business. “The monsters are the men,” he added.

In addition to arresting men ranging in age from their 30s to at least one in his 80s, the police charged several women who appeared to be overseeing the operation with racketeering, money laundering and prostitution.

Sheriff Snyder said investigators, who worked with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, estimated the trafficking ring to be a $20 million international operation. Men paid between $100 and $200 for sex, the sheriff said; between $2 million and $3 million has been seized in Florida, he said, including a safe stuffed with Rolex watches.

State Attorney Dave Aronberg of Palm Beach County, whose office leads a human trafficking task force with the F.B.I., said trafficking foreigners to work in places like massage parlors can be more difficult to root out than trafficking, for example, American girls who are recruited in person or online.

“They come from countries where the police are part of the problem, and they’re smuggled into the country,” Mr. Aronberg said.

Laura Cusack, a social worker in charge of the human trafficking prevention and education program at Place of Hope, an agency for foster children and trafficking victims in Boca Raton, said foreign victims were often threatened by traffickers in their home countries.

“They’re told by traffickers, ‘I’ve got people waiting for you,’” she said. When social workers urge victims like that to come forward to the police, they say, “‘No, you don’t understand. They’re trying to find my little sister back home. They’re trying to find my daughter,’” Ms. Cusack said.

Mr. Havens, the former Citigroup executive, was elevated to the post in 2011 by his longtime confidant, Vikram Pandit, Citi’s chief executive. The two became friends as senior executives at Morgan Stanley before they both left in 2005 to start Old Lane Partners, a hedge fund that was acquired by Citigroup two years later for $800 million. Both resigned from Citi on the same day in 2012, after the Federal Reserve indicated Citi was not healthy enough after the financial crisis to start paying more money back to shareholders.

Through a spokesman, Mr. Kraft, 77, denied engaging in illegal activity, and Mr. Childs in a statement to Bloomberg also denied the charges.

That such a lucrative trafficking network existed near the ritzy enclaves of Jupiter Island, home to the likes of golfer Tiger Woods, and Palm Beach, home to President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, seemed unfathomable to some of the gawkers who posed for selfies — and in some cases cracked off-color jokes — on Friday outside the Orchids of Asia massage parlor in Jupiter, the enterprise that officials said Mr. Kraft had visited.

But Palm Beach was also the place where a well-connected billionaire financier from New York, Jeffrey E. Epstein, was accused a decade ago of molesting dozens of underage girls — some of them runaways or foster children who are vulnerable to sex trafficking. A federal judge ruled on Thursday that prosecutors violated Mr. Epstein’s victims by failing to inform them of a plea deal that would protect him from sex-trafficking charges.

The massage-parlor investigation began farther north, in Hobe Sound, a strip of mainland in Martin County where on July 6 the health inspector reported the signs of potential trafficking at the Bridge Day Spa, according to the arrest affidavit for one of the men. Sheriff’s deputies identified the spa’s owner and another nearby property under her name. They searched online forums where users posted about sex acts performed at the massage parlors. Based on the evidence they collected, they obtained a warrant to conduct surveillance.

That approach was far more labor-intensive than past investigations, in which undercover deputies would go into the parlors and arrest women for prostitution, said Sheriff Snyder, a former Republican state representative who helped write Florida’s law against human trafficking.

“I made this decision that we had enough of that: Let’s go after the traffickers,” he said. “I feel, on some level, extremely dissatisfied that I can’t do more. I know that we don’t even make a dent.”

In the case of the Orchids of Asia parlor in Jupiter, where services were listed for $59 for half an hour or $79 for an hour, an arrest affidavit for the women managing the spa detailed a similar investigative approach. Police officers watched men going into the spa for 30 to 45 minutes at a time.

Once they left, officers followed the men, pulled them over for traffic violations and confronted them about paying for sex. That evidence led to warrants for surveillance cameras, which police secretly installed inside the massage parlors — apparently under the ruse of a possible bomb threat.

All of the men arrested in Jupiter were filmed paying for manual or oral sexual stimulation, according to police. Sheriff Snyder said the sex acts his deputies recorded in Martin County included sexual intercourse.

Law enforcement spent several weeks identifying the clients, and the women managing the trafficking victims, as well as tracing their finances. Police and prosecutors wrote up their criminal charges and raided the massage parlors on Tuesday.

By then, however, some of the women they had identified as victims had been moved elsewhere. New women had taken their place.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/us/ro...pgtype=Homepage

This is sad and disgusting. Modern day sex slaves.

Whiny ass black people who were never slaves complaining that they need to be paid reparations.

And here we have actual real life sex slaves in our country, and barely anyone gives a crap. Where is the justice for these women? Where is the outrage?

Sad.

You'd call them an illegal alien and demand that they should be deported. Get out of here with your opportunity feminism.

So you're Ok with their slavery? That's interesting.

Damn, that's pretty low.

Big deal, probably not, like you say, but morally bankrupt, oh yes. My reasoning for that is the girls at that spa were lured here to be sex slaves. Of course, they didn't know that so for me, if you are a MAN, you don't take advantage of that.

Besides, there are plenty of choices in the Miami area..

Just google "miami escorts" and you'll get flooded with women that apparently chose this profession for whatever reason.

The Former CEO of Citicorp was another one.

Well Vers, if you're a billionaire trying to keep a low profile, going to a strip mall where the public could easily identify you and getting low grade hookers at $79 a shot certainly isn't very smart.

That's the problem in a nutshell... a man in that position needs to have privacy.

They way to do that is simple, hire a pro. Have them come to your hotel room, do what you gotta do, pay the bill, and they leave.

If they recognize you, there isn't much they can do because the service they are providing is illegal. If they Out you, they out themselves.

Can't find a pro? Just google Miami Escorts and trust me, you'll see something you think is pretty. Generally, they pick this profession so you aren't picking up some girl that was lured here with false promises and end up being sex slaves.

What Kraft did was so damn stupid.