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I thought so. Thanks.

This is what I see in this Perriman situation. He has a 16 catch resume and a spotty 3 year career in Baltimore. That doesn't translate into high market demand around the league. In Cleveland he has a QB who can make him productive. If I look around the league without much thought the teams where he might have a chance to sign with include Buffalo, muddled offense, underwhelming passing offense. Miami, unclear QB situation just a lot of question marks. Detroit, an organization stuck in neutral, is Stafford a more attractive option than Mayfield? Arizona, Jets, Oakland, Washington, Jacksonville, Carolina and even the Saints could address their WR need in the draft with a prospect on a rookie deal and a higher floor than Perriman. His career production doesn't earn him a great deal of leverage.

As for Rosenhaus, I'm not suggesting that he is having an epiphany about negotiating contracts at this moment but he can't afford a track record of putting multiple clients in bad contracts before it hurts his business. So he has incentive to close some deals for mid-level or low level clients that strike a balance between player compensation/satisfaction and sound equitable contracts with teams he'll have to do business with in the future.

New England with Brady could be a landing spot. They've signed guys like this before.

Perryman could take a decent deal from us on a 1-year, have another strong year then cash in as he is still young.

There is still a limited market on him because he has far more poor seasons than good ones.

I'd argue he has zero "good seasons". 340 yards and a couple TDs is below average for a starting WR. He did flash a bit, but so did everyone when it was Baker slinging them the ball. GMs will see that on tape. I'm sure he'll get some offers, but he'd be smart to stay here and not pull a Pryor imo.

If he does go, we'll be fine, but he's walking into a risky situation. If some team wants to throw $10M+ at him then by all means, he should take it, but if it's close and I were him, I'd stay in CLE.

I agree some players aren't smart. I don't believe most players are broke shortly after football. Some could be, and when you say most, I discount the guys who play a year or two.

I agree with Vers that Pryor was stupid in what he did. I don't think is agent told him to sign the 1 year deal and not take the 30 or so mil we offered.

I am?

I couldn't care less where he is now. He was great here. I just don't care for the double standard you and others hold.

If we don't end up signing Perriman it will be interesting to see how many here blame Dorsey and say he's just trying to win every deal.

Awful take. I agree with whomever here said we should tender higgins 2nd round. An original tender and someone will take higgins. Not saying we still couldn't keep him, but you don't find very many great WR in the 5th rd.

Especially in this market, if i need a receiver, Higgins for a 5th rd pick is very appetizing. SMH.

Are teams allowed to speak to other team's free agents yet?

Technically no, but.....

This is correct.

Not for nothing, but his career was on the trash heap when the browns picked him up... He owes the browns at least that. Probably won't hold water but it's true just the same.

j/c:

sounds like perriman might go the way of Pryor

I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Next season is the real "show me" year for him. Does he really want to do that with a QB that spreads the ball around the way Baker does and a really solid WR corps?

Probably not. Much better chance to put himself in position for "#1 money" with another organization.

So yes, I said it, he'll actually leave because we are too good, after 20 years of the opposite being true.

JMO, in the case of Perriman, there's many reasons you choose to go to a place. Personally, i'm an adult and i don't make all my decisions off money.


Even if it's just a money thing, if you're not going to succeed there, even if you're offered a larger contract, it sets you up worse in the long-run.


That's the one benefit for us. Perrimen knows that he was most successful here. With Adam Henry. With Freddie Kitchens. With Baker Mayfield.

He's not going to get that somewhere else. And when he fails and is quickly cut, taking hte largest contract won't be the best choice.

I see Perriman's situation as being a lot like Greg Robinson's. Former high draft pick who was largely viewed as a bust, but plays well when given a second chance. His problem is it was a small sample size, so in my mind he should get a one year "show me" contract that is representative of a veteran/journeyman WR's value.

Some folks would order a couple of 'em at that price. FA is going to go a long way for us determining what comes next and how well we do IMO. That and going solidly after some position strengths in the draft.

Watching the Combine today, and it is very appetizing to see who the next players could be.

Fingers crossed.

The only negative that's been cited on Perriman is his agent and his reputation. There haven't been any statements that would indicate a problem getting a contract done in Cleveland. The pessimism here seems a little overblown given what little is actually known about the negotiations.

I think it's cool how we can all read and hear the same stuff and come up w/vastly different conclusions.

I was thinking just the opposite after reading how our qb and coaches are so much better than it would be in other places. I'm thinking the optimism is being overblown.

I'm pretty sure I've read either local beat reporters or national guys recently say it's starting to look like a long shot. On my phone, not going to search for it, but you could probably find it with a quick Google search.

That's an interesting take. Obviously, Perriman did get an opportunity from the Browns that no other team offered him. He was able to have some tangible success here where coaching and quarterback play were undeniable contributors. These are knowns, anything offered elsewhere are unknowns. Can't speak for other posters. I think this gives the Browns a leg up but would never go so far as to say he couldn't find a good situation elsewhere. But there are more risks in the open market as the Tyrelle Pryor saga illustrates.

I'm not willing to predict if Perriman will sign here or not. But I will challenge anyone to produce one shred of tangible evidence that he will not sign. If he isn't signed by the opening of free agency then I will concede that his return is unlikely. That's March 13th I believe.

What happens with Perriman will not make or break us. I'm not overly concerned. If he wants to matter he will choose brown and orange. If not, that's fine, c-ya.

Lol. Good one. C'mon Perriman. Choose to MATTER.

Produce evidence? ... thats a silly request ... just as silly as ignoring Drew’s history ... i bet 90 - 98% of Drew’s clients hit the open market ... that’s WHO DREW IS ... its his PHILOSPOHY, its how he DOES BUSINESS ....

Its not that complicated dawg ... you have to stick your head in the sand and ignore history to believe at this point he’s not going to test FA ...

TABBER ....

Were not the old browns ... we have someone running the show that knows what he’s doing for a change ... he’s going to make mistakes as everyone does but when he does ...he will be shown the respect he’s earned over the years and it will just be a mistake ... we won’t be laughed at and mocked like in the past .... as oppposed to when the clowns we had running the show over the last 2 decades who would string together one mistake after another and deserved the ridicule and mocking ... WE EARNED THAT ALSO ...

This is DIFFERENT!!!!!

I agree that it's different. Hell, it is harder to talk about the draft and free agency because we have Dorsey making the decisions and it's ridiculous to question his judgement.

In the past, I was always thinking "how are these morons going to mess it up this time?" That's not the case any longer. I actually expect Dorsey to make the right moves.

With only 16 receptions last year I would not go overboard on Perriman. If he does not want to accept our offer I would let him walk.

I don't think I've read a post that says he won't sign. Most are just talking about the probability of it happening.

Only thing I remember reading is that he plans on testing Free Agency... Well Geez

agreed

I'm not one who would say let him walk if he refuses the first offer. I mean it's called negotiations for a reason. But with only 16 catches for 340 yards and 2 TD's, I'm not sure how much competition and compensation people think he'll actually get from teams across the league. I wouldn't say he won't get offers but considering his limited production I don't believe his price tag will be that high.

That depends, what if he thinks that any success he had this year was based on the QB? Then continued success might be to stay put.

That wouldn't be loyalty to a team. He didn't produce enough last year to really call it a "success". 340 yards and 2td's isn't a transformation. It's just a step forward. Now if he would have had a thousand yard season with double digit TD's I could see your point.

I guess I just find it odd that some fans think a player owes a team something or owes them some sense of loyalty. To us football is a sport. We have loyalty to a team as fans. To players, coaches and staff it's a business. And as such it's the life of their family.

Everything should be taken into consideration. State and local taxes, the weather for their family and the stability of the organization where they sign. There are so many factors that I won't even attempt to try to get into all of them. And while Baker is a very good young QB, there are a lot of QB's in this league that can throw a football.

Lots of back and forth on Perriman. I think it’s actually quite simple. Perriman has years of not great performance and recently a small series of games with the Browns of good performance. So if he’s really looking for a long term deal right now he shouldn’t expect big money.... he won’t get it from us. If he’s smart and truly confident in his ability he’ll push for a lucrative 1 year deal as a bridge to the big money.

So, what will happen? Depends mostly on Perriman. He may go the way of Pryor if he’s stupid. He may get a better 1 year deal with another team that has a quality QB like Green Bay and it’ll work out. Maybe he’ll appreciate the value of stability in setting himself up best to perform... chemistry with a QB isn’t a given and yet he knows he has it already with Baker.

Given agent that’s involved I’m going with a 60% probability he’ll be back in CLE on 1 year deal.

same here

Perriman was active for only 10 games, and really only played much for 8 games. If you take his numbers and calculate them out over 16 games, he would have 25 catches for 540 yards. In his 16 catches, he had 4 of 20+ yards, and 2 of 40+.

Bear in mind that he also had zero preseason snaps with the team, and had no experience in the offense. Baker probably didn't even know his name at 1st. They appeared to develop some chemistry as the year progressed.

His hands, which were a major problem in Baltimore, appeared to be resolved here in Cleveland.

People keep talking about wanting a big, fast WR. Well, here he is, already on the roster. He ran a 4.24 at his Pro Day, back when he was entering the draft. He certainly appears to still have that speed.

Sometimes it takes a player time to put it all together. Perriman appears to be doing so here in Cleveland, I hope we keep him.

So, if I hear you right, when put into context, he was a pretty good receiver with a better than average upside and perfect size! Do I have that right?