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Not that this is a totally fair way to decide on Metcalf, but I watched him a little today.. Gees..He's big and strong.

If genes matter, he's got those also. Terry Metcalf, Eric Metcalf and his father Terrance Metcalf all had pretty darn good NFL careers.. I'm sure when the family sits down for dinner, the game is topic of discussion.

Like Blue Bloods for football players?

JC,

I worry about those super low fat guys. Especially the ones who have to run to make a living. I worry about pulled muscles.

J/c ... maybe this belongs here ,,,,

DUKE JOHNSON
RB, CLEVELAND BROWNS

640 Miami's Andy Slater reports the Eagles and Cowboys have both expressed interest in trading for Duke Johnson.

Slater isn't a typical Rotoworld source, but he has real connections this time of year. On top of that, Johnson is a Miami alum, so there's likely some fire where this smoke is coming from. It's no secret the Browns have deemed Johnson expendable after signing Kareem Hunt to go with Nick Chubb. Johnson can likely be had for a Day 3 draft pick considering his contract status as one of the league's higher-paid running backs. The Eagles would be a nice landing spot.

RELATED: Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles
SOURCE: Andy Slater on Twitter
Mar 4, 2019, 9:05 PM

I don’t want to trade Duke Johnson, but it seems inevitable (his usage has not been great and Hunt will probably play a similar role as him) at this point that he will not be on the team in 2020. With that said, what range of compensation would you be happy in getting in return for him? I was thinking a second round pick, it’s probably more like a third rounder. Anything later than a third and I would probably just hold on to him for the season.

Chiefs could move Ford, Houston, sources say
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26136728/chiefs-move-ford-houston-sources-say

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Dee Ford and Justin Houston combined for 22 sacks last season and 47.5 the past three seasons for the Chiefs. But it's possible that neither will play for Kansas City in 2019.

The Chiefs placed the franchise tag on Ford on Monday but are listening to trade offers for the outside linebacker and have received interest from multiple teams, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter. Kansas City is open to bringing Ford back, though, in the event that it does not find a suitable trade partner.

Houston has also been informed that the Chiefs will try to trade him, a source told ESPN, and if no deal is reached he will be released. Houston carries a salary-cap number of $21.1 million for next season; trading or releasing him would save the Chiefs $14 million against the salary cap.

The Chiefs intend to switch their base defensive scheme from a 3-4 to a 4-3 under new coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, necessitating a position change for both players. They would be defensive ends in the new system after playing outside linebacker in the 3-4.

Ford, who will turn 28 on March 19, finally became the player the Chiefs envisioned when they drafted him from Auburn in the first round in 2014. Ford started all 16 games for the first time in his career and had a career high of 13 sacks. He was also selected to play in the Pro Bowl for the first time.

The wait for Ford to become a consistently productive player was a long one. He had a total of 17.5 sacks in his first four seasons. Ten of those sacks came in a nine-game stretch in 2016. Otherwise, until 2018, Ford had 7.5 sacks to show for his other 42 games.

Ford ended his best season with his least productive game. He had no sacks or tackles in the Chiefs' AFC Championship Game loss to the New England Patriots. Ford was also penalized for lining up offside on a play that resulted in an interception in the final minute of the fourth quarter.

The interception could have allowed the Chiefs, who had a four-point lead at the time, to run out the clock. Instead, the Patriots continued their drive to a go-ahead touchdown and eventually won in overtime.

Houston, who turned 30 in January, joined the Chiefs as a third-round draft pick (70th overall) from Georgia in 2011. He showed his immense pass-rush ability by getting three sacks in a game against the Bears as a rookie. He had 22 sacks in 2014, missing the NFL record by a half-sack.

Houston hasn't come close to that standard since. His best sack total the past four seasons was 9.5 in 2017. He has 78.5 career sacks, putting him fourth on the Chiefs' all-time list.

Houston in 2015 signed a six-year contract worth $101 million, making him at the time the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history.

He was more than just a pass-rusher for the Chiefs. He was an excellent all-around player who defended the run well. He was chosen to play in the Pro Bowl three times and was a first-team All-Pro selection in 2014.

If the Chiefs, who know the player better than anyone, feel that Dee Ford isn’t a great fit for a 4-3, I’m not sure why any team that will play him with his hand on the ground would want him.

A 4th or 5th is probably what we would get. I wouldn't trade him before we know what sort of deal Hunt faces. Hilliard didn't get much action to be able to say we would be in good shape if Nick got hurt.

I agree, there is no way we trade Duke till we have an idea of what kind of suspension Hunt is facing.

The coaches know Peen ... they know a lot more about Hilliard than u or i do ...

I would prefer we don’t trade Duke til we know about Hunt ... IF we do it tells me we have inside info on Hunt’s suspension OR the coaches think Hilliard can step in and do a decent job ...

The other thing ... If Nick goes down is Duke able to play a full time role? ... thats not who he is ... he’s not an every down back ...

Also do we trade Duke for a draft pick this year? ... lord only knows we have enough of them ...

Time will tell .... TICK TOCK ....

I would keep Duke, now if a team overwhelms me then ......

That is quite a pedigree, with years of NFL success. Maybe we brig back the magic. Or he is an answered prayer.

I remember saying, "God, why can't he be a little bigger?" He may be after all.

I'd keep Duke for sure. He's worth his salary IMO

He's getting paid more than many starting RB's in this league and I didn't understand the contract he was given.

People that wanted to tout the notion that a change in scheme doesn't necessitate a change in personnel because "it's just your base and teams don't play base all the time" may want to study this article intently because a team that was considered a Super Bowl contender this past season is looking to unload two of its better Front 7 players in order to facilitate a scheme change.

I would be taking calls and collecting information and laying the groundwork for getting something done, but unless a team just wants to get stupid and throw crazy picks at me there is no situation where I trade Duke before Hunt's status is clarified.

I still lean toward him (or Hunt) being a Draft day piece, and I still kinda hold onto my tongue-in-cheek prediction of the player plus a couple of picks being used to trade us up into the 1st for an additional 1st rounder this year. Duke/Hunt + 2nd + Patriots 3rd can get us Top 10-15.

Most starting rookie backs are on their rookie deal. He's has a similar contract to Rex Burkhead... The contract was good, the market just hasn't been set for this generation of RBs. He's the 19th highest paid RB at 3 mil. Chubb is 29th, Kareem is 35th. The deal is good, which is why he has trade value still.

As for a trade, I would ask for a 3rd and settle on a 5th.

a lot might depend on Hunt's future too

I would not trade Duke for anything less than a 3rd ... JMHO

I don't see 3 mil a year as a good deal for a player who has 5.4 touches per game average.

What was the average when he signed it?

Now that is something we can agree on PitDAWG

I don't know. I guess if you are trying to make a counter point you should be showing me. And even at that, you have to look at what his salary is verses his production is now, not then.

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Just keep in mind, Hunt is on a one year contract, there are no guarantees he stays after that.. If he should in some way redeem himself, somebody will throw a bunch of Loot at him. And if his skills are still sharp, he'll be worth it.

So it wasn't a terrible deal when the contract was signed but looking at his touches since verses the compensation it isn't paying off. It still wasn't some good deal when it was signed.

I think we're in agreement about trading him. I like Duke a lot, but if he's not going to play, we might as well get a 5th. But saying that his contract is bad, is a step to far. It's like saying Chubb has a bad contact because we could have Kamara for cheaper. The RB market just hasn't been set. Even at the top 5, 3 of the players are still on their rookie deals. It's a good contract for someone, just not us and that's fine.

He makes 50k more than Rex Burkhead. That is a fantastic deal. If you compare him to RBs on their second+ contract: Carlos, Rex, Dion Lewis, McKinnon, Gio Bernard, Lamar Miller and many others, the deal becomes better and better. There's a reason why the Cowboys who are sitting on the precipe of cap hell, who will soon have to pay Zeke, Amari, Dak, DeMarcus and many others, are still interested in trading for him.

Players like Landon Collins never reach the market. The Giants aren’t tagging him. He’s entering his age 25 season and has only been good.

Do we have a need at the position? We don’t know. It really depends on Jabrill Peppers role. If Peppers is a hybrid linebacker/safety, then we could definitely use Collins. If he’s more of a safety, then there is no spot for him.

Anyway, some team is going to get a really good young player.

You can just say that you won't trade him at all. I do not see anyone offering a 3rd for Duke.

Speaking of a Giants player....people need to start following this Twitter handle.

https://twitter.com/dave_gettleman

I have read that Dorsey likes Hilliard.

I would like a future pick to be honest, but if the window is as open as you think, then a 4th this year would be good.

Think about it...we pick at 17. I don't think I would look to move up from there. We at that point would have one 1st, one 2nd, two 3rd's, two 4th's, and three 5th rounders. Nine picks in the first 5 rounds if we trade Duke for a 4th rounder.

Lot's of ability to move up. Heck, turn the two 4th rounders in to a 3rd, and the three 5th rounders in to a 4th rounder. Just sit out the 5th round.

We would have one 1st rounder, one 2nd rounder, three 3rd rounders, and a 4th rounder. That is just one possibility.

I don't think we'll ever agree on his value considering his current touches. But that's really neither here nor there.

I wouldn't be in favor if seeing Duke shipped off right now. While he's not a staring RB for the Browns, if something should happen that Chubb goes down this year, with Hunt under suspension, his value to us would certainly soar. He's what I would certainly consider a reasonable insurance policy.

While I still don't think Duke is built to be a starting RB, his touches would certainly go up under such a scenario. At the same time I agree with what others have said that I don't really know What Hilliard brings to the table. So in that respect I certainly won't claim to know what the results of letting Duke go may mean in production.

All I can base my opinion on is what I do know. And with that I would certainly feel more comfortable about keeping Duke for the 2019 season.

I think we're in full agreement about Duke. He's not valuable for the amount of touches he's getting. Which is why I want to trade him. I do think he's great value in terms of talent to pay. He can give a team what Dion or James white can from a cheaper price. I just think his touches have gone down because we've switched our usage. I don't think Freddie wants the possibility of telegraphing our plays from our personnel. Duke certainly tips the hand that we're probably passing.

All that said, I really like Duke. I'm probably his biggest fan on here, but he does nothing for us from sitting on the bench. Tracy him now before his value craters and hope we can get a 5th. There's always a lot of good corners left in the 5th. We just have to find them.

Agreed.

This talk of trading Duke makes no sense to me.

We should at least understand the status of Kareem Hunt before we let go of Duke. Because, if Hunt's suspended ten games, and Nick Chubb goes down early in the season, what do we do then?


I'm sure Duke is ready to be traded. I get that. But, it has to make sense first. Right now, it doesn't make sense

We have a proven, quality player who isn't costing us a bundle, and yet some people would trade him for a fifth.

Could we not at least wait until we begin to approach cap hell before kicking him out of the band?

I think Collins is overrated. He is good against the run, but I think he's a liability in coverage. He's not a guy you want to put in man-to-man coverages. We have a very similar player in Peppers. Collins would not be a good fit for the Browns, in my opinion.

Duke is hardly an every down back. Chubb goes down, Duke would not be able to carry the load.

They will trade him, Hilliard takes his spot. They will pick up a bigger back in FA or draft for depth.