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i'm an idiot. ignore my post about deadlines.

Edited post because CHS is an idiot.

I'm always of the opinion that you upgrade any and all positions you can. It's far easier and cheaper to find a starting caliber G in the NFL than it is an actual #1 WR in the upper echelon of the NFL.

Combining a talent like Mayfield with an OBJ would be far more dynamic than anything we have. And yes, Mayfield can make an average WR look better, but he can't make them look like OBJ. OBJ and Mayfield can make each other look better.

I have almost zero confidence that we'll ever see OBJ in a Browns uniform. But IMO you simply don't make excuses not to attempt to acquire elite talent. And that's exactly what OBJ is.

The second greatest coach - who is #1?

No it wouldn't. You guys are right. I'll edit my posts. I got this weekend mixed up with the June 1st deadline that allows teams to break up bonuses over two years.

Paul Brown imo

It works well for KC and NE.

We got Vice Grips.....we don't need no stinkin' #1 WR. We already got one, right?!

This is self-contradictory because there is no chance that anyone gives up two firsts.

I think most go with the WR...BUT...it's reportedly going to take more than that...much, much more.

And how do we know we have an above average guard to replace Zeitler? I mean, I hope he is the next coming of Steve Hutchinson but we know nothing about Corbett.

That depends upon how you define "We", doesn't it?

We Fans know next to nothing about him, but I'm thinking that the coaching staff has a pretty good idea.

Once it is known that a player is available, values tend to fluctuate. I seem to recall that Miami wanted far more than a 4th and a 7th for Landry last year ... at the start.

That's right, the fans know next to nothing about him in the NFL, which is why I questioned the "above average" label already applied to him.

Yet we still have the FA market and draft as options to address it as well. It's not a Corbett or nothing scenario.

Draft options are essentially in the same boat as Corbett as we know nothing and which FA guards were you thinking of?

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2019G.php

Signing a FA guard or drafting one to start would be quite the indictment on Corbett already.

Yes seriously. My head would have exploded had we not drafted Mayfield.

We have weapons. Our WR corp would be just fine and dandy with Higgins, Callaway, and Landry. Could it be improved, most definitely. Would improving the WR corp at the moment net us more wins? Not necessarily in my mind.

How hard or expensive do you think it is to find an average starting G in the NFL?

Why try and find one at all? You have two stud guards in Zeitler and Bitonio.

And no OBJ.

Sounds like a plan to me.

I will not disagree. We may disagree on our team needs, however. I just don't see a need to make a blockbuster deal for OBJ. Would he help? Most certainly. Is it necessary? I don't believe so. Am I the GM? No. Is it my money? No. Would I be disappointed if OBJ were here? No. Would I root for him? Of course.

This might be true. Zeitler may or may not be involved in a trade that would ultimately lead to OBJ coming here. But I do know this:

1. We're seeing interior pass rushing become a focus.
2. The passing game is becoming more important each year.

Focusing on the passing game also means stopping the rush aimed to disrupt it. Getting rid of Zeitler (arguably the best interior pass blocker in the NFL) affords teams to disrupt our passing game. And what good does OBJ ( or any WR for that matter) become if we can't get him the ball because we took the chance on a 2nd year, rookie or FA not as good as Zeitler?

We're talking about trading away elite talent on this team.... Elite talent that is protecting elite talent.

I actually don't see the need to do it either. I also don't think it will happen. I'm just a bit surprised by those who think it would be such a bad idea.

I do think a big bodied WR is something we lack in our WR core but I don't think you need to make a huge investment to accomplish that.

I'd rather see our big investments in the front seven at this time. I can see upgrades being made on the O, I just don't believe we need to put big resources into doing that.

Then for your latest response.....so what?

Getting rid of Zeitler weakens your offensive line. Realistically you aren't putting someone in there who is better. Is the drop off going to be that much? My question is why do we need to find out?

In my opinion, it makes more sense to cut/trade Zeitler after this season. There's probably going to be a pretty good WR at 17 and probably a pretty good one at pick 49. If Dorsey is that good at finding talent, draft one. Don't purge one from some other team at the expense of one of the best units in the NFL.

It really makes no sense to me, but as always, I'm sure Dorsey has something up his sleeve...

I don't think of OBJ as a "big bodied" WR. He defintely plays larger than he is, but he's still not big...

In fact, we trade for OBJ, we're probably starting Landry, OBJ, and Callaway... That's 3 5'11' 200 lb WRs.

Please stop acting like we can get a WR like OBJ as easily as we can replace a RG. It's not becoming of you.

My question... OBJ has played with a HOF QB his 5 years in the NFL and has 1 winning season. Why? What's different if he comes to Cleveland?

Eli Manning is not HoF worthy and I don't give a dang about how many super bowls he has won.

Are you actually trying to say that Eli is in "HOF form" or has been for the past few years now? I'm pretty sure you're not even suggesting that, right?

The NFL is a team game. The Giants have a bad OL and a bad D. And we both know Eli is well past his prime. No WR is going to win you a SB. No LT is going to win you a SB. No RB is going to win you a SB. That's still no excuse to deny how much an impact skill player will help you toward achieving that goal.

This wasn't actually a serious question was it?

You're manufacturing an argument. That is becoming of you.

Preposterous! I would rather trade up for a younger D.K. Metcalf

j/c:

This is a done deal. Washington is the new us. Now that we are not terrible anymore they will get a lot more attention for being the worst.

j/c:

I am not going to get into the bickering that some posters are so into, but I think that OBJ isn't just an upgrade at WR. I think he makes Baker better. I think he makes Landry, Njoku, Chubb, Hunt, Higgens, and any other skill position better because he demands so much attention.

Teams constantly roll coverages his way. It leaves other guys w/one-on-one favorable matchups against lesser players.

I don't think we'll get OBJ, but I would be thrilled if we did because we would be a better team........in my opinion.

Good complimentary pieces. And to compliment your post, think about Landry working against one-on-one coverage? Think about guys like Higgins, Njoku, Chubb, Hunt, etc being covered by LBers and SS's that are poor in coverage.

It's like a domino effect. Not only would OBJ get open faster, the other guys would have a better opportunity of uncovering earlier because they won't be facing guys who are as good in coverage as they have faced in the past.

I know we probably won't get OBJ, but at least it's a good football discussion.

Why are the Giants open to trading OBJ in the first place?

I dont recall him feuding with them.

So, why would they trade their star WR? That seems counter productive.

All good points from the Twitterverse, but I don't think anyone doubts Odell Beckham's talent and the positive impact that talent has on the Browns' offense.

The bigger question is if that impact is genuinely needed to such an extent that we'll surrender our best assets to acquire him.

Look at our losses in the Baker Mayfield era.

Oakland put 45 points on us.
Chargers put 38 points on us.
Tampa puts 26 on us.
Steelers put 33 on us.
KC puts 37 on us.
Houston put 29 on us.
Baltmore put 26 on us.

This team won't compete for a championship if we can't stop the other team, and I hate the idea of exhausting our resources at the beginning of a legitimate championship window for a $90M receiver - especially when that receiver has an uncertain mental consistency and a history of injury.