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Vernon is Over paid and overrated. He is a 15 million dollar a year version of Ogbah. lol he did have 8 sacks last year ...
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I don't like trading Zeitler anymore than some of you guys, but to get quality you have to pay for it and Garrett needed a legit sidekick, we could get Bosa so this is good IMO ...
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Vernon is Over paid and overrated. He is a 15 million dollar a year version of Ogbah. Vernon is definitely a better pass rusher than Ogbah.
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Pressures last season: Emmanuel Ogbah: 31 (496 rush snaps) Olivier Vernon: 46 (414 rush snaps) https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1104063597553074176
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The swap of draft picks definitely helps this deal from our side. We move from 155 to 132, per NFL.com.
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The swap of draft picks definitely helps this deal from our side. We move from 155 to 132, per NFL.com.
It's still not much. Moving 23 spots that late in the draft doesn't amount to much value.
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Now what becomes of Ogbah?
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Horrible value trade. Dorsey did not help this team
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Now what becomes of Ogbah?
He's definitely gone after the 2019 season and maybe before then.
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I don't like trading Zeitler anymore than some of you guys, but to get quality you have to pay for it and Garrett needed a legit sidekick, we could get Bosa so this is good IMO ... Or you could just draft it...
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You can package the additional 4th to move back into the 3rd more easily now.
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I don't like trading Zeitler anymore than some of you guys, but to get quality you have to pay for it and Garrett needed a legit sidekick, we could get Bosa so this is good IMO ... Or you could just draft it... I will trust Dorsey ...
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Now what becomes of Ogbah? I think Ogbah adds a few pounds and moves inside on passing downs. Dorsey said he wanted to add "length" along the D-line, and that would add it inside. I don't think there's any way the Browns do this unless they believe Corbett is ready to step in at RG.
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Dorsey way, find fill in guy uprade fill in. Tyrod to baker, Hyde to Chubb, gained/Mitchell to ward, Alex Smith to Mahomes.
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we could get Bosa so this is good IMO ... Is there some other Bosa I don't know about?
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I don't like trading Zeitler anymore than some of you guys, but to get quality you have to pay for it and Garrett needed a legit sidekick, we could get Bosa so this is good IMO ... Or you could just draft it... I will trust Dorsey ... Trust but verify.
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Dorsey way, find fill in guy uprade fill in. Tyrod to baker, Hyde to Chubb, gained/Mitchell to ward, Alex Smith to Mahomes. ugh.
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I don't like trading Zeitler anymore than some of you guys, but to get quality you have to pay for it and Garrett needed a legit sidekick, we could get Bosa so this is good IMO ... Or you could just draft it... I will trust Dorsey ... Blindly trusting any person or entity seems unwise.
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Dorsey way, find fill in guy uprade fill in. Tyrod to baker, Hyde to Chubb, gained/Mitchell to ward, Alex Smith to Mahomes. ugh.
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After reading more about Vernon's production over the past couple years I feel more comfortable about the trade, but I would have rather just given up picks for Vernon instead of one of our best players.
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If Vernon's healthy, I like the trade. He had 8 sacks playing with a dinged ankle while Jenkins and Collins were their only good DBs and I'm not sure who the Giants 2nd best rusher would have been looking at the roster. Now he'll have other teams worried about Myles. Zeitler's a great guard, but the Chiefs made their run with Cam Erving starting. Pass rushers would seem to be more valuable.
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So all this talk about Zeitler to the Giants was about Vernon, not Beckhma?
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So all this talk about Zeitler to the Giants was about Vernon, not Beckhma? I was just thinking the same thing.
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So all this talk about Zeitler to the Giants was about Vernon, not Beckhma? My guess is that there were talks about OBJ and it devolved into this. It's not uncommon.
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So all this talk about Zeitler to the Giants was about Vernon, not Beckhma? The talking heads made an ASSumption.
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Would not be shocked to see Ogbah part of a deal now, especially if we think Chad Thomas can make the same jump that we think Corbett can
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So Dorsey gave him an all expenses paid trip to NYC. The timing is... interesting. Can't seem to find the word I'm looking for.
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Corbett was really coming on at the end of training camp. He's a physical guard and was good as an extra OL'men late in the year. Even if he's half of Zeitler, I think Vernon's impact is much larger.
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So all this talk about Zeitler to the Giants was about Vernon, not Beckhma? 
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I don't like trading Zeitler anymore than some of you guys, but to get quality you have to pay for it and Garrett needed a legit sidekick, we could get Bosa so this is good IMO ... Or you could just draft it... I will trust Dorsey ... Blindly trusting any person or entity seems unwise. He has done pretty well so far, I don't call that blindly following, their is a track record 
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Vernon is Over paid and overrated. He is a 15 million dollar a year version of Ogbah. That is extreme hyperbole. I do not agree at all. Ogbah was an Average to below average player last season. Ogbah has 12.5 sacks in 40 games played. Vernon had 7 sacks in 11 games last season and played hurt the entire year.
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Plenty freaked when Dorsey traded Carlos last year and Chubb stepped up and played lights out. They feel Corbett is ready. Maybe he is. I feel Olivier is a huge upgrade to Ogbah.
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I'm just happy that he battles. "He's just like every player on our team," coach Pat Shurmur said. "Just keep battling...
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I didn't bring into the equation the fact that Vernon faced left tackles, not right tackles.
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Wow I guess Corbett is ready to step up, and I think that is a good trade for both teams ... They better hope so because Ziet did a decent job here.
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If Vernon's healthy, I like the trade. He had 8 sacks playing with a dinged ankle while Jenkins and Collins were their only good DBs and I'm not sure who the Giants 2nd best rusher would have been looking at the roster. Now he'll have other teams worried about Myles. Zeitler's a great guard, but the Chiefs made their run with Cam Erving starting. Pass rushers would seem to be more valuable. The Giants pass rush was Vernon .... and guys. Vernon had 7 sacks last year. The next guys? BJ Hill with 5, and Lorenzo Carter with 4. The next most proficient pass rusher had 2 sacks, and the Giants as a team had a whopping 30 sacks. He also had 21 QB Hits. That was more than twice as many as any other player on the team according to ESPN. I think he could have a big year next season.
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Decent doesn't do it justice, in the second half of last season he was an absolute monster. A flat out beast in every aspect of his game.
No question we are going to miss Zeitler even if Corbet is good, the likelihood he will be close to Zeitler is extremely small.
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