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I don't think Richardson is the same player he once was but I'm pretty good with this deal. And I don't think it eliminates a DT at #17 either.


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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
I don't think Richardson is the same player he once was but I'm pretty good with this deal. And I don't think it eliminate a DT at #17 either.


Agreed.

The Browns are a better team with this move.

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I like it


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Its all relative and this is being overpaid but not crazy money ...

Vice Grips looks like a steal now ... thumbsup


You are correct, it is all relative.

It's not for us to determine what is overpaid and what isn't. It keeps going up every year.

It not about what you are paying, it's about how and when you can shuffle it around. I am not sure who watches the cap and contracts...Depo maybe since he is the strategy officer? At any rate. In this 3 year del I would expect the guaranteed portion would be honored by the end of next season...at least a large chunk where in year 3 we can dump him and gain a nice chunk of change to be allocated to the portion we will be paying Myles.
In this case Richardsons 39 mil is 13 mil per season. After this season and next, we have met the 21.5 guarantee.

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I say this all the time, I don't care how much money Haslam has to shell out. I'd rather be a .500 team in cap hell than 1-15 with 100m in cap.

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This front four is going to be ridiculous. Hopefully the off the field stuff that used to plague Richardson is no longer an issue.

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Also, this frees us up to do a lot more stuff in the draft. Taking a defensive tackle is no longer a pressing priority.

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Good point about the draft. We aren't locked in to ANY position groups ... especially if we sign Hicks at LB


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Our front 4 is looking pretty DANGEROUS thumbsup


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Good point about the draft. We aren't locked in to ANY position groups ... especially if we sign Hicks at LB


Has there been any noise about Hicks talking to anyone?

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not that I've heard


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Great move, and good money..... I think Vers and everyone else that has been talking about doubling down with a Round 2 3T DT is spot on, too.

This three year deal is probably really just a 2 year deal unless he is still kicking butt after that 2nd year. That means he's our starter and we're taking a guy to grow behind him, but not likely investing a 1st in that. What I *can* see happening with #17, though, is if there is a stud NT sitting there that would be good enough to make Ogun depth.... but, I fully expect us to go CB or LB now.


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This guy can play.

He plays the run well and can rush the passer. He may need a breather now and then but when he is fresh he is tough.

The front 4 is much better.

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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
I don't think Richardson is the same player he once was but I'm pretty good with this deal. And I don't think it eliminates a DT at #17 either.


I certainly don't feel that it eliminates a DT at #17. But what it does do is what some of us have been talking about. Dorsey addressed our biggest needs in Vernon and Richardson so as not to force a pick in a position of need.

It gives this FO flexibility to go BPA in the draft and they aren't pigeonholed into focusing on a single position or two based on need alone.

That's the position a team wants to be in headed into the draft.


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Love it. Once again we sign a player of need. Now when we draft we can take BPA and not have to draft for need. We are going to have a kick-ass defensive line.


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Depth at this position is crucial. Last year Garrett and Ogunjobi played way too many snaps early season and they were gassed.

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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie


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YES!!! I've been pimping for Richardson since January. A Dream come True...man o Man are we looking good.

Garrett, Larry, Richardson, Vernon, Ogbah and AVERY who I think will be taking Collins SAM LB position.

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our front 4 is looking good. If we can land Roby/draft quality CB we are really going to bring some pain next year.


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The deal: Three years, $39 million with $21.5 million guaranteed
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When I previewed the Browns' offseason last month, two of my five moves were to upgrade the defensive line by adding an edge rusher and an interior disruptor to complement Myles Garrett and Larry Ogunjobi. I suggested that the Browns look at a duo of Justin Houston and Ndamukong Suh, but general manager John Dorsey did just fine with his own additions and went younger. After trading for Giants edge rusher Olivier Vernon, Dorsey filled out his defensive line by signing Richardson to a three-year deal.

This is a huge upgrade on Trevon Coley, who started for the Browns at defensive tackle in each of the past two seasons and will now likely move into a reserve role. Richardson has been routinely productive as an interior rusher and recorded in 2018 his third season with 15 or more quarterback knockdowns in six tries. He has underperformed his knockdown totals a bit, with 23.5 career sacks to show for his 76 hits, but Richardson is a very good interior pass-rusher, if not a top-tier option like Fletcher Cox or Aaron Donald.

There's too much talent involved here to really dislike this move much. The only complaints I can muster are minor. You might have hoped for a more stout run defender at the point of attack to play next to Ogunjobi, who is probably best as a Geno Atkins-style penetrating tackle. Richardson might not be asked to try to get into the backfield quite as frequently during this deal, which is a place where he excels, but I'm confident the Browns will find pass-rushing opportunities for both of their interior linemen. Richardson also had significant off-field issues earlier in his career, although that hasn't been an issue in recent years. This is realistically a two-year deal, so the Browns don't even have significant exposure if things go south.


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This is realistically a two-year deal, so the Browns don't even have significant exposure if things go south.


Yeah... a two year deal most likely. Maybe even a one-year deal if most of the money is paid in 2019 with a smallish cap hit in 2020.


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our front 4 is looking good. If we can land Roby/draft quality CB we are really going to bring some pain next year.


Here's to our depth holding up. thumbsup


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This is realistically a two-year deal, so the Browns don't even have significant exposure if things go south.


Yeah... a two year deal most likely. Maybe even a one-year deal if most of the money is paid in 2019 with a smallish cap hit in 2020.


A post-June 1st release in 2019 allows us to spread the remainder of his cap hit from that $20MM guaranteed over the 2019 & 2020 seasons. So, yes, it can easily be a one year deal if it needs to be.


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I have no idea why we would trade ogbah. Unlike oline , the rotation of d lineman is important. Wasn’t it last year we had d lineman taking 80+ snaps per game. That has to result in fatigue as the game progresses. I hope we keep ogbah and add an edge rusher in the draft.

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I would keep Ogbah for sure. Cheap, expereicned depth


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I have no idea why we would trade ogbah. Unlike oline , the rotation of d lineman is important. Wasn’t it last year we had d lineman taking 80+ snaps per game. That has to result in fatigue as the game progresses. I hope we keep ogbah and add an edge rusher in the draft.


Our defensive line, as it is right now, is pretty deep. We have multiple guys (Ogbah, Coley) who have been starters in the past as backups. We also have Avery as a backup pass rusher and Chris Smith as a guy who can play all over the line.

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Keeping Ogbah this year would give us plenty of depth to allow for drafting Jeffery Simmons and allowing him enough time to heal properly. If you believe he is a guy that Dorsey has his sights on.

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Ogbah is in the last year of his deal. It is a prime time to trade him, if we want to.


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I think he has his eye on BPA and the Richardson signing made that a very likely scenario.


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Man, there are a ton of good football posts since I last checked-in. I love when these kind of discussions occur. thumbsup

One note. I liked that article that cfrs posted that graded the signing. I have a question, though. I thought Richardson was pretty good against the run, but the author suggests he isn't. Anyone have any thoughts on Richardson's run defense?

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia
I have no idea why we would trade ogbah. Unlike oline , the rotation of d lineman is important. Wasn’t it last year we had d lineman taking 80+ snaps per game. That has to result in fatigue as the game progresses. I hope we keep ogbah and add an edge rusher in the draft.


Our defensive line, as it is right now, is pretty deep. We have multiple guys (Ogbah, Coley) who have been starters in the past as backups. We also have Avery as a backup pass rusher and Chris Smith as a guy who can play all over the line.


Chad Thomas is an unknown who may contribute as well.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
That's the position a team wants to be in headed into the draft.


It also lessens the need for us to move up in the draft. We likely can now wait for it to come to us... nanner


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Thanks for the information.

I'll be watching closely to see if PFF's grades are accurate because I always heard that he was good against the run and I saw the same thing when I watched him play.

My issue w/him was always whether or not he could stay out of trouble.

I do hope he does well against the run because I really believe that is a "need" for us.

Thanks again for the report.

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Dorsey showing he is making SMART moves - finding quality, veteran starters that won't break the bank .... AND giving us maximum flexibility on draft day.

Really pretty darn impressive.


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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
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Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia
I have no idea why we would trade ogbah. Unlike oline , the rotation of d lineman is important. Wasn’t it last year we had d lineman taking 80+ snaps per game. That has to result in fatigue as the game progresses. I hope we keep ogbah and add an edge rusher in the draft.


Our defensive line, as it is right now, is pretty deep. We have multiple guys (Ogbah, Coley) who have been starters in the past as backups. We also have Avery as a backup pass rusher and Chris Smith as a guy who can play all over the line.


Chad Thomas is an unknown who may contribute as well.


I am not optimistic, but it’s not a huge deal with all this depth. Everyone whiffs on draft picks.

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Three of the pundits, not homers, are saying we may turn out to be one of the most dangerous D lines in the game.

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Do we keep Ogbah for depth, or is he now trade bait?

Ogbah is making $2 million and is in the last year of his deal. I'd keep him to make sure everything else works out as planned. Then if it does and you lose him at the end of the year, so be it.


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Do we keep Ogbah for depth, or is he now trade bait?

Ogbah is making $2 million and is in the last year of his deal. I'd keep him to make sure everything else works out as planned. Then if it does and you lose him at the end of the year, so be it.


And get a comp pick. Or he has a bounce back year without having injuries.


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I think he would still command at least a 5th round pick in trade value and I wouldn't consider it, myself anyway, before draft day.


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