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As if any of the trump sheep care about coming together. Isn’t it obvious that trumps agenda is to separate America by race and class? You’re either with him all in, or you’re his enemy. He’s set the table. What side are you all going to sit on?

Do you assume that anyone who disagrees with a liberal stance is a Trump sheep?

Nope. I’ve never said that and never meant to imply that.

The GOP sheep on Capitol Hill who are jumping of the cliff which trump, and fox propaganda who have turned a very small percentage of Americans and a couple of my family members into a-holes. They’re all the sheep.

On the upside to all of this chaos ... environmental issues and gun control have a open door now. Enjoy.

I learned a long time ago to be suspect of Pyramid Schemes and Rocket's threads.

Well, sonny, I find it absolutely FASCINATING to read your comments on Agenda Man's tactics and behavior, with apparently no sense of irony whatsoever on your part.

The exaggerated claims of being persecuted, attacked, and ganged up on?

The over-reliance on victimization by nearly non-existent boogeymen?

Reports of violence offered in defense of the cause?

Demonization and denunciation of others as a smokescreen to cover up individual failings?

Also, an active campaign by those in power to avoid discussion of these specific issues?

You see no parallels, here, at all?

You can strip out the racial overtones and replace it with a different flavor...

Religious, ethnicity, race, they all work equally well, and can wind up in the same place.

Genocide....

The only alternative is not to engage in the behavior of hate based on difference.

It is what I try to do and suggest to others... it is a learned behavior that needs to be unlearned.

j/c

People who are not looking for a message won't find it. Those looking for a message can see it plain as day.....

“We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.” - David Duke

Nelson, are you a white nationalist or white supremacist?

Duke's idea of taking America back is completely different from the idea of 99 percent of Trump's supporters and to suggest otherwise is shameful bigotry on your part.

-Securing our Borders
-Job Creation for all
-Fair Trade Deals with other Nations
-Curbing Abortion
-Ending Political Correctness and promoting Free Speech
-Putting Government back in the hands of the People

These are some of the things the 99 percent voted for.

Step by Step by Step they are getting done.

That is just pouring gasoline onto a fire, and you should think about what you say.

First, Pit, your comments involving a man who represents a fraction of a percentage point of American population, your contention that he somehow in your warped version of reality, speaks for all or any significant fraction of white americans, are repugnant and despicable. Blatant ignorant pandering.

Now, sonny, I will explain how this works. You don't answer my questions, I don't answer yours. However, you answer mine, and I Will answer yours. Ask Swish, though he forgot what question he actually asked.

Do you, or do you not, see a strong correlation between your comments on a particular poster's statements and tactics, and the general theme of your pyramid, as I pointed out?

Why do you keep bringing me up in your useless nonsense? I didn’t say one word to you in this thread until now.

It looks like he falls under indifference and minimization.

I brought you up, Swish, because I made you the same deal, and I honored it. You have, as I said, misquoted the question that I actually answered, but I insisted on your answer, and gave mine afterwards. If you don't want your existence referenced, you are free to cease it.

Now sonny boy is obviously afraid to even consider the concept contained in my question.

It's Ok, conquer your fear and embrace rational thought over emotional outburst. You may continue with your false accusations and baseless insinuations if you have nothing else to offer, but you should really, at least occasionally, make the effort.

Maybe if you stopped with silly name-calling I'd engage, but till then...nope.

I wonder if he will actually break down the chart in his own words, instead of just responding to others.

Or we could get another descriptive take on the benefits of turkey basters.

Or an ice cream cone.

You might as well ask for a critique of the physics involved in Mary Poppins. It is a pointless endeavor.

Now, analyzing why you will not confront the evidence that your boogeyman does not exist, in anywhere near the numbers you insist it does, is much more illuminating.

Did you feel like a White Savior, or just an ordinary savior, when you campaigned to change the name of a mountain, on a map? Anybody, perhaps a Native American, ever tell you that neither mountains nor they themselves, need maps?

The building you teach in, is it made of animal hides, or wood and plastic and metal? Electric lights? Printed books? Computers?

For all your preaching about preserving cultures, you are an implement of it's destruction.

so you still wont do a break down?

lame. nobody cares what you have to say until you actually address the topic.

So now you speak for everyone? Pfft.

I care to hear what he has to say as he is both intelligent and interesting.

So are you lying or spewing?

I've stayed away from this topic because there is zero chance of intelligent debate on such an issue.

I will say that Trump certainly encourages and enables the crazies on the extremes - it's why the NZ shooter referenced Trump ... it's why the crazy coast guard guy had a kill list of all the people Trump despises and attacks ... It's black and white in my opinion and I'm equally certain that the stooges who parrot whatever Trump says will deny it. . . . I guess my question for any historians among us - has there EVER been a time when the crazies on the fringes have so frequently named the POTUS as a source of verification or reference to further their hate filled agendas?

As for as the Pyramid of White Supremacy - I don't know. The quote from MLK was powerful and remarkable.

I do know that White Privilege is 100% real. Take any study of different ethnic groups in the USA - take a sample of the population with equal education, qualifications, background, parenting, social-economic background .... and among that group - the white's will always come out ahead. Whether you examine the low end of the spectrum and look at crimes they commit and the time they spend in jail etc - through the middle class - through to the elite. Again - I am sure those that don't want to accept this won't = and others will accept it is simply a reality.

Are we talking about our self proclaimed genius? Did someone finally draw him a picture to help him with Quick Reply.

Coming from somebody who also refuses to address the actual chart, you’re just as worthless.

So are you going to bring some intelligent debate to this forum?

Waiting.

Not a chart, a rocket pyramid scheme.

I will say that Trump certainly encourages and enables the crazies on the extremes - it's why the NZ shooter referenced Trump ... it's why the crazy coast guard guy had a kill list of all the people Trump despises and attacks ... It's black and white in my opinion and I'm equally certain that the stooges who parrot whatever Trump says will deny it. . . . I guess my question for any historians among us - has there EVER been a time when the crazies on the fringes have so frequently named the POTUS as a source of verification or reference to further their hate filled agendas?

As for as the Pyramid of White Supremacy - I don't know. The quote from MLK was powerful and remarkable.

I do know that White Privilege is 100% real. Take any study of different ethnic groups in the USA - take a sample of the population with equal education, qualifications, background, parenting, social-economic background .... and among that group - the white's will always come out ahead. Whether you examine the low end of the spectrum and look at crimes they commit and the time they spend in jail etc - through the middle class - through to the elite. Again - I am sure those that don't want to accept this won't = and others will accept it is simply a reality.

....... It's ok - I've already got you pegged for head in sand denier.

Still waiting...

https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really


I know it's a lot of words - and you might find it uncomfortable. Go on, educate yourself.

Let me give you a hint about intelligence.

It is not about blaming the major storms that hit America on Trump.
It is not about focusing on the shoes worn by the first lady.
It is not about a crazed lunatic dropping Trumps name.
It is not about crying over Trump tossing paper towels when hundreds are dead in PR.
It is not about blaming Trump for the Hate in this country while you constantly spew Hate.
It is not about blaming Trump for every ill that happens on the planet.
It is not about calling Trump a racist when he has done more for minorities than the minority president who served before him.

Those things are not intelligent, they are signs of emotional problems.

Try avoiding the insanity and focusing on Economics, Jobs, National Security, Prison Reform, Trade, Law and Order.
You know, intelligent, adult things that are real world concerns.

So you are going to be indifferent to his feelings and minimize his complaints because he isn't doing what you want him to do? Where does that put you on the pyramid? Just saying.

Seriously, I might, too. The "sonny" bit is uncalled for.

Still I think putting the name of group in a title of a chart like that is a bad idea even if (especially if) people self identify as belonging to said group. It still seems hypocritical as it basically stereotypes the group. While the things on the chart CAN be true, they aren't necessarily true and can lead to radicalizing people on the fence as they feel like they are personally, purposefully being attacked/misrepresented/stereotyped. Sort of a "if I'm going to be judged as this anyway, why try to be better?" kind of deal.

Maybe if you weren’t banned so much, maybe you would’ve actually learned what I do where I serve. You know nothing about me. Please prove with empirical evidence how I support white supremacy. Please provide receipts where I enact and use white supremacist views.

You and 40 should go light some more lamps. You truly rock as gaslighters.

I think it’s pretty easy to show and tell through actions if you support white supremacy/white nationalism.

Kind of like it’s easy enough to say and show if you like eating apples. You either do or don’t.

Go troll somewhere else.

Seriously? That's the comparison you're going with? After earlier talking about the complexity of identity?

According to the pyramid, if the militant arm of the Black Panthers and the militant arm of the KKK are having a shoot out in the street and I avoid the confrontation, I'm a white supremacist.

If a black man avoided the confrontation, would he be a white supremacist? Or a black supremacist for that matter?

Over-generalizations just seem to be a common pitfall to me. It's the way we've been conditioned to think. It's not a good thing. It leads to us vs. them dichotomies in practically every situation. The whole "if you're not with us, you're against us" resonates, but that doesn't make it true. Confrontation inevitably follows.

that makes no sense whatsoever.

It really is a straightforward thing to just give thoughts on the chart, or the situation, in general.

But when somebody continuously dodges and responds to responses with the purpose of not addressing the actual topic, it leaves one open to criticism.

Your second paragraph implies that people either don’t want to be better, or won’t even acknowledge that they CAN become better. I dunno if you read my breakdown, but I went block for block addressing it. I disagree with this notion that it’s a stereotype, especially if you already know you don’t fall under certain categories.

To me, it’s hypocritical that the same people who who don’t want to be stereotyped are the same ones who group minority groups together repeatedly. Ya know, my definition of what white privileged is that I posted in my breakdown.

You’re sentence of “why try to be better” is understood, but I still disagree with it. Apply that to any situation and it falls apart quickly.

“If people think imma racist, why bother convincing them I’m not?”

“Since people think I’m a child molester anyway, might as well keep doing it”

“People think I’m smelly, so why bother taking showers?”

Sounds good until it’s actually applied to something. Then it falls apart quickly. But hey, that’s just me. People can certainly have their opinions about me, but I simply won’t let narratives fly that aren’t true. You’re atleast gonna have your opinion of me based on correct information. Not false ones.

Makes no since that you have beef with the title of the chart. You either identify with supremacy or you don’t. But the chart explains the methodical path of complacency that leads to those groups feeling empowered.

Grimm brown isn’t racist. But if Grimm keeps making up excuses for white supremacy and nationalist, and plays the “what about game” just like them, I dunno what Grimm expects people to view him as.

I’m not accusing you of any of that, by the way. Just using an example. Complacency can and has led to complicity.

Before the holocaust in Germany, they had years of blameing everything on the Jews.

This country is beginning to blame everything on whites.

I'll agree to disagree. It may make no sense from your perspective/experience. But, people are all different, even within artificially imposed "groups." I'm also not sure what exactly you are referring to/which part.



I'll agree with you here. But both sides of the "argument" are guilty of it.



I'm not sure which 2nd paragraph you came away with that from. The entire pyramid basically says white supremacists do x, y, and z. How is that not stereotyping?



There is some hypocrisy in that, but then there is also some hypocrisy when minorities place themselves in those same groups. The drive to put things in groups unnecessarily is an issue all around.

As far as the silliness of the why try? argument, proving/disproving the things you listed are easy. However, when it comes to a version of white supremacy where doing nothing makes you a member, it's rather difficult to disprove a negative.




I haven't made any excuses. Being racist is abhorrent. At the same time, it's not a one way street. The title of the pyramid focuses on a single group for a topic that many other groups' names could also be used and apply equally. So, why not use a more general term and focus on the bad acts instead of a specific group?

Basically, it's a clickbait title that's bound to rile a lot of people up and will probably do more to divide people than bring them together.

The pyramid itself is more or less good. The title frames it in a way that will put off the people it could help the most. That seems counterproductive to me.

You're basically arguing for a safe space that removes whites from the title so white people aren't offended.

Jewish people, the people who were a minority in Germany, were used a scapegoat to justify why Germany got a bad deal after WWI.

The United States, according to the constituion, was set up to allow oppression of certain groups of people. These are facts.

White people will never be oppressed in this country. It's impossible.