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In that case, we should also stop religious organizations from federal funding too?

Federal funding of religious institutions

https://secular.org/2009/09/federal-funding-of-religious-institutions/

I do have to say that PP would look good if they just stopped preforming abortions and kept collecting the government money for the other services. If they don't they look more like the bad guys than the government does. IMO

And I think that would largely be viewed by one's perspective on the subject. One side would suggest that the government is trying to inflict religious beliefs into politics to an organization who isn't breaking any laws and other people would see it your way.

GGGRRRRR Sorry bro I really hate when somebody takes the oh it's all religions fault track. Many, and I mean MANY people think abortion is murder. It has nothing at all to do with religion for some folks YET almost all folks who support abortion try to blame religion instead of realizing that some folks(Like me) see abortion as murder just like they see killing a one year old baby as murder. Why of why do some people find that so damn hard to understand?

It's not hard to understand. But one must look at how politics actually works to understand what I'm trying to say. I actually didn't explain it very well.

Money and voting blocks have the biggest influence on politics. It works that way on both sides. The evangelical base is a huge supporter of the GOP in both votes and money. As such they have the biggest influence in GOP actions. Each party caters to its base and the evangelical base is certainly the biggest overriding factor in why the abortion business and the attacks against planned parenthood are taking place.

As you pointed out, that doesn't mean that the only people that are against abortion are in lockstep with the evangelicals. I've known you for many years and understand you aren't in the "evangelical group". But I think you would have to reach the conclusion that the GOP needs the evangelicals and this is certainly an issue that they push hard to the GOP.

Oh I agree they push it hard, just like the other side pushes hard. We could explain this crap much better to each other over dinner and diet cokes and much faster as well Just one more reason for me to really dislike BOTH sides.

Yet you have no issue when we take a non-religious view that others should not be able to tell women what to do with their bodies and their lives. You view conception a sacred and the beginning of life, so you call us baby killers. I can't tell you haw many times I've been called that and I've never had nor prompted anyone to have an abortion. But because I believe in the LAW which supports a pro choice agenda, I get slammed.

You think my rant was harsh and over the top (I noticed you stopped your copy paste quote before the 'not really' part), yet I never once have seen you come to my defense when being called a baby killer. Not once.

You know I like you GM and consider us friends. I also think you know I have your back on pretty much everything. But I can not go along with this type of subversive skirting of the national laws or human rights of the individuals (women) they target.

It would be much easier to explain in person. It's what makes it so damned hard for me to vote. I certainly understand your reasoning for voting the way you do. We don't always agree on who and why we vote the way we do, but we have enough respect for each other to understand it and give the other the room to be who they are.

There's just not enough of that going around these days. With my back being what it is I usually don't travel very far. But if we are ever close to each other in location, you can bet I'll make it a point to get together. We always have great time and there's nobody I'd rather break bread with.

We disagree on this 100 percent BUT at least we respect each others point of view bro. Some times you go overboard, as well as I do. I admit that 100 percent because we are so passionate about it. But what I like is that we can bash each other over the head and still not take it personal



I think your rant was over the line. The not really part I didn't agree with. Hell if I said I think woman who die from back ally abortions deserve to die and it's their own damn fault then added just kidding I would be hearing about it for the rest of my days here on earth.

One of these days we have to get together for lunch/dinner/ or drinks bro so we can pat each other on the back while calling each other crazy LOL

Hell if your ever within a few hours of here I will break my neck to meet up and spend some more time with you my friend * I need one of those damn love emoji's like they have on facebook *

The not really bit wasn't meant as just joking, it was meant as I really wouldn't wish that on anyone even though it would be justified. The minute anyone forces their religious beliefs or political beliefs on another by doing some creepy ass crap like defunding to skirt the law of the land, they are scum in my book.

You didn't do it, but you are happy it was done and that irks the hell out of me. It won't change our overall relationship, but I'm going to point it out anyway.

It's tactics like this that get me mad at the far right. I get steamed when the left does stuff like this too but they do it much less as far as I am aware.

Here's the thing, Rowe vs. Wade is settled law to most of America, even most of the right. It's a battle they hate losing, like the 2016 elections for dems only 50 years longer. They now have the court stacked so they should just use the legislative powers of Congress to change the law and let the courts rule. But they don't want to be seen as attacking abortion in public because women vote on both sides and it would be catastrophic at the ballot box for them. So they do this low awareness sneak attack crap to skirt the law and hurt women without them knowing what the hell is happening or getting to vote on it. That's deplorable dogmatic dreg crap.

Which is what I said and how I feel BUT I don't want to wish harm on anybody as I am just as far from perfect as anybody else



As are the justices who voted to pass Roe V Wade in my book, and as the ones who vote to overturn Roe V Wade would be in your book.



I see both sides as just as guilty. What bothers me even more is when it is just tactics. Not beliefs or feelings. We have different beliefs and I am cool with that 100 percent. If it was just a matter of us having different tactics then I could see both of us having good reason to not like or get along with each other.



We just see this different. You see this as a sneak attack. I see it as saving babies *even if it is just one* Tell me you wouldn't do whatever you could to save a three year old kid from being murdered if you could.

j/c

This may not be popular, but I'll say it.

Planned Parenthood is known for providing abortions, ok? They also do much more, no doubt.

My first wife's very good friend got pregnant in her first year of college. I do not recall details, as it was almost 30 years ago.

I heard her talk at church one time, about that, and much more.

She went to planned parenthood - basically to find out options. What she saw, and heard, convinced her to NOT have an abortion.

Her daughter is now 29 years old, married, and has kids of her own.

I do NOT know exactly what she saw or heard in her first meeting with pp.

Don't be that guy. Obviously I would and you already know that. But I don't see the fetus as a baby like you do. I go along with the third trimester viability argument and I go along with the killing a pregnant mother as taking two lives... But it's just an extension of her body until viability... AND my actual feeling is birth marks the beginning of a 'legal' life but I've conceded the latter pregnancy argument in my compromise. I'd even be good with a pro choice law of 12-16 weeks max. but I will never be good with taking away choice or accessibility for those who want/need it. It's not my place or anyone else's as far as I'm concerned.

However, I wouldn't back a woman for killing her kids. I wouldn't let somebody kill a baby in front of me without doing anything. I wouldn't let somebody hurt a child in any mean or cruel way. (spanking them as a corrective measure not included, we need more of that within reason).

So don't be that guy bro.

But I am that guy. I always have been and always will be.



I know you wouldn't. BUT what you refuse to see is that I would never back a woman for killing her kids either and in my heart I believe 100 percent that is what she is doing when she has an abortion. So how can you fault me for feeling the same way you do when it comes to protecting children??? So you see we are both being "That Guy"

When I was in my early 20's and with a low paying job that didn't offer insurance....I went to PP for various reasons (not abortion) because the alternative of going to a Gyno office is expensive.

I just had a PAP smear recently, and my insurance was suspended because I was late paying the bill. So I had to pay out of pocket for that, and the 5 blood tests they run. Not including the pee test they tried to make me take. (I can't pee on command) It was a lot of money that would have been more than half my rent if I tried to pay for that out of pocket when I was young.

PP serves many purposes for young folk and people with limited incomes. How can anyone justifying taking that away?

The people who want to defund it for the purpose of furthering their political agenda are evil.

BTW when was a law passed that said tax payer money must be used to pay for abortions?

I'm not sure, why did they need to pass one to block it?

Not sure

j/c:

I don't believe that people who hold religious beliefs should be forced to support financially an institution that they feels goes against their beliefs. I think planned parenthood provides some great services to women. I don't see why the two cannot be separated, especially as it has been said, since it is a small part of what they do. If this was TRULY not about politics, planned parenthood would put their patients first and separate that part of their business as to avoid this type of defunding.

The fact that they refuse leads me to believe they are a political player as they are hurting their patients by refusing to separate abortions from healthcare for women. Much like Gun control on the left, this issue will not just be dropped by hard rights.


I am not fully read on the issues, this is just my opinion on a subject that I have very shallow knowledge on.

Because even thought its a small part of what they do in terms of services, its the main money maker.

The Hyde Amendment insures that tax payer money is not used for abortion. It's been that way since 1976. This is a myth that those who haven't actually looked into this continue to perpetuate.

I'm sure the Hyde amendment did not take into consideration that the GOP would do everything in their power to make it hard to access abortion services regardless in taxpayer funds were used to ACTUALLY perform the procedure. I'm not sure how having a facility with 6 foot wide halls is taxpayer funded. I'm not sure how defunding an affiliate because a separate location uses non-taxpayer funds to perform the procedure is covered. What it seems like to me is that the GOP just wants to control the ability to get an abortion via taking away every option a woman has without actually attempting to overturn ROE vs. WADE.

Why? I'll tell you why, because that would cost them tremendous losses at the ballot box. This is why Ohio's defunding of PP was done in hopes of forcing the court to take it up and then to revisit RvW (now that the GOP shadily stacked the SCOTUS). If this works and RvW is overturned without a national vote, the GOP will have succeeded in avoiding the high political price by making the SCOTUS a legislative branch of the GOP with unquestionable authority to skirt the constitution.

Then what's next? Religion? Equal Rights? Voting Rights? Entitlement Programs?... With a SCOTUS that can legislate from the bench and uphold its own decisions our democracy dies. The GOP is trying to dismantle America.

Abortion has been being legally chipped away at since this decision in 1992 by the Supreme Court.

Clinton and Obama also rewed the Hyde amendment if my memory is correct?

That stands to reason why they would refuse to give it up.