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Welp part of "the plan" is revealed.

Welcome to the Browns Eric Murray.

Best of Luck Ogbah.

I can't wait to see Murray outplay him in the AFC championship game.

I remember Murray pretty well when he came out. I had no idea he had converted to Safety.

To me, this is a sign we definitely have Gardner Johnson out of Florida on our radar. Cornerback who can play safety. Can tackle, but also can cover, which is important in todays game. There may be a changing of times in what teams are looking for traditionally in a 'strong' safety role.

Why do you guys keep talking about Sashi? In an effort to forget about Hue the Boll Weevil.


Let's keep it current, OK?

Eric Murray....I can't say I know anything about him, but it looks like John Drafted him...Looks like a fair trade to me. Both teams trading players who never really worked out but with a change of scenery, who knows?

He's here to boost our ST & back up S. Word out of KC is he was one of their top guys on ST's.

He rated out better than Kindred @ S.( PFF 52 / 91 rank ).

I'm all for adding impact players to our ST's, last yr was painful to watch.

I look for a play on M Burnett or T Boston & draft a SS in the draft.

Welcome aboard. Win some games!

Thanks for the info. I left my phone at home today and was out all day. I just came back to the news.

No doubt we need a few special team players.

Good luck to ogbah. Hope this is a positive move forward for him.

I hope so as well, but not as much as I hope a nice move for Murray.

As Freddie said, if is isn't Orange and Brown, it doesn't matter.

Eric Murray,CB, Minnesota: 2016 NFL Draft Scouting Report
https://nflmocks.com/2016/02/19/eric-murraycb-minnesota-2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

Strengths

Physical corner with long arms (31 1/2inches) and wins at the point of attack because of his gifted physicality. Has great field awareness which translate to his understanding of the opponent’s tendencies. Does a good job at being physical in the run game. Doesn’t have a problem with holding his own against bigger, more physical wide outs. One of the better run-support corners in the nation.

Though Murray doesn’t have the best ball skills, he naturally knows how to disrupt the ball between the receiver (24 career pass breakups). Plays best when asked to play in a Cover-2 role where he only plays 14 yards down. If taught, Murray could make the transition to strong safety or play in a nickel safety role.

The perfect scheme fit for Murray would be with a team that runs a defense similar to a Tampa-2 defense. Has a nice frame that could hold u to 210 lbs. Forces receivers to beat him at the line of scrimmage. His hand placement against faster, more quick wideouts is impressive along with his patience.

Weakness

Not as good as advertised around the Big 10 conference. Showed flashes while playing in zone coverage but is a liability when playing man to man. It’s not that he isn’t athletic enough to keep up with receivers but the fact that he doesn’t technically know how to defend deep like most of the top corners in the nation. Has impressive size and decent speed but when in space, his hip movements causes issues. Murray isn’t very swift in his footwork and tends to guess when back towards the quarterback.

It is not very often that you find a corner as physical as Murray but that same trait leads him to get called on penalties. Does ok in close space but shouldn’t be asked to play inside. Doesn’t have elite quickness from sideline to sideline. With only two career interceptions, NFL teams are going to question his ball skills.

Final Projection: 4th-5th rounder

I'm on another board that is discussing the trade. Open forum with fans of all sports, and chiefs fans are saying Murray isn't good at all. They are surprised Murray was all it took to get Ogbah.

The Chiefs defense wasn't good at all.

From everything I read about the guy - he's a special teams ace, but an average safety. I read this as special teams and backup safety to whomever we draft.

Well, maybe Dorseys ego is interfering with making sound football decisions?



I'll wait to make a final decision on that one.

Agreed. Baker looks great, as do most of Dorsey's picks here so far. I'm very happy with basically everything he has done. But even so, his career percentage at #1 overall is 50%.

I'm just glad the hit was here, and at QB no less.

Nah, my hunch is Ogbah wanted out so he decided to get something for him while he could - and made special teams better (presumably) and added depth (he can play both safety positions and was a CB in college) at the same time.

Came here to learn about Murray, he sounds disappointing, I was at least hoping he's a utility starter.

I believe we mentioned Murray a few years ago on the draft side of the forum, he sounds awfully familiar...However hopefully he is just a depth piece for us.

Not really understanding this trade; Ogbah was good, cheap depth. Who's to say he doesn't have a good year as a sub path rusher (when giving someone a breather or if someone get hurt), and he ends up with 5-6 sacks. He would net us a comp pick better than this.

I agree in that I would have rather kept Ogbah. However, it's really, really hard for any objective person to question Dorsey at this point. The dude has upgraded this roster in a ridiculously short period of time that it's almost hard to believe.

Even if this isn't a good trade, it sure isn't something that is going to really hold this team back. LOL

Hmmmmmmmm....Murray reminds me a lot on the surface of another CB/S convert we traded for not that long ago.

Let's hope this one works out as well.

A lot of talk about how some of our players wanted out. If that's the case, i'm glad it's not as public as the steelers debacle even though those are "super stars" and ours are "replaceable" according to some.

No.

Randall started thirty games at corner before being traded to us. Murray has started 11 games total.

The most we should expect out of Murray is a solid special teams contributor, which is valuable. If he's playing a ton of snaps as an in the box safety then we are in a bad spot.

I think you're being a little pessimistic. Plus, I did say on the surface.

Randall wasn't a world beater when we acquired him.

Maybe Murray can be a better fit here, too, and maybe the increased PT helped him develop. Position switches can take time.

I'm trying to remember what I thought of him when he was coming out in the draft. Name looks familiar.

How often have you watched the dude play?

I am not saying he is good or bad, but I watch a lot more football than almost everyone on here and I can't say I have a real good take on the dude. Methinks you are using what you read rather than actually watching him.

Am I wrong?

Perhaps so, but still we're better off than this morning.

I like Dorsey's plan for fixing our SS position from last year ... Tear it down and start over ... One brick at a time.

I think the plan was to start Jabrill Peppers, but we had to trade him to get OBJ (which I would do every time). Wilks was said to be very excited about Peppers and his role on the defense.

I'd rather have the defensive line depth than Murray. With that said, as you stated above, this move won't make or break us.

Because I didn't watch every Chiefs game I have to go off other stuff. The other stuff consists of reading things written by people who know more than me and stats. If we were only allowed to comment on players we knew well then this forum would be pretty barren.

I wasn't suggesting you shouldn't comment. I was simply trying to add some perspective. That's all...

I think that both teams acquired positions of need. Maybe KC got a better player, but that remains to be seen.

We have other guys at DE.

Eric Murray graded above average and Kindred graded below average with pff.

Perhaps we have a win, win trade here.

I agree. We don't know anything about the guy.

As far as the trade, it probably doesn't look good and does leave people wondering. In the end, as you said, it isn't going to make or break our season...plus, maybe this kid has just been behind guys on the depth chart...maybe he turns in to something.

If it turns out to be a bad move, Dorsey still grades out with an A

Ogbah was such a disappointment last season. Two players both in their final year, this was a depth swap.

I believe hernia

Think Dorsey will trade anyone he has no intention of signing to 2nd contracts.

SMART.

You CANNOT count on compensatory picks. Move em NOW.

Indeed. Had pre-season surgery on it IIRC. Never really got up to speed.

One of many links referring to the sports hernia

He was a healthy scratch.