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If that is seriously what you "took" from both my posts? Sorry I was trying to think of something simple for an example. This is why I post little on the politics section.

You don't want to have a discussion and nothing will change your mind. I think Trump is an A****le ( I apologize if this is hidden profanity) and I don't doubt he has had plenty of shady deals in his career. But incriminating "evidence" can me small stuff like this( and no, I don't literally mean a $100 lottery ticket) that gets leaked to the press with the next day headline,, "Trump found to file false tax returns" The amount or details won't be discussed.

I have seen it happen for 45 years since my teens from both sides, however I will add, not as bad as the past 15 years or so.

So are you saying you don't believe he should release his tax returns or you understand why he doesn't want to release his tax returns?

Because I believe the truth is much closer to what Bpg said in this quote.

Why is that Jr. and Kushner would have had "attempted" collusion for getting dirt, when the DNC paid for dirt in the dossier and it was A-Ok?

The GOP were the one's who started paying for the Steele dossier.

Let me see if you can make it through this.

Steele was not a representative of a foreign government. England was not actively interfering in our elections at the time. England is not an enemy of the United States.

If you need any further help, let me know.

The lawyer was not a representative of the government either.

And who "started" doesn't matter. If your best buddy pulls a gun on a cashier, and then you follow suit after the fact, him starting the crime doesn't matter. You still participated in it.

Fusion GPS has ties to multiple foreign governments.

Let me know if you every want to leave your bias at the door.

My bias is obvious. I hate a scum bag and hate monger running my country.

And I felt the same way about Hillary only for different reasons.

I put country ahead of party. Sorry you don't share such a bias.

So you agree with my points, since you cannot dispute any of them. So its ok to play dirty against the person you don't like, simply because you don't like them. You see, I don't like to pick and choose how we implement the law based on if you like someone or not. I believe everyone is entitled to the same playing rules - scum bag or not.

I put that to bed when the Mueller report did not charge a single American of conspiracy.


Look Putin is dangerous, he is a savage dictator and pushing him into a corner is not in Americas best interest. So you can look at it in two ways, we need to go after him and really put the pressure on him or you need to do what Trump has done, routinely sanction him and oppose him politically (Venezuela).

It's a matter of personal opinion honestly and mine is that embarrassing guys like Kim and Putin to prove some domestic point is a mistake.

No I don't.

New Charges Against Russian Lawyer Who Met Trump Jr. Reveal Her Ties to Kremlin

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/08/new...ies-to-kremlin/

But see, facts don't matter to you. You wish to try and compare the two as the same.

Fusion GPS is a commercial research and strategic intelligence firm.

But you wish to make them out as the same. Sometimes it's not smart to enter a fools paradise.

Some people wish to enter into honest debate. Some people just like to make BS up and state them as fact. I tend to avoid engaging too much with the latter.

Some of the things you say simply aren't worthy of debate.

From the article you presented



since we are talking about "facts"

Please ask yourself why the "no American colluded with Russia" is so hard to get through your TDS driven mindset.

Also, how many times did this "media" outlet, report that there was collusion in the last 2 years.

I would think by now you would realize, that simple article means jack squat in the name of a fact.

Its nice to know you don't believe everyone deserves the same playing rules. . . . . .

You don't bother to even read this board do you? I've said many times I accept the conclusion Trump didn't collude with Russia.

And what difference does it make if the charges against her aren't tied to the investigation? They still show her ties to the Russian government. Everyone does deserve the same playing rules.

That's why when you leave a trail that suggests you may have colluded with Russia you get investigated. Just because you get investigated for something doesn't mean you're guilty of it.

I gave you evidence that she is directly involved with the Russian government. That's what you asked for. That's what you claimed didn't exist. Now you're just blabbering on about something else. About what I expected.

My statement



Pitt response



Yet, here you and damon have all day been saying we need to see his tax returns to make sure he didn't obstruct. (as if a tax return would show that). You see they wouldn't show obstruction, but the left is hoping the tax returns show a tie to Russia so they can say "Boom" and be wrong again.

This is what I was responding to when I said, "No I don't."

Then I went on to point out the flaws in your points.

I've never said any of that.

I've said that every president since L.B.J. has released their tax returns and Trump supporters keep making excuses as to why he shouldn't have to meet the same standards as every other president. He should.

I have no idea what they will or won't show. Which is the exact same thing I said about the Russian investigation.

You just keep making up BS, but since that's what you support in a president I'm not surprised.

Then why do you need to see them?

"because every president befor LBJ....."

That's not a reason, its a talking point to deflect from the reason you want to see them.

So, I ask again, which I have to you and damon, why do you want to see his tax returns?

to prove he's a crook.

Ok.

How so? Has the IRS not gone over his tax returns? Mueller? Are you saying that you, OCD are more qualified to comb through his tax returns and prove "hes a crook" than the IRS and Mueller?

Because I can tell you, if they proved he "was crook", the IRS/Mueller would have done something- right? SMH

J/C

The IRS and one of the most esteemed investigators of our time couldn't find anything in in Trumps Tax Returns - yet the random guy on DawgTalkers Message Board can determine hes a crook by looking at them.

See, you just keep making excuses why Trump shouldn't have to follow the same standard as every other president. There is no excuse.

I've always been taught that you never volunteer any information unless you're compelled to by law.....If you don't have to, then you don't do it....

As I said the other day, the threat is a bigger weapon than the reality and it all feeds the distraction...

Remember the republicans were going after Bill Clinton when he left office? Never happened.

Dems were going after GWB and Dick Cheney for war crimes when they left office? Never happened.

Republicans were going after Obama, Hillary, et.al? Never happened.

It's the bluster, it's the threat, it's the possibility that keeps people all riled up.. but nobody in office really wants any of it to ACTUALLY happen..

Trump won't release the stuff because it's a power trip to prove he doesn't have to give in... Dems want it for the reason stated about by jfa.. not just to see if they can prove what they think but to fish for whatever little details they can choose to make a big deal about.

Remember, I think it was Cheney who released his tax returns and there was nothing remarkable about them but the dems latched onto the small amount he claimed to have given to charity... create a big distraction..

I swear they are all in it together, keeping us focused on crap that doesn't matter while they steal our wallets..

I think Pit & OCD think Trump is crook because the liberal media tells them to think that. They call him a hate monger but he has done more for minorities than any Prez I can remember. He got 4 million off Food Stamps and I don't know how many off welfare. Both programs exploded under Obama.
Tax returns, Muellar report? Would you want a bunch of scumbag lying Dems\Libs going over every word off your taxes and Muellar report. By the time they get done spinning you sheep will be looking to hire hitmen.
Trump is a big time businessman. There probably is stuff in his back ground he is not proud of. He's not a community organizer. O came to Washington broke and came out a multi millionaire. Nothing to see here right. I don't like Trump as a person but I do like him as a President. You want to talk about obstruction look at your people.

Like you know what Mueller looked at and didn't look at... Did Barr tell you that or Fox?

Give your boy an attaboy for factless trolling, then try to pile on with some Breitbart stuff... typical Trumpian.

Is that why Bpg thinks that too?

Just more excuses and trying to blame others because you don't expect Trump to release his taxes like every president has since L.B.J.

I guess I could say that you're just afraid of what holding him to the same standard as other presidents may disclose.

I think you need to send a message to the 193 GOP congressmen that voted that the Mueller report should be made public. I mean they were just brain washed by the liberals, right?

All you Republicans used to scream about transparency in politics until it comes time for Trump to be transparent. Then you try to find a scape goat to blame for why he shouldn't be.

Because I'm not convinced that no american colluded with Russia... That's why..


But again with the excuses and distractions..

I think Trump is a con man and a crook and a liar... I don't believe there is a question about that at all.

But again, when people say to me that it's the liberal media guiding the narrative, I just laugh. I don't need the liberal media to feel the way I do. In fact, I rarely watch anything about this situation. I mostly read something called Smart News. It's a compilation of all news sources including Brietbart, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, Forbes, Newsweek and a host of others. It's an app on my Iphone. (FYI, if all you want to see is Fox, you can cut the others out)

So, basically, when that kinda stuff is thrown in my face, I know that all it is is a feeble attempt to distract from the situation.

Trump Lies... Trump is an IDIOT. Trump doesn't know where his father was born, Trump doesn't know how to pronounce the word "origin", Trump thinks that the Flores Decision has something to do with the Judge that was giving him a hard time on the Trump University case and he keeps calling him out for it,,,,,, Problem, the Flores Decision has absolutely nothing to do with Judge Flores.. NOT ONE DAMN thing... Nothing. Look up Jenny Lisette Flores to find out more if you choose. But he's to freaking dumb to know that.

Trump said he'd never touch Medicare or SS, he promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with a plan that would cover everyone, and now look, his new budget calls for the dissolution of Obamacare, his proposed budget cuts Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security and to top it off, he's wants to take money out of the Military budget to build a wall to satisfy his base,.,, when in fact, there is no need for more wall... Yesterday he went to the border and told everyone that this new wall was part of what he was building.. LIE.

It's an old Fence that was Updated recently and the budget was put in during the Obama admin.


He's also a coward. That's just something he has in common with all other bullies..


But, putting all that aside, if he and you thinks he's so innocent, then you should demand that the Mueller report and his taxes be released.... I mean if you ever want to shut me up, that's what needs to happen.

But distraction won't work, I ain't buying into it..

I wonder how the tax law change benefitted Trump.

I wonder if his hotel has been doing gangbusters since he became President.

I wonder how much of his income is derived from overseas relationships.

There are plausible reasons to request the returns.

The only true requirments for a president is that he be 35 years old and a natural born citizen.

Lbj released his for a publicity stunt. Every candidate since has released a sanitized tax return. They've all been nothing to see. Libs only want his returns to create controversy. I wish all of you would have doggedly pursued obummers hidden documents.

If he's clean then what does he have to fear?

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I could make the argument time and again that the DOJ, FBI, and other government agencies doing any sort of investigation are completely corrupt. See examples of Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Clapps, Brennan, McCabe, Page, Ohr, Strozk.

You'll never get the full report because that would be illegal. You may get some portions of it where sections are blacked out though.

I love the fact that there's no probable cause for any of this. You're innocent until proven guilty, at least I thought so.

How would it be illegal? There is no part of the report that cannot be released with a court order, and no part that cannot be viewed by congressional leaders for any reason! LMAO

This argument that congressional dems don't have the right to see the unredacted report is pure BS.

...but Daman think's he's hiding something!

Congress has the legal right to request and be given his tax returns. Now let's see how far he'll go to avoid following the law to continue to hide what's in them.

Maybe when you're a billionaire and give out huge tax cuts, you shouldn't be telling the lie that you and your family have nothing to gain from it.

I know, I know. Him telling lies every day to the American people he supposedly represents doersn't mean anything anymore since your side won an election.

I know, that doesn't make sense does it? I mean since he just turned them over without a fight like everyone else has done...... Wait a minute, that is the exact opposite of being true isn't it?

I'm so used to hearing the opposite of the truth that it's beginning to become normal. But Trump is counting on that.

Lol. So he should turn everything over because Daman thinks he's hiding something?

I'm not Damon and IMO, no that's not why. But I do agree with Damon that his refusal to do so, even now to the extent of hiring a legal team to fight an existing law that allows congress access to them does look highly suspicious. That trying to use an audit as another excuse when people running for president have released their tax returns while under audit in the past is suspicious as well. So if he doesn't have anything to hide he's sure doing his best to make it look as though he does.

I've made my points very clear throughout this thread why I feel he needs to release them. Every president overt the past 50 years have released them and Trump isn't some special circumstance. Those who support him should expect him to live up to the same minimum standard of past presidents.

And secondly, at this time congress has a legal right to them and rather than fight the law, he should be following the law.

And thirdly transparency in government has been a long held belief of Republicans. At this juncture I'm beginning to wonder how many more of their values they're willing to turn their backs on to support this mans actions.

Just because YOU and Damon think he's hiding something doesn't make it so.

Mulvaney: Democrats Will ‘Never’ See Trump’s Tax Returns






7 Apr 2019



On this week’s broadcast of “Fox News Sunday,” acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney declared Democrats would “never” see President Trump’s tax returns despite Ways and Means Committee chairman Richard Neal (D-MA) formal request to obtain them from the IRS.

Mulvaney said, “They knew they are not going to get these taxes. They know what the law is. They know one of the fundamental principles of the IRS is to protect the confidentiality of you and me and everybody else who files taxes. They know that. They know the terms under law by which the IRS can give them the documents, but political hit job is not one of those reasons.”

When asked if the Democrats will ever see the president’s tax returns, Mulvaney said, “Oh no never. Nor should they. Keep in mind that’s an issue that was already litigated during the election. Voters knew the president could have given his tax returns. They knew that he didn’t, and they elected him anyway. That’s what drives them crazy. They know they are not going to get this. They just want attention on the issue because they don’t want to talk to us about policy.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/04/07/mulvaney-democrats-will-never-see-trumps-tax-returns/

Just a question, How many of those have testified in front of congress?

Clinton, Comey, McCabe, Page, Strozk... Those I know for sure.

how many charges have been brought and proven?

NONE.

Ok, if that's the case, then why hide things like the Mueller report and his taxes... Why do that? That has been my question since the beginning..

Nobody has given me an answer...