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Right "Fake news" is that AT BEST the FBI misled the court.
Such fake news. Please.
Hand picked in this instance is important because Trump I copied the part that is really important to you.. it's not important. It's no more important than Holder protecting Obama from any and all fall-out from Fast and Furious and making sure that only a few middling folks got punished for his tremendous blunder.. these people protect each other, that's what they do. Two more cases of TDS.
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The saddest part is that you think either of us actually gives a crap about Donald Trump. The fact is you're the only one thinking about his penis at a time like this.
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The saddest part is that you think either of us actually gives a crap about Donald Trump. The fact is you're the only one thinking about his penis at a time like this. I'm not thinking about anybody's penis! lmao I'm just thinking about how stiffly you stand up for Trump. Similar I guess...
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Right, perfectly normal to run an at a minimum QUESTIONABLE dossier to obtain a warrant to wiretap a campaign. You could not possibly split more hairs if you tried. Come on! 1. Hillary Clinton and the DNC Secretly Paid for the Dossier When the dossier first appeared on the scene, it was portrayed as a top-notch intelligence product put together by a top-notch intelligence official whose work history was credible.
It turned out to have been secretly bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee. They took extreme care to cover their tracks by funneling the money through a law firm that hired the Democratic researchers to cook up the dossier. The research product was then funneled to the media and the federal government.
Republican investigators found this out over the strenuous objections and process wrangling of Democratic members such as Rep. Adam Schiff, who fought tooth and nail to keep the funding of the dossier hidden. This information was leaked to friendly media only under pressure from congressional investigators.
This fact of the funding was obscured, just as the HPSCI report said, by the FBI in a page-long word salad when they applied to a secret court to wiretap a Trump affiliate. It was obscured so well that Comey, who signed one of the applications, could get away with claiming he had no idea that Clinton and the DNC funded the dossier.
Speaking of gaslighting, CBS News ran an Associated Press “fact” “check” that claimed “It’s not correct to call the Steele dossier a ‘Clinton Campaign document.'”
2. The Dossier Was Used to Secure a Wiretap Against a Trump Affiliate When CNN received its leak about the dossier from highly placed intelligence officials, it reported as if the dossier was a legitimate piece of research that sober-minded intelligence agencies took very seriously. The unintentional hero of the story was BuzzFeed, which ran the actual dossier in all its glory.
Americans learned that the dossier claimed a senior advisor to Trump and three of his colleagues had met with Kremlin operatives in Prague in late August or early September to undermine the Clinton campaign. They also learned the Russians had a file of “kompromat” on Trump, including an amazing story about him renting a hotel room that the Obamas had used and paying prostitutes to urinate on the bed.
People could see for themselves how ridiculous, preposterous, and immediately debunkable some of the most important claims were. The revelation of how fever-dreamed and sophomoric the dossier was, at least in major parts, cast doubt on the wisdom of the top political brass at intelligence agencies, much less their propriety and ability to handle information with any discretion. Obviously they were leaking like sieves in an ongoing war against the president-elect.
Then Grassley began asking some rather serious questions that suggested the dossier might have been used to secure a wiretap against a Trump campaign affiliate. That’s when the defensive leak to a friendly media outlet occurred, and we learned the dossier had in fact been used to secure a wiretap against Page.
Trump critics say that since Page wasn’t on the Trump campaign at the time of the wiretap, it wasn’t really surveillance of the campaign. There are multiple problems with that. One is that wiretaps can be used to obtain information into the past, of the time Page was on the campaign. Another is that the wiretap would capture communications with any Trump campaign members Page spoke with. Another is that the FBI itself claimed in its wiretap application that Page was the conduit between Russia and the campaign.
The case against Page laid out in the wiretap application began with an unverified claim pulled straight out of the dossier. When Page responded to public reporting of the dossier’s claims by denying it, that was also mentioned in the application. The geniuses at the FBI wrote that they don’t believe the news reports of the dossier claims were fed by the dossier author, all evidence to the contrary.
3. Informants Were Run against the Trump Campaign For most Americans, the idea that the FBI would run secret government spies human informants against the Republican Party’s presidential campaign is a huge scandal. It happened, according to government leakers who told friendly media outlets. Again:
The F.B.I. investigated four unidentified Trump campaign aides in those early months, congressional investigators revealed in February. The four men were Michael T. Flynn, Paul Manafort, Carter Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said…
The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said.
If the FBI genuinely believed that Russians were trying to illegally infiltrate the Trump campaign, the proper course of action would be to give the Trump campaign a defensive briefing warning them of the efforts. To run spies human informants, wiretaps, national security letters, and other surveillance against the campaign is truly breathtaking and invasive.
4. The FBI Also Used Secret Subpoenas Against the Trump Campaign From the same excerpt above:
The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said.
You can, along with the partisan and gaslighting media, claim it’s not a big deal to run human informants or secretly gather intelligence against a presidential campaign. But you can not deny it happened.
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The saddest part is that you think either of us actually gives a crap about Donald Trump. The fact is you're the only one thinking about his penis at a time like this. I'm not thinking about anybody's penis! lmao I'm just thinking about how stiffly you stand up for Trump. Similar I guess... Your delusion is so strong that you actually think calling out the hoax that sheeple and the media ran for 2 years....that they had already seen hard evidence of Russian collusion....is me defending Trump.... So you;re not thinking about Trumps [censored].....why did you post the mushroom? Sure bro and that's weird and gross.
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The saddest part is that you think either of us actually gives a crap about Donald Trump. The fact is you're the only one thinking about his penis at a time like this. I'm not thinking about anybody's penis! lmao I'm just thinking about how stiffly you stand up for Trump. Similar I guess... why did you post the mushroom? That's what comes to mind when I see your posts. I see that little guy getting busy with the keyboard. And now that I've put it out there, hopefully others will see it too.
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I can’t say it enough, I do not care about Donald J Trump, had he been found guilty I would have happily watched him be tried and ousted. Nothing that I have seen to date, form anyone whatsoever involved with the investigation has said anything for me to think that this was ever a thing.
No charges for conspiracy. No charges for obstruction.
What are we talking about here?
And look, if by some miracle some bombshell comes out, I will own it and not side step and worm my way out of it. I will let you have your fun trashing my takes because it will be JUST. Too bad I can’t say the same for some of you.
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The saddest part is that you think either of us actually gives a crap about Donald Trump. The fact is you're the only one thinking about his penis at a time like this. I'm not thinking about anybody's penis! lmao I'm just thinking about how stiffly you stand up for Trump. Similar I guess... why did you post the mushroom? That's what comes to mind when I see your posts. I see that little guy getting busy with the keyboard. And now that I've put it out there, hopefully others will see it too. 
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I can’t say it enough, I do not care about Donald J Trump, had he been found guilty I would have happily watched him be tried and ousted. Nothing that I have seen to date, form anyone whatsoever involved with the investigation has said anything for me to think that this was ever a thing.
No charges for conspiracy. No charges for obstruction.
What are we talking about here?
And look, if by some miracle some bombshell comes out, I will own it and not side step and worm my way out of it. I will let you have your fun trashing my takes because it will be JUST. Too bad I can’t say the same for some of you.
Yes 40, quit trashing him!
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Right, perfectly normal to run an at a minimum QUESTIONABLE dossier to obtain a warrant to wiretap a campaign. You could not possibly split more hairs if you tried.
This statement is just wrong. But have at it. Buy the Trump lies and regurgitate his attacks .... all the while trying to claim you don't care for him. As for no collusion and no obstruction .... not quite correct either. This is like saying Jussie Smollett is completely innocent because there were no charges.... add to that William Barr is on record as saying that it is his legal belief that no matter what Trump does - he cannot commit obstruction of justice. So .... when you say "no obstruction" because Barr has said so, maybe worth considering if that means anything. This is why Congress wants to see an un-redacted report.
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Are you saying the Dossier is a legitimate piece of information to obtain a wiretap?
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and ya'll love to paint my critique of any of this in the "MAGA!!!" brush because it suits your narrative.
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and ya'll love to paint my critique of any of this in the "MAGA!!!" brush because it suits your narrative. No - I say that if you parrot false stories and lies - you are part of the problem regardless of what you claim about not liking Trump.
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Are you saying the Dossier is a legitimate piece of information to obtain a wiretap? I am not actually saying anything - I am listening and believing the multitude of reports from officials quoted directly by name or who commented without being named ..... the dossier was not the basis of information for a wire tap. Additionally Carter Page was previously under surveillance and previously had a successful FISA warrant in place before Trump even ran for office ... so the idea this was some Deep State - corrupt/rogue FBI scam is just wrong.
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Attorney General Barr says he doesn't know whether special counsel supports his conclusion on Trump https://www.yahoo.com/gma/attorney-gener...topstories.htmldoes BpG favorite twitter poster have a comment on this?
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The left just needs to let him do his thing and get the report out. Then if its redaction is suspect we need to take him to task and demand the full report. There is ZERO reason that Congress should not see the full report and underlying materials. ZERO.
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there's no crime in collusion.
but trump could've been trying to obstruct for his other dealings.
for example, and i laid this out before. i believe mueller's report that trump didn't conspire with the russians. but with this moscow tower nonsense, this could easily be a case where trump was using the campaign to pursue business dealings because he probably thought there's no way in hell he's gonna win....and then he won. so he tried shutting up people investigating him because they were gonna find out the deals he was trying to pursue.
thats quite feasible. and the american people have an absolute right to know what sort of crap trump was pulling behind the scenes, and why.
because if the report completely cleared him from obstruction, barr's summary would've stated as such. it didn't. Give it up bro. These nationalists can’t handle the truth and don’t care. They want their King nothing. They want a tyrant for a leader. They need a grand wizard in power to spread their hate and to embolden their racism. They hated that a black man was elected by a popular majority as their president and will explode if a women is elected president. They know this. So this building dictatorship is making America better in their eyes.
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Would you PLEASE stop putting "hand picked" in front of AG like it was this nefarious act... every AG is hand-picked by the President, every single one.. and every single one has worked to some extent to protect their boss and give them deniability.. every single one.
I'm not saying that Barr is right or wrong or better or worse than any other AG has ever been.. but dropping "hand picked" in every single time just drips with "agenda"... No, I will not stop putting hand picked in front of his name.. Look at how he's acting in front of congress.. the man can't answer a question. He's in there for one reason and one reason only, to protect Trump and that is NOT HIS JOB! So hand picked fits perfectly.
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Would you PLEASE stop putting "hand picked" in front of AG like it was this nefarious act... every AG is hand-picked by the President, every single one.. and every single one has worked to some extent to protect their boss and give them deniability.. every single one.
I'm not saying that Barr is right or wrong or better or worse than any other AG has ever been.. but dropping "hand picked" in every single time just drips with "agenda"... No, I will not stop putting hand picked in front of his name.. Look at how he's acting in front of congress.. the man can't answer a question. He's in there for one reason and one reason only, to protect Trump and that is NOT HIS JOB! So hand picked fits perfectly. Like how Holder and Obama used Executive privilege to keep Fast and Furious under wraps when Holder was testifying to congress and going to be held in contempt? I don't remember you screaming about Obamas Hand picked protector, Holder. https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0620/...-Can-he-do-thatPainted by Democrats as a political witch hunt, the 18-month probe, Republicans say, was undertaken primarily on behalf of slain border patrol agent Brian Terry, who was killed in December 2010 by drug runners who were carrying two Fast and Furious rifles. Sound familiar? At stake are some 80,000 documents that the Department of Justice does not want to release, saying they include privileged information, a decision that sparked Wednesday’s contempt hearing by the House Oversight Committee and the president’s decision to freeze the documents. “All presidents tend to claim executive privilege from time to time, in large part because, in order to function effectively, the executive branch needs to be able to keep deliberations confidential and people have to be able to give unbiased advice and be candid without worrying that what they said is going to end up in the papers,” says Kermit Roosevelt, a constitutional law professor at the University of Pennsylvania. If its good for the goose......
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The "hand picked" is just the new phrase adopted by the msm to try and make Barr look partisan. I think everyone using it makes themselves look ignorant and stupid. They're trying to create another controversy where there is none, again.
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You guys hate the term “hand picked”, because it’s the truth.
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You guys hate the term “hand picked”, because it’s the truth. Oh it's true, but every cabinet member for every president is hand picked by that president. It's a term being used by the media and their lackeys to drum up resentment of the stupid and ignorant that don't know that.
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The funny part is that you're buying into the propaganda that claims the FISA warrant was garnered based on the Steele dossier.
The dossier was only one of several pieces of evidence. You and those of your ilk are trying to paint a picture that simply doesn't exist.
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The "hand picked" is just the new phrase adopted by the msm to try and make Barr look partisan. I think everyone using it makes themselves look ignorant and stupid. They're trying to create another controversy where there is none, again. Barr's December memo is why he got this job. Educate yourself by taking a look at it. He had dismissed the Mueller report before it ever came out and before he ever got the job. It's why he was "hand picked".
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The "hand picked" is just the new phrase adopted by the msm to try and make Barr look partisan. I think everyone using it makes themselves look ignorant and stupid. They're trying to create another controversy where there is none, again. Barr's December memo is why he got this job. Educate yourself by taking a look at it. He had dismissed the Mueller report before it ever came out and before he ever got the job. It's why he was "hand picked". Yep - this is getting down to word play and semantics. Any and every President "Hand Picks" his administration. However - with regard to Barr, who was AG before under Bush - he wasn't even on the radar until he very publicly underminded and dismissed the Mueller investigation. He also initiated a letter/memo to Trump in which he reportedly suggested the POTUS cannot commit Obstruction. . . . so the issue isn't so much that Barr was "hand picked" . . . it's that he had predetermined that whatever the Mueller Report said - Trump was going to be innocent on all counts. I'm happy to sit and wait for the facts to come out. I'm never going to read the report - but members of Congress should and will and they should have access to the full - un-redacted version. We'll know how wildly Barr twisted his summary. As someone who posed questions to Barr said yesterday - Trump took Barr's summary and used it as a means to declare he was completely exonerated .... if Trump isn't completely exonerated in the report yet Barr managed to craft a summary that Rump could spin that way, all it means is that Barr is a puppet and instead of carrying out his duty, he is a patsy for Trump. We'll see.
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