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Honestly, hitting it raw with a porn star, while your wife is pregnant is as pro-birth as you can get.

Lol, imagine what these same posters defending Trump would have said if this was all about Obama! lmao, they would have been melting down and calling for his head on a platter.

Maybe, probably. I wouldn't care, nor do I.

But on the flip side, imagine if it was Obama, and the same posters melting down about it now, would be saying its not big deal - maybe, probably

I'd be one of the first to condemn it then too, and I think you know that. I don't tend to sell out over my politics.

Fair enough, I just see this as a reason why such a divide in politics today.

Do as I say and not as I do, so to speak.

Me personally, I don't like the fact he did this (allegedly, but im pretty sure he did ) but honestly, that has nothing to do with why I support him, and has nothing to do with the policies I support and agree with.

FYI, I supported Obama (even voted for him), I will always support the POTUS. I may disagreed with Obama on countless things, I may agree with trump on numerous things - but I will always support whoever is in office, even if I disagree with their policies. Not many that oppose President Trump say the same. I honestly feel that the majority of the left would rather the country be hurt to prove them right about trump, then to be wrong about all this stuff.

I give Trump credit when it's due, and was one of the first libs to do so on here. But he literally makes my skin crawl with most of his BS. So finding the moments he shines, all the while knowing he will soil it at any moment, just makes it damn near impossible to find the good things.

I'm pretty sure you won't be holding your breath. Smart.

I mean, we are talking about the guy who actually said (in all seriousness) that he doesn't have anything to repent. At all.

Textbook Christian? Nope.
Jesus II in a cheap, platinum cotton candy wig.

Interesting point along those lines:

This is all in the realm of theory, because 44 wasn't a fat slice of amoral sleaze like 45 is.

Serial liar.
Serial adulterer.
Sexual predator.
Voyeur of teen-aged girls.
Shady, untrustworthy 'businessman.'
Debt welcher.
Whoremonger.

Yeah... a real 'class act.'

You see... about Obama and how folks may support him, we can only speculate/imagine, since his carnal behavior never required defending. Seeing rabid Trumpanzees bend themselves into human pretzels in defense of this rutting boar is pretty much everyday reality. No imagination necessary.


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I can respect that opinion. I'm sure that many appear that way to lots of Americans.

I would submit a differing one, however: The majority of the Left is already against this guy because they truly believe that he's already doing harm... and that they're right to oppose his efforts in every way they can.

I can respect that opinion, as well.

If Trump wasn't POTUS, I wouldn't care what he does. I wouldn't pee on him to put out a fire but I have no hate for him either. As POTUS he is horrible for the country, period. I'll get some snide ass remarks about lib tears or whatever, but history will prove me right. This guy is toxic.

See, like Obama, Bush, Trump, I care more about what policies they are putting forth as POTUS then their personal lives. To each their own, and I certainly understand why people care. Just to me, I don't need a role model, I need someone that's going to put forth a good/great economy, someone that is going to put forth policies I agree with. Am I wrong in thinking this way, maybe. But the hysteria is so overblown about Trump, its annoying. And it was with O too (no I never thought he was going to declare martial law and have tanks in the street). But Trump may be putting policy you don't like in place, but he hasn't taken away peoples rights, we all still get up and go to work, and quite honestly, other than replying and reading this board, I don't give him or anything else a second thought once I shut this computer down. My 401K is up, my pay is up, my rights are in tact. We are defeating ISIS, have not started a new war, and illegal immigration is slowed, and we have a conservative justice on the SC that more than likely will be there for 30 years supporting the 2A. Banging a porn star 10 years ago, eh...whatever.

I didn't vote for a Pope, I elected a Leader for our Nation.

So far, wise choice.

Except for the First Ladies hat, oh my!

As far as policy, what has he done or implemented that any other R president would not have done?

I respect that opinion you don't agree with it, and that's fine - heck that's politics. I just the pure hate is overblown.

I had a similar comment from a girl on Facebook I am friends with. She stated something to the fact "as a father to a son, how can you live with yourself for supporting trump? You disgust me."

I said, "well first, as a father to a son, I want my son to be able to have a great opportunity in a thriving economy. That is happening. Second, the POTUS is not a role model for my son. I am. The POTUS does not need to be there to teach my son, I am. The POTUS has no effect on how my son is raised, I do. So as long as my son has opportunity to thrive in an economy that is creating jobs, and is enforcing the law, and protecting our nation - I live just fine with myself, and my son will live great again in America "

She did not respond.

Except, What they do in their personal lives is an indicator of the moral values and character they possess.

Bush, I think he was a pretty straight up guy.. So much so, that I voted for him twice.. I know that when he was young, he was pretty much a drunk. But he got married and cleaned up his act.. Lots of folks probably lived the same life.

Obama, clean. Did some Marijuana in his youth which he of course admitted too... So did I.. But when it comes to values, he's got them and he's a high character guy.. No question about it.

You may agree or disagree with their policies.. But you can't distort in anyway their character.

Then comes Trump! The man is a liar, he's a crook. He has a history of cheating on his wives. He's got a history of screwing around with Pornstars and Beauty queens and centerfold models while married.

Then pays them off to keep quiet.

These actions go to his character and Values or lack thereof.

So for me, Character means more than his plan for the nation. You can't trust the plan of the corrupt.

U wanna bet DaManIsHot voted for Slick Willy ...

And he calls the man that said

- you can keep your plan
- you can keep your doctor
- your premiums will go down
- Benghazi was caused by an internet video

He calls that dude HIGH CHARACTER ... ...

I’d avoid discussions with him ... but thats just me ... ...

Glad you asked that question

1. I don't think 43, 41, 40 would have imposed 45's Muslim ban. Not in such a blanket, ineffectual manner.

2. I don't think they would have pulled out of the Paris Accord or the Iran agreement (evidence: Very Right-leaning advisers coached him to NOT pull out- and he did it anyway)

3. I don't think they would have proposed a silly, bank-busting 30-ft tall, 2000 mile-long border wall ("Mr Gorbachev- tear down this wall" -R. Reagan, 1987)

4. And we both know their respective policies on Russia looked nothing like his.

I could probably go on if I took a moment to stop and think, but these are just the first thoughts to come out, stream of consciousness style (Dawg- my fingers have been flying since I hit 'reply' LOL).

I also get why the overblown hate has worn thin for you, but I also understand where much of it comes from. Totally admit to my share of it. In my case, it isn't because HRC lost, and I was some cow-eyed fanboy. I've mentioned more than once how unenthused I was to cast that vote. No, my distaste of him is mostly primal, personal and character-based, going back to the way I was raised.

I've seen insecure blowhards like him all my life- and it just galls me that his is now the face on Our Nation across the entire world stage. Every family has a "crazy Uncle Don." They just don't elect him to be head of the family.

Oh, crap- looks like I just did it again.

I'd better get out of this post while we're still enjoying civil discourse.

Was this not 44's ban as well though? If I recall, and I may be wrong - but I thought I saw Obama implement the same ban. Please show me if I am mistaken.

I think we all agree that we should do better for he environment (regardless of you or I or Trumps thoughts on Climate Change or if its man-made). Not throwing McDonalds bags on the side of the road - that's jut not being a DB. As far as the Paris Climate Accord, from what I have read, we had to pay a ton of fines and penalties. Also, most feel that other countries are lie and cheat daily (China) so whos to say they are not lying and cheating on that. If we want to cut our emissions and hold ourselves responsible, I am all for that - so are most Americans I believe. I just don't think we need a piece of paper and other countries authority to do so.

Iran Agreement - for me, I see both sides to this story. Those against it will say all it did was prolong Iran getting a nuke and assured them to get one in 10 years - which lends some truth. But to combat that, not having the agreement means they can get one as immediately- which lends truth as well. Me, I was ok with it, I just didn't like how certain things were worded with aspects of it. But if it was such a landmark deal and important, it should have been approved and signed by congress not just a deal w/ Obama.

That's kinda false. I believe it was Bill that funded a border wall if I am not mistaken, they just never finished it for whatever reason. Obama, Clinton, and Bush ALL called for increased border security, increased deportation, and stronger adherence to our immigration law. It really wasn't until the last what 5 years that the SJW really started to push this open boarder nonsense.

Obama was pro Russia at first (reset button), and laughed at Romney when he said Russia was a threat. I don't recall too much turmoil during the Bush years about Russia (mainly because of 9-11 I suppose was our focus then)

Very fair point. Let me ask you, do you know think the same goes for a TON of people that voted Trump? You have your die hards on each side (probably a very small percentage on each), and lot of people that voted for the lesser of two evils, and voted for the very things I stated earlier. The disdain you have for Trump, was equally as felt for Hillary for others. The character issues that trump has, lets be honest, Hillary has just as many if not on the same level as him. So that argument to me, if you voted for Hillary, holds no water. Having sex with a porn star while wife is pregnant, not a great look lol. Saying you stand up for women when you covered for sexual abuse and possible rape by your husband is pretty bad in my opinion as well.

Oh I agree, he's crazy. But some people like that. Honestly, a lot of the stuff he does and says is to troll those on left, and a lot of you guys fall right for in.

Yes, after a fashion, it was. It was more surgically and strategically applied, but yes- certain Middle East residents were restricted entrance during O's tenure. I left his name out of the discussion because you specifically asked me about R presidents. I was simply sticking to the parameters you set. Our history lines up the same.

2. I can see your points and your justification for feeling as you do.
2a. Same here.

However, point is still this: I don't think our previous R presidents would have chosen that path, based upon their individual records. Still sticking to the guidelines you set when you queried me.

*addendum*


Damn right.
Do you remember the congress we're talking about? Not exactly a 'rubber stamp' atmosphere for those 8 years, regardless of policy, topic or issue. Those guys earned their nickname: "The Party of No."

3. True that all previous admins had on their agendae increased border security. Clinton (D) increased patrols, added fencing, etc. 44 (D) increased deportations beyond anything previous admins ever did. I'm speaking specifically about a wall (see the 8 prototypes along the border near Tijuana). When paraphrased and misquoted, 45 reiterated, in no uncertain terms: "It's a wall, Jeb. A wall. Not a fence; a wall." [cheers from the crowd attending the debate]

So, 2 of your examples don't fit the stated criteria, and it really doesn't change my assertion that GBush, GWBush or RReagan would have proposed it. I stand by my assertion because, although they did many (or all) of the things, you describe... they never proposed a 30-ft 2,000 mile wall across our southern border. Such a proposal would be public record.



True. And it's dumb.



He found out the hard way, just like his predecessors. GW said he could see Putin's soul. Tuns out, Romney was more on-point than either of those two. So, we have GW, who changed his tune, O who changed his tune... and Romney, who didn't need to change his tune. ALL THREE OF THEM showed more awareness and resistance to Russia than the current POTUS. Our Guy in 1600 seems pathologically unwilling to stand up like previous Presidents, behaving almost deferentially. This odd and unprecedented behavior is most of the fuel behind suspicions that 45 is somehow under the influence of 'kompromat,' even though the results of the Mueller probe are incomplete and under seal.



Hence, my lack of enthusiasm.

I have enjoyed today's exchanges much more than the trolling we've done in the past. I rather like this new thang.

Heading out for some lessons and a rehearsal/concert.

talk again

They may not have, again I try to not speak for others - I was 7-15 when Clinton served, I don't remember some his stances to a tee

My point is, I don't care if there is a wall, fence, increased patrols, etc., if it is going to stop illegal immigration - I am willing to fund it and support it. If it gets built, it gets built. I heard many times from you guys that it would never happen or never get built, so why does it matter? Its not gonna happen right?? I would go out a limb and say the majority of Americans are for making immigration law stronger, and being adhered too.

We shall see when the time comes. However nothing has even been close to touching trump w/ the investigation, or the election.

As have I. Im am pretty easy going actually, except when I get personally attacked (not saying you have), but then my guard goes up and I get defensive against all.

Huh .. wierd ...

Mr. President has been WAY TOUGHER on russia than GW or O ...

Anyhow ... i’d love to know how O was tough on Russia .. was it the re-set button that Killary couldn’t even present correctly ... she couldn’t memorize like 4 words in russian and screwed it all up ... ..

And O was the biggest [censored] cat ever right up until around 2:42 AM on 11/09/2016 ... then his tune changed in a matter of one evening ... hmmm ... wonder what happend that night to all of a sudden make O change his tune about russia ... ...

Obama's term "coincidentally" saw two of Russia's allies have violent regime changes. Trump has played one of those countries back into Russian control.

I love that every opinion of international policy is based on the senile bigot who barely pays attention to what's going on around him being "tough", and his predecessor as "weak".

It literally is the spine of their every argument. They build every narrative on that starting point.

This thread is a gold mine for TDS. This guy is a POS and people "Love" him.

Who "loves " him? I loved watching him get Trump all worked up. I mean sometimes it takes a scum bag to deal with a scum bag. But who really didn't think he was some crooked lawyer from the beginning? You know, like the guy Trump hired as his fixer?

First page "I love this guy".


They deserve each other, two crooked fame whores.

I didn't know Trump said that.