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I don't really know about the whole medal thing, but the amount of people well-actually'ing Tiger's win is pretty hilarious.

But, that's what we do today, we can't enjoy anything without someone trying to dig up their past and hold it against them.

The driving under the influence thing was a bad decision that luckily did not involve anyone getting hurt, the impairment was prescription related, and not booze.

And for the infidelity issues, if you are offended because he cheated on his wife, I would suggest not watching pro sports at all, because hoo boy there's a whole lot of that going on.

Tiger's a great story with an awesome ending, and it was grea to see him have that moment with his kids, as well as with the fans that showed up.

I don't think anyone impacts the level of a sport like Tiger does with golf. It's just a whole different game when he's on. It's like nothing else I have ever seen.

And it's incredible how he can impact the other guys, in a sport where you physically can not affect the other's game.

It was maybe the coolest golf tournament I have ever watched. I was too young to really know what was going on with Jack in '86, which I can imagine was probably just as cool.

But, but, but........TRUMP gave the honor. Has to be a bad thing. Right?????

j/c:

I wish the political debates would not infiltrate the other forums. Purp gave posters an entire forum dedicated to the dumb-ass political arguments. It bothers me that this great golf tournament and an improbable win is being turned into a political debate where everyone knows who will say what.

didnt Aretha get one?

I wish the political debate wouldn't infiltrate here also.


Sadly, some guy posted this: "And now he's going to get the medal of freedom....... For GOLF!

You just can't make that kind of silly crap up folks!"

Yes, Bush gave her one.

Cool.

As a poster pointed out. I think overcoming addiction to opioid medications (which is a hot ticket issue right now in the US) that were prescribed to him for his back troubles, overcoming other personal demons, literally pulling himself out of a gutter, to overcome and win the masters - is well. Worthy. But that's just my opinion. Tiger was trapped with addiction and demons, and he fought back for his freedom from it. I think he is a good candidate for it. I also think there are hundreds of others that could be considered as well. But I definitely don't think its a joke if we gets it.

If you had a point, great. You don't. I never mentioned politics, you did.

It's become the Presidential Entertainers Award.... it seems the world has run out of Mother Theresa's and Maggie Thatcher's

I was 20 and a low single digit handicap at the time and I can tell you, it was pretty freaking cool.

The thing that would make Tiger's better has nothing to do with the event itself but by the way they are able to cover something like that in 2019 compared to 1985.. We had 4 hours of coverage with just a couple of camera angles per hole, with cameras that today would seem like very low quality.. We didn't get to see Jack from 1-18 if we wanted to, replays were minimal and from the same one or two angles... you didn't always know what other players were doing until the leaderboard popped up when they went to commercial.. it was just a whole different world of watching sports in general but more specifically something like golf that is so spread out...

Yes it does. I had no idea of the different categories. This makes a lot more sense to me now.

I learned something.. there is the Medal of Honor, which was created to recognize the civilians who played a major part in the WWII effort..

then there is the Presidential Medal of Honor, which is completely different and has at least a dozen categories from science to sports to entertainment to diplomacy where one can qualify for the award..

I was completely unaware of that distinction. It seems that out of pure laziness, the media usually just refers to it as the Medal of Honor..

Medal of Freedom.

There is only ONE Medal of Honor, the Congressional Medal of Honor, and it is not available to civilians.

Oops.. you are correct, my bad.

Why is it every time I read this title my wife's image pops into my head

Because if Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

Yes dear



Sorry thats habit for me.

I'm sorry.

Please tell your wife thanks for making you type that.

Golf coverage these days, especially for an event like the Masters, is incredible. Golf is probably the sport that benefited the most from HD picture as well as the high-def sound.

I also loved the early start on Sunday, I know it was because they were trying to stay ahead of some bad weather, but I thought having that thing end around 2pmEST was perfect.

Golf coverage these days, especially for an event like the Masters, is incredible. Golf is probably the sport that benefited the most from HD picture as well as the high-def sound.

I also loved the early start on Sunday, I know it was because they were trying to stay ahead of some bad weather, but I thought having that thing end around 2pmEST was perfect.

J/C

Jack Vs. Tiger....

Different times, different games. Just like Michael vs Jordan etc, it will never be quantified because it simply cannot. Too many factors to try to compare.

Jack didn't have to deal with the science of the game, other players taking care of their bodies like they do today (which is ironic, because Tiger started that trend in golf), the technology factor of clubs, balls, and even apparel.

The only difference you can quantify is popularity. And that is not even a contest. Tiger brought golf to places that Jack never could. He took golf from an elitist sport to the everyday joe. The sport of golf may very well be dead if it wasn't for Tiger.

Not to downplay Tiger's wild popularity, but Arnold Palmer took golf from the country club to the streets, back in his day.

Tiger made golf cool for minority kids.. unfortunately most of them, even if they were really into Tiger, lacked the resources to do much about it.

I agree with Lamp, Arnie was the pioneer in making golf more a game of the people than the elite..


I disagree. As long as everybody was playing with the same equipment at the same time, then you absolutely can make comparisons on wins and such. Comparing driving distance is pretty useless but straight head to head wins and majors comparisons is still valid.

I've actually heard people make the argument that Tiger didn't have a single biggest rival, like Jack had Arnie.. and use that as a negative against Tiger. I would say that over the last 20 years the field of great golfers has grown significantly, Tiger didn't have ONE great rival but he competed against a much deeper field than Jack ever did..

I don't think rivals matter. You don't play against other golfers, you play against the course. What a rival does or doesn't do means nothing. Golf is completely on what you do. That's what makes it so unique. Its the only sport that you are not playing against another competitor, but the game itself

You might wish to send that message to all of those who played great Masters tournaments that don't have a green jacket.

Bowling.

I disagree. In bowing, you are playing the lane and the bowler though. You can directly effect the line the other bowler is throwing, forcing him to adjust. I can pull out a Urethane ball and make the oil push down the lane, or I can pull out a ball that's fuzz and dry it out, forcing the other player to throw harder or move left and inside. In golf, I cant really change the course to affect the other golfer.

I'm sorry, you can't do that by yourself. You can't use that as a strategy against your opponent as you have no idea how much oil you can move and how far it will go. You would also have to be throwing on your opponents exact line, not your natural or desired line to establish the best score you can make. Teams of bowlers over the evening can move oil down the lane, but it's not a strategy, it's a reaction.

I get what you're saying. I don't know that I necessarily agree, however...


In match play, you're totally playing the other golfer. If you see he went out of bounds on his tee shot you might adjust and pull an iron off the tee. If you see him drive the green you might also want to hit your driver.

Oftentimes in a tournament if you're in the final pairing it may also have a matchplay feel...

I recall Van de Velde from the 97 Open (watch Losers on Netflix). All he needed was a double bogey on the final hole to win. A DOUBLE BOGEY! He ends up with a triple, ties, and losing in extra holes. You tell me all I need is a double bogey, I play my straightest club and banjo the heck out of that hole.

But yes, I do see the point you're trying to make.

That was brutal to watch. van Velde never should have pulled out a driver on the 18th tee. Really stupid move.

3-wood, easy mid-iron, couple putts, or a chip and two-putt, lift the Claret jug.

That really was brutal to watch. Even though I’d never heard of the guy, coming up to the 18th tee I just knew he was going to pull a 3 or 4 iron, just to put something into play. Then he went into “Ever Forward” mode and grabbed the big dog and got eaten. Logic be damned, full steam ahead.

The most memorable Masters' collapse that stands out in my limited knowledge was when Greg Norman lost a 6-shot lead to Nick Faldo in 1996.

Norman had choked leads before and even though he was a media darling, I had a feeling he might not be able to handle the pressure of being paired w/Faldo on the final day.

I was living in Ohio at the time, and eight of us were on a Myrtle Beach golf trip that week. We were driving back on the day of the final round and stopped at an establishment to eat. We ended up staying and watching that round because it was so dramatic. Got home late and work was tough the next day, but man, what a collapse and likewise, what a comeback.

As a devout fan of Norman, it was a tough watch. The coronation to the level of all time great was only 18 holes away and Norman had 6 shot lead.

David Copperfield arrived and POOF, the Masters trophy belonged to Faldo.

Faldo shot a 66 that day, but Norman choked.

A tradition unlike any other...

There's a story every year!

And poor Norman... collapse in 1996. (Faldo actually shot 67)

Jack's win in 1986 was magical, but Norman's bogey on the final hole gave Jack the win.
Larry Mize chip-in on #11 in a playoff in 1987 to defeat Norman.
Norman bogey's the final hole in 1989 to miss a playoff with Faldo and Hoch.
I was there in 99 when he was tied for the lead again with 5 holes to play. He goes bogey bogey the next two holes and Olazabal goes on to win.

Nobody tunes in on Sunday to see if Tiger is beating the course, they tune in to see if Tiger is beating Phil, or Koepka, or Rory.. or whoever was close to him at the start. And the "Tiger Roar" isn't because Tiger is dominating the course, it's because he's passing players on the leaderboard... For fans, the competition matters, rivalries matter..

And what a competitor does or doesn't do, means a lot.. for example, if a competitor misses a 6 foot putt for par on 18, it allows you to play it very safe, knowing that even bogey still wins you the tournament... what others are doing dictates whether you take the risk of going for it on a par 5, whether you fly at a risky pin or play to the middle of the green.. the others on the leaderboard and where you currently stand at any given point in the round can make a tremendous difference in how you play, especially later in the tournament.

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You can. Pull out a urethane ball and you push the oil down within a few shots if you do not wipe it off first. I do it all the time.

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Im pretty consistent, I can hit a my mark within an inch of two pretty much all night long.

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Based on the equipment in my bag, I can usually make my ideal line anywhere I want on a THS (typical house shot).

But if they are equally good, aren't they able to move stuff around too?

I honestly have to admit that I had never considered a defensive strategy in bowling.. In golf it's easy, you just get in your opponents head with comments like "Have you always had that little hitch at the top of your backswing?"