DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... Paris’ Notre Dame Cathedral is on fire

They were talking about the wood planking ON the scaffolding used as walking platforms.

You're suggesting a conspiracy theory already?

Such a shame. I feel for France's and history's loss.

Already?

https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-c...-statue-1370800

They were renovating inside and out....maybe the wood scaffolding was on the INSIDE of the cathedral, which acted as kindling? Nevertheless, on NPR they were talking to a journalist in Paris who commented the wooden scaffolding being an energy source.

J/C

Hmmm, seems fitting actually with all that has been going on with priests lately. Honestly, the Catholic Church as burned itself to the ground with all the coverups and pedophilia. Sorry not sorry.

I agree with the premise but the Catholic Church can fall without us losing a 12th century architectural masterpiece.

If it's arson, how does it benefit the church to lie about the cause? Why hide the fact?

Sure, they're used to covering up other scandals, but I don't see the connection here.

True, I appreciate the architecture of the facility. its a loss yes - but karma....well shes a meanie.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/in-the-wak...143016961602600


Notre Dame Cathedral fire, digital scans offer hope for restoration

The world watched in heartbreak on Monday as the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris was engulfed in flames. Countless people across the globe recalled visiting the cherished landmark -- they shared digital images of the cathedral online, inspiring hope it could be rebuilt with such resources. Indeed, Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral has for centuries inspired artists, photographers and others who sought to replicate its form. Among those was the late Andrew Tallon, a professor at Vassar who used laser scanning to create massive digital files that captured the cathedral down to its precise measurements.

"Can it help us rebuild? Yes, it can," Columbia art history Prof. Stephen Murray told ZDNet with respect to Tallon's work. "I think it's terribly important."

CBS News: Notre Dame Cathedral fire in Paris destroys iconic spire
Digital preservation is a burgeoning field in which Murray and Tallon were pioneers -- they produced the first laser scan of a Gothic Cathedral in 2000. In 2011, Murray and Tallon co-founded Mapping Gothic France, an open-source project intended to explore the links between the architectural space of individual buildings, geo-political space, and the social space between builders and users.

Tallon also advanced the field by combining laser scans with with spherical panorama pictures, Tallon's colleague, Vassar Prof. Lindsay Cook, told ZDNet. Combined with those images, "it would look more like the skin of a building we're accustomed to seeing," she explained. Tallon created images that "his students would understand and would want to see, and that would really dazzle the eye."

Tallon's work comes to life in his 2013 book, Notre-dame de Paris.

"Those images are almost uncanny, they're sort of other-worldly," Cook said. "That's largely because they come from this laser scan. Underneath all the armature is the robust cloud-point data [Tallon] had amassed through the laser scan."

Tallon used a Leica Geosystems laser scanner, which as Murray explained, sends out laser strobes to measure the distance between the scanner itself and anything the laser hits. Mounted on a tripod, you can sweep an entire building, creating billions of dots of light across the structure. "You watch those dots of light come to life on your computer screen in a three-dimensional sense," Murray explained.

Murray also noted that laser scanning is a "surprisingly physical task," involving carrying the scanner to hard-to-reach spots. "It's not for the faint-hearted," he said. "It demands intense skill and patience."

Tragically, Tallon passed away in November, while he was still at work on a project related to Gothic structures. His colleagues, with the help of his wife, are now wading through his research to see what can be done with his raw data.

"As you can imagine, the data is ample," Cook said. "There are certain images that have been created, but there are all kinds of other ways you can put it together and create new renderings. The raw material is there for future renderings."

Until laser scanning emerged, photogrammetry was the most advanced way to create a precise replica of a building. Meanwhile, using an old-fashioned measuring tape "is still extremely accurate if you know how to wield it," Cook said. But laser scanning is a particularly powerful tool, Cook said, given the sheer amount of data it collects and the access it offers to the upper reaches of a building.

SEE ALSO: Google Arts and Culture, Stratasys team up on 3D printing artifacts
Still, it is an expensive undertaking, she acknowledged. "I completely understand why it isn't applied everywhere," she said. "I do hope in the future, especially as technology becomes less expensive, that it would mean more structures could do this as a preventative measure."

Laser-scanning could be especially useful for replicating landmarks that are off-limits to visitors.

"In Egypt, you might imagine one particular case where a tomb has been mostly closed off, so you are more likely to visit the digital copy that sits next to the site," Cook said. "You would actually stand inside, taking the digital into the physical world."

While he was an early adopter and a major proponent of laser scanning, Cook said, Tallon was less interested in using the technology for preservation purposes than he was in using it to better understand the history of Gothic structures.

Still, Tallon particularly cared about the preservation of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. He was co-founder and a director of the US-based charity the Friends of Notre-Dame.

Cook said it's unclear whether the authorities involved in overseeing Notre Dame's restoration will want to use Tallon's data.

"Of course, it'd be available to them if they decide that's necessary," she said. "It's really wonderful the material exists so there's at least a backup of all of this data."

I don't think its the church holding back. If anyone's holding back details, its the French authorities, for political reasons. I don't have any special knowledge of what happened either, but when one of the most iconic and beloved cathedrals in all of Christianity burns down during Holy Week, you have to at least wonder if something else is at work here, especially with all the other church attacks in France.

...but it's also possible that a fire started accidentally too.

It's as you/others are saying nothing can happen in the world without a nefarious plan behind it. Sometimes crap happens.

I wonder how long it would take for a post like this. Take a national historic disaster and turn it into something about pedophilia. It's like the new Godwin's law of religious threads.

It would be akin to seeing all the historical landmarks in DC burn and say, "Well, since Trump is such an ahole, the city sort of deserved it. "

Well, doesnt the bible say he works in mysterious ways?

Seems maybe a penance for their bidding.

Honestly, as long as no one was hurt, eh. The peoples lives the church as ruined over centuries are worth more than this building. But I am sure people will willingly hand over their thighs to rebuild, and not a cent to the children that were victims.

And did you really just try to compare trump being a jerk to massive amounts of child rape and coverups by a religious organization???

No, I didn't, but thanks for the strawman. I was just showing how idiotic and tone-deaf it is to say that a historical landmark probably deserved destruction, because of the sins of those that don't even inhabit it. But you seem intent on casting stones.

Those kids lives didn't deserve destruction by the sins of those that did that to them, yet people continue to support the corruption and coverups of the church.

I would argue that every church can burn down (given no one is harmed) if that kept even 1 less child from being raped and passed around as a sex slave from priest to priest. But hey, the building was beautiful, I guess.

It's more than a little strange isn't it?

I'm not Catholic and find it disturbing that the church helped cover up for all of those priests. But there is zero correlation here.

The Notre Dame Cathedral is more than a Catholic church. It's an historic landmark. Many of the world's greatest art pieces were stored there. It's an architectural marvel. Trying to relate it to a church scandal is beneath most human beings. But obviously we must define it as "most".

It would be like saying that every NFL stadium deserves to burn down because a team covered up an incident of violence by one of their players.

Its a church. One of which was more than likely used to facilitate child rape at some point and time (more than likely recently). You can view it however you wish, and I will view it as how I wish. Which is an arm of one of the most comprehensive and diabolical scandals we have ever known.

It looked cool, though.

horrible analogy. lol

1. domestic abuse, although awful, does not equate to child rape. Ever.

2. Where those stadiums used to lure their victims with trust, power, and a religious promise? No. Churches are a symbol of faith and religion, an NFL stadium is..well.. and NFL stadium. They are blown up and rebuilt every 20 years or so.

3. And I don't think GM's and NFL coaches have ever been found to be marking children with crosses, so that other GM's and coaches would know that they were desensitized to being abused. They also haven't sent out pamplets explaining how to cover up these deeds, and how to speak, to the media, etc.

I think its safe to say you had had a horrible analogy.

And bad priests are a symbol of evil.

Don't burn the symbols of faith.

Don't destroy the meaning of the Cross because evil men used it for torture and death.

More than likely? That's the problem. You know this how? What you've done is essentially stereotyped all Catholic clergy as sexual abusers and condemned them. The CC has nearly half a million clerics and over a billion members. If tiny fractions of the whole do terrible things, you're still talking about thousands of priests and hundreds of thousands of victims. And you're willing to blanket the entire rest of the body as complicit, because of the acts of the few.

Judas betrayed Jesus and was one of the original 13. So let's condemn the other 12 apostles because of him.

The church and those within have actually done numbers of things to prevent and repair the damage. There's still room for improvement, but change for something as large and complex as the CC can't happen overnight. But it is happening and there are plenty of people doing what they can to improve it.

I agree with Punchsmack.

We won't know for a while what caused it. Yesterday people in Paris were suggesting it could have been welding sparks. They don't even know, but at least they are there, on the ground getting info in real time. What good does it do to speculate, especially in an online community, when none of us are even there nor have all the information? Seems dangerous and reckless to me, but whatever.

I think it's safe to say you don't have an analogy at all.

Churches don't molest kids, sick people molest kids.. or something like that.

j/c:

This board perplexes me at times. An historic cathedral deserves to burn due to the sins of man?

I yi yi yi...

Priest are symbol of evil, that the church is perfectly ok with and covered up for. So seems, the church is ok with evil.

I am willing to blanket the entire organaiztion because the top to the bottom covered up for them. They hid the facts and moved priest when they KNEW what was going on.

Read the PA AG report on the Pittsburgh Diocese. Instructions came from the VATICAN on how to cover it up, move people around, and hide the facts.

Yes, the ENTIRE organization is disgusting.

Change? What is changing? They are not turning over any priest, 0 heads of the diocese and up have gone to prison or been prosecuted for obstruction. Why? Because they have deep pockets. Which you and others knowingly provide to them.

You right, I have not analogy on what raping kids is, because its the most heinous and disgusting thing anyone could do on earth. I am glad that I don't try to downplay it to a NFL team dealing with domestic abuse. . . .

Will you please stop? You are entitled to your opinions, but they belong in the Political forum and not on this particular thread.

Religion is not politics, so no, it wouldn't belong there. "Everything Else would be the correct thread for a topic on religion. And my opinion is that this Cathedral burned for a reason. Karma.

Its a message board, I will post what I will. Once again, you do not get to tell others what and when to post because YOU don't like it.

Maybe you should be asking the Church and priest to stop, instead of my post.

Feel free to move to another thread.

I'm still very skeptical of how they managed to rule out arson even before the fire had stopped and the smoke had cleared. I'm sorry, that sounds more like a political decision to not get anybody riled up rather than being based on some findings of fact.

My thought was that considering the intensity of the fire that there was a good chance they might NEVER really know what started it.... but before anybody even went in the remains to investigate, they ruled out arson. Very curious.

j/c:

Nice to see that so many nations and people of different ideological differences are coming together to lend aide and support in the rebuilding of this magnificent cathedral. You can find a lot of recent updates here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...to-rebuild-roof

One has to keep in mind that a wooden structure that's 800 years old will go up like a tinderbox.

And as a suggestion, let's just ignore the single poster who wishes to make this all about the Catholic church while ignoring the historical value, architecture and art it contained that caused this blaze to have an impact on the entire world. Which is why Macron is leading the charge to rebuild it. Not the Catholic church.

Art should be kept in a museum, where they have fireproof cases for things like this

J/C

From an article posted here already...



Maybe insurance works differently over there, but would they be required to pay for this? Especially if it was from the construction crew doing the work....Seems odd they would need donations and the UN to assist.

Basically, there is no insurance policy. The Cathedral is owned by France and "self insured" Construction insurance has limits at about 10 million euro, as the article states - "a drop in the bucket". Repair costs are estimated at 8 billion and so far it looks like close to a billion has been pledged by outside sources.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/notre-dame-has-no-insurance-policy-2019-04-16