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I would say that is fair if we were comparing more equal issues. Trump is drowning in investigations because he is a career crook. I will be amazed if his kids and possibly Trump himself aren't hit with a RICO charge over their family business and charity at some point.

I can't say for certain all of Trump's actions as POTUS have been corrupt by design but I don't think he acts in the best interest of the country. I can't get over him on that stage in Helsinki. If that were Hillary or Obama there would have been hell to pay and rightly so. Trump somehow gets a pass, I don't get that at all.

The Mueller report looks like a referral for impeachment investigations by Congress due to the limitations of DOJ rules placed on special prosecutors. ~ MSNBC Talking Head.

I'm simply basing my comments on what is covered in the Mueller investigation.

I would be remiss if I didn't post this again.

in other news, according to the mueller report, guess who helped finance the effort to get hillary's emails?

Erik Prince, former blackwater CEO ,adn betsy Devos's brother.

Rut ro raggy...

The entire thing was made up. There was no reason to investigate. It was a witch hunt from the beginning and just like every witch burned, Trump was considered guilty by those that wanted to burn him.

Yeah there were only 10 attempts to obstruct justice. Nothing to see here boys and girls.

Bro, lay off the kool aid.

Just like I have been saying for years. Both sides suck.

Lol yup. Add willit.

The standard line when caught in the cookie jar.

Surreal. Push a conspiracy as a fact and then have the gall to tell everyone "Facts first" after it was debunked.

#1 I never deny eating cookies, or apoligize for it YUM chocolate chip

#2 I notice you didn't deny or refute anything.

#3 Both sides still suck.

Has it been specified what those 10 attempts were?

Are you saying all those pesky trump associate witches ... Flynn, Gates, Manafort, Cohen, Stone and such was all made up? yeah ok bro

eww boy

#3 is a cop out.

How dare you not choose a side and blindly follow them.

It was an honest question. It still is.

Below are the 10 episodes, as detailed in the report’s second volume, in the pages numbered 24 to 156.

The special counsel’s report said investigators didn’t believe the evidence exonerated Trump in terms of obstruction of justice. It said: “While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

1. The President’s Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn
The report said Trump said the following to James Comey, who at that time was the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s director: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy.”

Comey did not commit to ending the investigation of Flynn, Trump’s former national security director, according the report. Flynn would later plead guilty to lying to investigators about his calls with Moscow’s ambassador a month before Trump’s inauguration.





“The President’s decision to meet one-on-one with Comey contravened the advice of the White House Counsel that the President should not communicate directly with the Department of Justice to avoid any appearance of interfering in law enforcement activities,” the report said. “And the President later denied that he cleared the room and asked Comey to ‘Iet [] Flynn go’— a denial that would have been unnecessary if he believed his request was a proper exercise of prosecutorial discretion.”

2. The President’s Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBI’s Russia Investigation
Some officials with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence recalled that Dan Coats, the director, told them immediately after a March 2017 meeting that Trump had asked Coats to intervene with Comey and stop the FBI’s Russia investigation, the report said.

“But the first-hand witnesses to the encounter remember the conversation differently,” the report added.



The president also continued to raise the issue of then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s recusal in the matter, and, when he had the opportunity, he urged Sessions to unrecuse himself, the report said. Trump also told advisers that he wanted an attorney general “who would protect him, the way he perceived Robert Kennedy and Eric Holder to have protected their presidents.”

3. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director Comey
“Substantial evidence indicates that the catalyst for the President’s decision to fire Comey was Comey’s unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation, despite the President’s repeated requests that Comey make such an announcement,” the Mueller report said.

Trump’s actions “had the potential to affect a successor director’s conduct of the investigation.”

4. The President’s Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel
In June 2017, the press reported that the president was being personally investigated for obstruction of justice and Trump responded with a series of tweets criticizing the special counsel’s investigation, the report said.

The president called then called Don McGahn, the White House counsel at that time, and directed him to have Mueller removed because of asserted conflicts of interest.

“McGahn did not carry out the instruction for fear of being seen as triggering another Saturday Night Massacre and instead prepared to resign. McGahn ultimately did not quit and the President did not follow up with McGahn on his request to have the Special Counsel removed,” the report added.

5. The President’s Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation
“Two days after the President directed McGahn to have the Special Counsel removed, the President made another attempt to affect the course of the Russia investigation,” the report said.

He “dictated a message to be delivered to Attorney General Sessions that would have had the effect of limiting the Russia investigation to future election interference only.”

6. The President’s Efforts to Prevent Disclosure of Emails About the June 9, 2016, Meeting Between Russians and Senior Campaign Officials
“By June 2017, the President became aware of emails setting up the June 9, 2016, meeting between senior campaign officials and Russians who offered derogatory information on Hillary Clinton as ‘part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,’” the report said.

“On multiple occasions in late June and early July 2017, the President directed aides not to publicly disclose the emails, and he then dictated a statement about the meeting to be issued by Donald Trump Jr. describing the meeting as about adoption.”

7. The President’s Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over the Investigation
From summer 2017 through 2018, the president attempted to have Attorney General Sessions reverse his recusal, take control of the special counsel’s investigation and order an investigation of Hillary Clinton, the report said.

8. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
In late January 2018, media outlets reported that in June 2017 the president had ordered McGahn to have the special counsel fired.

“After the story broke, the President, through his personal counsel and two aides, sought to have McGahn deny that he had been directed to remove the special counsel,” the Mueller report said.

9. The President’s Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort and an Individual whose Name is Redacted
“The President has taken other actions directed at possible witnesses in the Special Counsel’s investigation,” the report said.

Those individuals include Flynn, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an individual whose name was redacted in the report.


Actions by Trump and his personal counsel “could have had the potential to affect Flynn’s decision to cooperate, as well as the extent of that cooperation,” the report said. “With respect to Manafort, there is evidence that the President’s actions had the potential to influence Manafort’s decision whether to cooperate with the government.”

10. The President’s Conduct Involving Michael Cohen
“There is evidence that could support the inference that the President intended to discourage Cohen from cooperating with the government because Cohen’s information would shed adverse light on the President’s campaign-period conduct and statements,” the report said, referring to Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen.

Bro, these guys don’t give a flying fart if trump did everything the report says he did or not. And if they ever do give a flying fart they’ll say both sides suck and leave at that. It’s deplorable.

Ok. Thanks.

So, apparently now, congress will investigate what was investigated for 2 years?

No, apparently what was investigated is now being partially hidden from the very people who payed for the investigation. And they are now demanding to see it all. Seems reasonable.

Which side doesn't suck?

#3 is the truth learn to deal with it.

Are you standing up for your wife Bill ??? You lean so far left you make Lefty Grove look right handed.

YES, what's your point?

I'd love to see the legal statute on "conceived obstruction". It doesn't matter if he thought about it, planned it, or discussed it, as long as he didn't do it.

Let's not forget the guy that the dems were trying to protect with anti firing legislation wrote, no collusion, no obstruction.

Mueller did not write No Collusion, No Obstruction! PUH-lease! Lies from the right! Lies, lies and more lies.

If you failed to notice, I didn't quote him. That is the summation of the report. If you really want lies, go listen to the leftist media. I'm sure they'll tell you they have him now.

But, but, but..........we've been told for years, on here, "Any day", "new news might....." This week, this month. Drip drip drip, 'soon', just wait for the Mueller report..............on and on and on and on and on.

Mueller report comes out. Some didn't like it. They demand the whole report be aired. Didn't like that, either.

So..................now what?

Oh, yeah........"It didn't completely.....blah blah blaH, and now "congress should investigate what was investigated for 2 years.

In addition to the 37 standing indictments from the Special Council investigation, another 20 open cases are being pursued in the Southern District of New York, DC Circuit and Eastern District of Virginia.

The more black marks there are on the Mueller report, the more shoes will be dropping elsewhere.

This is what it looks like when lights get turned on and rats' nests get kicked.

As I said a couple weeks ago, the Mueller report is nothing more than 'the end of the beginning.' These 20 investigations are going to be with us for quite some time.

j/c:

I don't follow politics all that much, but am I wrong that we spend more time trying to find fault than trying to find solutions?

I don't think you're wrong. I think the problem is those that voted against Trump are so butt hurt about him winning the election that they can't let it go - no matter what.

Wait for the Mueller report........ah, damn, that didn't work. Release the WHOLE report.........dammit. that didn't work.

On and on and on.

For the record, my question was about both sides rather than just one side.

I don't know, it just seems we would be more productive if we worked together instead of trying to shame one another by assigning blame.

The power of negative thinking is immense. On the other hand, the power of positive thinking is the key to opening new doors and productivity.

That didn't work according to Arch's perspective...

You bring a skunk into the house, that house has to be cleaned before people get together.

Read my reply to vers, then read your next 2 responses. Proof.

Anyone thinking the report exonerates Trump is barking up the wrong tree. That will become more and more clear I think, but that won't matter for the ardent Trump supporters. As you rightly point out, this report has put into motion many other investigations and it has immortalized and recorded Trump's actions and behavior throughout the investigation. Both equally important.