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No. The Couch/Holcomb debacle shouldn't have taught any of us anything.
What IT SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU and any others is the talent of all 4 QB's is below average...period..so if the comp didn't bring anything out..THERE WAS NOTHING THERE to begin with...
What you DON'T WANT TO ADMIT is that very fact..
Obviously you're as indecisive as RAC. Guess you'll have to withdraw your resume'.
INDECISIVE about WHAT?
I told you what I wanted to see..I don't waiver back and forth...
I said I understood the reasons behind the competition..and U and everyone else should to.
How many coaches and QB contraversys will it take before you learn how destructive that process is? People are NOT alike! Some,open competition brings out the best in them. Some it only creates doubt. In MOST it only creates doubt.
Then you're more naive than I ever thought you were..
If a player can't handle another player competing for his job he doesn't need to be there..thats what sports is about Pit..competition..
If a QB can't handle competition he's done ...
U have comp to get the best players in the spots you want.
We've had competition in other positions..why aren't those guys regressing ??
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Here's another point that makes me wonder about the whole "should we start Quinn now or later?" debacle.
None other than Ron Jaworski, probably the most respected football guy at ESPN and a guy who various football smarts respect the hell out of, insists that Quinn should start right now. He usually never says that about any rookie QB but is very, VERY adament with that statement.
I'm really at a loss as for what to do now, but that's why I don't make coaching decisions.
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I see a coach in crisis Spectre. A guy who is desperate to save his job and rightfully so. Like I said,I like your scenario. But I think in desperation,Quinn WILL get thrown in early. And yes,there are other factors I've considered as well. How will your OL ever develop continuity with a different signal caller in the pocket from one half to the next? Do you believe the players see Frye or DA as the "teams leader"? Do you believe this team will play well as a unit and progress if they DON'T see a "team leader" out there? I had really hoped the exact scenario you have portrayed would be that path that we would follow. It made the most sense I believe of them all. But RAC screwed the pooch with this QB contraversy to start with. Then pulling Frye yesterday? What is going through the minds of the rest of the players on this team right now? RAC has painted himself into a corner and his only way out at this juncture,is by throwing Quinn in early. This team has no leader and no identity because RAC refused to name a starter and support him WEEKS ago! Our team will continue to sputter untill this situation is rectified. And it this juncture,there's a "no confidence" rating in both DA and Frye from their team mates. A no confidence vote that RAC handed out directly. And as we saw in the Couch/Holcomb debacle,the team as a whole suffers. I think putting Quinn in will give this team "their leader". Somebody to "ralley behind". Because right now? It appears that they are all in a holding pattern just waiting for it to happen. It didn't have to be like this. It was made this way................ 
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Collins wasn't and still isn't a football guy while Savage is. Collins is a business guy and if we would have kept him, it would have been a huge mistake and we probably wouldn't have drafted Joe Thomas this year, it would have been Calvin Johnson, so you can like the non football guy all you want, but I'll go with someone who has an actual background concerning the game of football, not some exec.
Trying to add Collins to this "blame game" is almost like trying to pull a rabbitt out of your ass.
I never said Collins was a "football guy"
Collins was Randy Lerner's "Advisor" he was to Lerner what Carl Rove was to Bush Jr...that guy who is in his ear..to "insure" Randy Lerner makes as much money as possible....
All i am saying is
I think Collins was right when he said Phil Savage was "in over his head" so to speak....i laugh how some of you people think it is so wrong to question Savage..he has made some pretty questionable moves
when Savage lashed out at the media the other day saying they just "create controversy" and what not...that showed me a man with "pressure" on him....he knows if he don't win soon(this year) that he won't have a job here
The trading up in the Draft to get Quinn was a move of "desperation" on Savage's part becuse he needs to get "atleast" 8 wins this year for him and Romeo to be retained...any less than that and say bye bye to both Savage and RAC..they will both be history
Savage made this bed, now he lies in it
Savage has made some "decent picks" Thomas, Wright, Wimbley....and some bad ones Edwards, Poole, trading with Baltimore.....
im not saying this whole mess is all Savage's fault, that would be unfair...im just saying he hasn't helped his case any
not to mention Antonio Bryant becomes our 1st 1000 yard receiver since Kevin Johnson..and they repay him by letting him go even though Bryant desperatly wanted to stay here and like it here...players that produced...they got rid of
Bryant is twice the Receiver Edwards is...if i had my choice i would axed Leon and took Bryant for half the money and double the production...Bryant always got open, ran good routes, got nice seperation...sure he had like 6 drops that 1 year, but she still had over 1,000 yards, he was only 23 years old...he was maturing and coming along nicely and we got rid of him
And trading Droughns for Lewis?...we should have kept Droughns...we got Tim Carter out of Droughns...who was 1 year removed from a 1200 yard season.....wouldn't it be nice to have both Droughns and Leiws?..hmm....tell me how you can possibly justifiy trading him for Carter.,..who has and will do nothing....
but heres to us,
Hopefully Quinn gets in and gets our O clicking somewhat...and then maybe things will turn around for us...but Frye and Anderson...we will be in the cellar if we stick with them any longer
the Season is still "young" we have a chance to right things...Put in Quinn...we can probably win atleast 8-9 games with him..and that will save Savage and Crennell for another year
I persoanlly hate the idea of rebuilding...but if this keeps up...then romeo and Savage both deserve to be canned IMO
it's alla bout winning the NFL stands for Not For Long if you don't win
1-12 in the AFC north since they got here is just sick....atleast Butch Davis won some freaking games in this division.....this team has no fire at all....
Belive it or Not Butch Davis is a better coach than Romeo...Romeo has yet to get us into the playoffs..Butch Davis did...9 wins that year....period
Romeo as of right now...is the worst coach we have ever had
I personally wouldn't mind if we fired just Romeo and gave Savage 1 more year.....but i doubt that happens...but i wish it would
but anyways....thats all im gonna elaborate on this...you have your opinions..i have mine....
we don't have to agree
i just want the Browns to win..thats all that matters to me
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You'll never get it ATTACK.
The QB is "the face of your team. Your identity".
It's not "just the QB" that regresses in these situations,it's the ENTIRE TEAM.
They have no leader. They have no identity. They don't know when or who will be in the pocket next.
RAC had the option to clear that up weeks ago. All he had to do was pick a name out of a hat and shut the hell up about it. Talk up a starter to play untill Quinn was ready. Basic coaching.
Now the whole team is in flux over it. You keep denying it while the evidence keeps piling up.
You said DA would be cut. You've said this QB contraversy meant nothing.
Well,DA is still here and we saw a team on the field yesterday that lacked identity or leadership because they've been told all along by their coach that these guys are neither one a "leader".
And yes ATTACK,wondering if you will come into work tomorrow and still have your job,will effect the work you do today. I don't care who you are or what you say.
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The talent is here. Getting someone in place to develop it and turn that into winning? I'm not so sure............
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I agree with you Pit. The whole quarterback controversy that RAC created by indecision has us with no offensive identity at all. Quinn would provide that offensive identity. I just have to wonder if it's worth it to even throw him in early to try and develop that. Really, this one's all on Lerner. If RAC's job is really on the line, the pressure is certainly there for him to play Quinn and I could see it happening. If Lerner is willing to give him the whole year to show progress, then we have a different story.
Right now, we're a team with no offensive identity, two jokes for quarterbacks, a running back who looked stale yesterday, wide receivers disenfranchised because half the passes are thrown behind them or out of their reach, and an offensive line that has yet to gel because we have a rookie, injured FA, another FA and a converted tackle playing together. We could use a boost but, at the same time, that's not a situation I want to be putting my future into.
After the bye... we have Tucker back. We may have LeCharles back. Quinn has spent weeks learning the offense. The line has gelled. Any rust is shaken off and young players are more experienced. We play cupcake defenses. IMO, Lerner is foolish if he forces RAC's hand because it's a disaster waiting to happen. Lerner has showed incredible patience with this regime so far. I hope it continues for the sake of our franchise.
We're... we're good?
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IMO, Lerner is foolish if he forces RAC's hand because it's a disaster waiting to happen. Lerner has showed incredible patience with this regime so far. I hope it continues for the sake of our franchise.
Well,I do have a couple of questions for you.
Do bosses generaly tell you they're going to fire you?
I had this come up in a job interview one time. I interviewed for a job on Thursday. The guy asked,"When can you start?"
I said "Monday".
He then asked why I wasn't going to give my employer two weeks notice? To which my reply was an honest one and went as follows...........................
"If you decide to fire someone,do you give them a two week notice? How about laying them off? Do you give them a two week notice? I don't feel I owe anybody anything they do not feel they owe me in return. Life is a two way street."
The guy hired me on the spot! I guess he liked an honest answer more than a kiss ass.
Point being,if you're failing at your assigned job,you know it. You feel the pressure. You feel the heat. Your boss doesn't generaly give you an ultimatum for many reasons.
I don't think Lerner has given any either. But it will come to a point IMO,that Lerner tells Phil that he's brought in a lot of talent,but RAC can't make winners out of them. I think Lerner can see that.
When wil that happen? I have no idea. But I think RAC feels it may be very soon. IMO,BEFORE we start Quinn.
Just like Charlie was a third round experiment,IMO,RAC was too. They both failed to live up to expectations. You have a possible 30 mil. investment and your future at stake here.
You think they'll let a Charlie Frye kinda coach Botch that up? I certainly don't.
JMHO
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man I'm so back and forth on this whole do we start Quinn now or later thing...
I already said the Jaws thing...then I think about the Ravens and Patriots (the team I'm most scared of).
I don't want Quinn thrown in against the Pats or Ravens, not yet at least.
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How will your OL ever develop continuity with a different signal caller in the pocket from one half to the next? Do you believe the players see Frye or DA as the "teams leader"? Do you believe this team will play well as a unit and progress if they DON'T see a "team leader" out there?
Yes, they will run the same plays, get used to each other, and get used to not making adjustments....
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This team has no leader and no identity because RAC refused to name a starter and support him WEEKS ago! Our team will continue to sputter untill this situation is rectified. And it this juncture,there's a "no confidence" rating in both DA and Frye from their team mates. A no confidence vote that RAC handed out directly.
George Bush put Donald Rumsfeld in charge and showed complete confidence in him... how's that working out for you Pit? How do you show complete confidence in somebody who isn't up to the task?
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And as we saw in the Couch/Holcomb debacle,the team as a whole suffers.
The team suffered because they were both bad.. just as they are now. As I said in a different thread, RAC could have built a preseason shrine to Frye or to Anderson and named them the starter until the cows come home... would that change the fact that neither can read a blitz or throw a 12 yard pass accurately? No, it wouldn't.
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I think putting Quinn in will give this team "their leader". Somebody to "ralley behind". Because right now? It appears that they are all in a holding pattern just waiting for it to happen.
2 things led to that holding pattern and neither are RACs fault.. first is simply draft day. You don't give up next year's #1 to get your qb of the future to leave him on the bench for long... and secondly, neither of our other qbs ever did anything last year or this year in camp or preseason to lead anybody to believe they were "the man"...
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neither of our other qbs ever did anything last year or this year in camp or preseason to lead anybody to believe they were "the man"...
HOGWASH ... if RAC had said Charlie is da man .... the entire team would have went BRAIN DEAD and followed Charlie like the rats followed the PIED PIPER ... our play would have been FAR SUPERIOR if only RAC had shown confidence in Charlie ...
I find it propesterous and think u have unmitigated (pretty big word for me ... u impressed?? *LOL*) ... gall to make the argument that RAC's naming him the man and DESIGNATING him the leader would improve his decision making and accuracy .. we all know that not gonna happen ... BUT the entire team would now have a LEADER they BELIEVE in SIMPLY cause RAC showed confidence in him .... its really that SIMPLE ... oht he HEIGHTS WE COULD HAVE ACHEIVED if only RAC would have said the MAGIC WORDS ....
I mean come on bro ... the players have no clue who is really the better QB or the LEADER of the O ... NONE ... they just FOLLOW BLINDLY ...
leadership is NOT EARNED it is DESIGNATED by COACHES .... cant believe u dont know that ....
and RAC doesnt need credibility with the OTHER PLAYERS .. after all they cant think for themselves or know whats going on .... so even after RAC had them all laughing hysterically when he said FRYE IS DA MAN so u must FORGET EVERYTHING you;ve scene up to this point and FOLLOW BLINDLY on my command it woudk'nt have hurt his credibility ... 
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PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE ...
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I'm confused ... I thought this Browns team was equal to the Colts' team.
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Could you imagine the line going from RACs office, down the hall and out the door with Peak, Williams, Shaffer, Cribbs, Pool, etc... all wanting the deal Frye got.... "Hey, I showed up for all the camps, was mediocre at best too... I want to be named the starter at my position.... y'know, so our unit can build cohesiveness and the other guys will follow me ...." 
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I'll admit it....I was wrong. I wanted Charlie to start. I thought he would play well, and we would see a different player than last year.
I saw the same player.
I saw the same line play.
I saw the same run game.
I saw the same vanilla D most of the time that had a hard time with the run.
I say start Brady Quinn. If he is good then he will get better. If he isn't then how could we be worse off? I saw enough of him pre-season to realize he would be starting sooner or later. I say sooner. The sooner the better.
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I wanted Charlie to start too... not sure how well I thought he would play personally but I certainly didn't expect the whole offense to look as pathetic as it did....
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You'll never get it ATTACK.
U mean I don't see it the way U do..in that you're right.. The QB is "the face of your team. Your identity".
And what IDENTITY does Frye have????? NONE. WHAT IDENTITY does DA have ????? NONE.. NOTHING FROM NOTHING leeeaaaves nothing..U GOTTA sumptin... if ya wanna be with me  Remember that song? They have no leader. They have no identity. They don't know when or who will be in the pocket next. Still have to block, still have to catch the pass if it's catchable.. You said DA would be cut. Yeah I did and I stated my reasons..my reasons WERE LOGICAL... You've said this QB contraversy meant nothing. It showed just how flawed both QB's are..did EITHER ONE LIGHT IT UP knowing they could be the starter?? And yes ATTACK,wondering if you will come into work tomorrow and still have your job,will effect the work you do today. I don't care who you are or what you say. Oh my..like no one with a job doesn't have that to worry about? I've faced that too many times...and so have most people who work..IT WON'T pressure me into making mistakes..because I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING and have CONFIDENCE IN MY SKILLS...gee was that rocket science?
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Its like they say bro .. when u have 2 QB's u have NONE ... Pit doesn't like that sayiing .. *L* ..
Frye and DA both have identities ....
Frye is inaccurate with a weak arm and inconsistent decision making skills with great mobility ...
DA is strong armed and remarkably inaccurate (sometimes i wonder how he can consistenlty miss throws by that much .. yesterday i truely marveled at his inaccuracy) ... he is the classic cigar stored indian that is very consistent with his decision making .. its CONSINTENTLY HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!
they both have identitites ... and soon they will be ....
Frye - back up QB for the Browns ...
DA - Insurance salesman at the firm of Wynn, PP and Johnson ...
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Yes, they will run the same plays, get used to each other, and get used to not making adjustments....
Well,good luck with that DC. I'm hoping for it. But I've never seen an army respond well when nobody has a clue who the general is.
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George Bush put Donald Rumsfeld in charge and showed complete confidence in him... how's that working out for you Pit? How do you show complete confidence in somebody who isn't up to the task?
Well,unlike your scenario,there were really only two choices that RAC had. NEITHER were nor are "truely up to the task". That's why Quinn was drafted in the first place. IMO,that's a no brainer. So you "choose" the lesser of the two evils and run with it. (A lot like voting!)
You don't keep your team in a constant state of flux untill Quinn is ready. Choose one and make him your starter. At least the team has some direction untill Quinn is ready. Right now? Nobody has any direction or confidence because the leader of the team,RAC hasn't given out any. Like I said,you can't lead a team unless the head coach says you're the leader. RAC has made it known that there ISN'T a leader. And it's showing on the field in a lot more than the QB position.
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The team suffered because they were both bad.. just as they are now. As I said in a different thread, RAC could have built a preseason shrine to Frye or to Anderson and named them the starter until the cows come home... would that change the fact that neither can read a blitz or throw a 12 yard pass accurately? No, it wouldn't.
Nobody said it would. What I am saying is they would have had more reps in TC and pre season. There would be more continuity NOW because of it. The members of this team would have some direction and a "named leader" on the field. I find it quite amusing that a few of you even find this topic debateable.
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.. .. and secondly, neither of our other qbs ever did anything last year or this year in camp or preseason to lead anybody to believe they were "the man"...
Somebody had to be "named the man" untill Quinn was ready. DA went 0-3 in his starts. It was RAC's "job" to name a starter to lead this team untill Quinn was ready. He failed miserably. Now? It's nothing but pure confusion untill Quinn starts.
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Its like they say bro .. when u have 2 QB's u have NONE ... Pit doesn't like that sayiing .. *L* ..
Frye and DA both have identities ....
Frye is inaccurate with a weak arm and inconsistent decision making skills with great mobility ...
DA is strong armed and remarkably inaccurate (sometimes i wonder how he can consistenlty miss throws by that much .. yesterday i truely marveled at his inaccuracy) ... he is the classic cigar stored indian that is very consistent with his decision making .. its CONSINTENTLY HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!
That's AMAZING Diam!
You figured it out and it took RAC all of training camp AND pre season to ome up with the same conclusion we knew GOING INTO TC!
Like I said,neither are long term answers. But we know now what we knew then. All RAC had to do was weigh those options and make a decision based on those basic things you mentioned.
Instead? He turned it into a three ring circus and we can see it on the field.
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the bottom line is this
Its time for Quinn...like it or not...it's Time
when RAc yanbked Charlie Frye in the 1st half of the Steelers game..that marked the end of Frye...he is done
Derek Anderson....did not do enough to instill any kind of confidence at all in this team
we need "Stability" at the QB position...Brady Quinn is that Stability
We have invested too much in quinn..he gets 4 years here regardless of what happenens....right now...quinn has a better OL, RB, and WR than Couch had...it's a completly different scenario
it's time...This team i think can "settle down" and rally behind someone like quinn..he has the leadership, poise, the attitude...all of it...and he has the talent to lead this football team
you would be suprised..Quinn takes us down the field right away and we score against Cincy, our D will come flying sky high..the confidence will be back and this team will give 110% all get go and start hitting people back
It's time for Quinn....romeo made it Quinn time when he yanked Charlie
it's time
Brady Quinn should get the nod against cincy
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Its like they say bro .. when u have 2 QB's u have NONE
Worst saying ever.
The 49ers had a QB battle between Montana and Young. Did that mean they had no QB?
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IMO, Charlie looked like a guy afraid to make the mistake that would lose his job. He'd stand there and second-guess himself in the pocket until he was eventually sacked. I don't know if that is something that can be fixed by next week or not-----that being said--I don't think that it makes much difference who starts. It looked like Anderson came in and played like he had nothing to lose--but Charlie played tentatively and couldn't get much done. Though he did have a drive going that was eventually derailed by an offensive interference call on K2 that was absolute crap. CRAP. Worst call I've ever seen, ever.
Like I said, Frye looked like a guy thinking too much out there. IMO, he could be ruined---this whole controversy thing has taken Frye, a guy who at first was a bit of a loose cannon. And now he is so indecisive, IMO, because he is constantly looking over BOTH shoulders. He's doesn't want to make the mistake that takes him off the field. Hopefully, they will sit him down and tell the kid--YOU NEED to throw the darn ball. It was easily the worst performance out of Frye I have seen to date---totally unsure of himself.
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*LOL* .... and that shows just how clueless u truely are .... let me give u a little history lesson there King of the Los .... Err Stats ...
1. GREAT JOB ... u find one excpetion to an OTHERWISE PRETTY MUCH FLAWLESS and TIME TESTED SAYING and u dismiss it as the worst saying ever .. maenwhile u make CONCLUSION after CONCLUSION based on QB Ratings when even the guy who INVENTED it says its PRETTY MUCH USELESS when determining how good a QB is or played ...
anyone else find that kind of ironic??? *LOL* ...
2. Comparing our situation with DA and #9 with Frisco's with Young and joe is funny as hell .. thanks for the laugh ... and hey ... I am sure Frye;s stats are still as good or better than MANY GREAT QB'S after the same amount of starts .... 
3. they NEVER had a QB SKIRMISH much less a BATTLE .... but the stats dont tell u that so u wouldn't know it ... heres how it worked ...
when the traded for Young they told him PRE TRADE we want u to come and BACK UP and LEARN from Joe Monatana .. and in 4 or 5 years the job will be yours ....
so while Joe led them to a couple more SB's young sat on the bench with NO QB CONTROVERSY AT ALL ... most folks didnt even know that young was ont he team .. *LOL* ...
then in 91 ( I believe .. not 100% sure of the year) after young had rode the pines for 4 or 5 years ... Joe goes down with a serious back injury around week 8 or so ... Young starts the rest of that year ...
Joe's surgery kept him out for all of the next year .. well most of it anyhow .. he came back at some point but it was made clar to him and everyone else the Niners would continue to play Young .. then in the last game of the year with Home Field clinched they let Joe play at Candlestick IMO knowing full well it would be his last game as a Niner ...
the Niners lose in t he playoffs under Young's guidance .. they make it known then they will make a decision on their QB of the future soon ...
they decide on Young WELL BEFORE TC ... and tell Joe he will be the BACK UP and their will be NO COMP ... Joe says i want out ... they trade him ...
there was NEVER EVER A QB BATTLE IN FRISCO ..... EVER .... but like i said .. u being as clueless as u are wouldnt know that ..
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He just digressed. All on his own Tyler. The QB contraversy had nothing to do with it. Just ask the "RAC Brigade".
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they both have identitites ... and soon they will be ....
Frye - back up QB for the Browns ...
Yeah..but that isn't a shock.. DA - Insurance salesman at the firm of Wynn, PP and Johnson ... His insurance quotes will be SO OFF THE MARK it'll be pitiful.. 
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sure he had like 6 drops that 1 year, but she still had over 1,000 yards, he was only 23 years old...he was maturing and coming along nicely and we got rid of him
Just a quick point Knight..... SF dropped him too, so did the Cowboys. I think the reason is because of things that aren't shown on the field and instead kept in the locker room. Bryant was a heckuva player, and he always produces. He runs a route that is as good as most recievers in the NFL and he has decent hands.
Unfortunately the guy probably is a big jerk whose affect on the team is so bad that it warrants the lack of consideration as to his play on the field. This is why I think Bryant is not on our team. There's little reason otherwise to explain why a reciever of his caliber isn't wanted in this league.
I mean, is he on a team right now?
As for RAC and picking the QB....... I think we have seen the rest of the league figure out our two QBs pretty well. I also think that if there wasn't a competition the players would have been angry. It would have seemed "unfair" and there would have been locker room problems. That whole coin flip thing probably went through RAC's mind as "We're going to be fair and give them both a starting shot. Since they both are starting on equal ground we flip a coin so they know they had a fair chance to start the first preseason game"
While I too believe that Rac needs to get canned, may be even Savage; I know that we better not start next season switching our defense out of the 3-4 and such. I like Grantham and I wanna give Chud a shot. May be we can bring in Marty Schottenheimer and he'll agree to keep'm both as our guys.
I've lost faith in RAC. I see no mid-game adjustments and I've never seen us win one challenge. The players love him, but we don't win and accountability needs to be looked into. I just don't want to begin rebuilding again because I really think we have enough talent not to need that. I like Wimbley, Winslow, Thomas, Jones. They are all going to be great players.
And as for Quinn, I want him held off at least until the BYE week. I can suffer another 5 losses, even a season's worth of losses and watching the Cowboys take a top 5 pick from us.......But I can't watch us risk screwing up our rookie QB again by sending him in early. I know "What if he's ready" well what if he's not. It's better to play it safe in my book then to ruin our franchise QB by making Brady Quinn play too early. No matter what Ron Jaworski (or however you spell it) says. Give Quinn some time, Pennington and Palmer didn't play their first season. If Quinn ends up as good as either of those guys it's a job well done
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I agree Tyler. I think the fans and media ran Frye out of town about halfway through last year. He just hasn't left yet. I noticed late last year he was getting gunshy. I thought this preseason he was back to his old self but Pitt set him back to where he was. The best thing for Charlie would be to move on down the road and start over with a real team..... That would leave us time to get busy ruining our next QB.
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The best thing for Charlie would be to move on down the road and start over with a real team.....
That's what folks said about 3 or 4 of our QBs... none of which have gone on to do very much with a "real team"... Dilfer is a back-up, Holcomb is a back-up, and Garcia is starting by default for a team which may be the only team in the NFL worse than us....
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wow....this rough. As much as all of us are petrified at the prospect of ruining Quinn saying he isnt ready, the book on Quinn said he was the QB most ready for the pro-game in the draft. Quinn gets rid of the ball quickly. He has shown that in every game he has been on the field. I just dont understand how at this point keeping him on the sidelines better prepares him for facing an NFL defense. So he takes some licks, he is going to anyways. The one thing I see in quinn is a prettty damn high football IQ. Peen said that if Quinn 60% is better than the other guys, than he should start and I agree 100% I see absolutely no benefit to keeping him out. If they wait until bye week the rest of the team will be completely demoralized and then he WILL get killed. Brady Quinn is not Tim Couch. This O-line is not the same as it was in 99. With the ball coming out of there faster it will look much better. If they are that worried about keeping him out of harms way than they keep the play calling safe and not ask him to do too much. They are now teetering on the precipice of losing the rest of the team if forced to go to battle with the bum platoon at QB. I believe that this team knows that the best Qb isnt on the field JMHO. Whether they think he is ready or not, I bet to a man they would understand what was at stake with the kid under center and dig a bit deeper. And Diam Quote:
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If they wait until bye week the rest of the team will be completely demoralized and then he WILL get killed.
No No No No ... WHENEVER BQ starts ... your gonna see the players respond ... the players ont he team know we have sumptin special in BQ ... they know .. they've been around him and seen what he can do .. your gonna hear stories this off season when the job is clearly BQ's and theres no doubt hes the man ....... your gonna hear about his work ethic, brains, leadership and skill set .... the players ont his team will let us know what they think about him .. they can't say it now .. but trust me .. everyone in that locker room knows ...
WHENEVER he starts .... EVERYONE gets a jump in their step ... BQ will be like a nice cool breeze on a hot summer day .....
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BQ will be like a nice cool breeze on a hot summer day .”...
LMFAO... Too many ways I could go with that one D but I will save it for the uncensored chatroom... 
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there was many possible phrases to use their and i picked that one just for U .. *L* ... PS. in case your wondering the pregnancy is going just fine ...
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If they wait until bye week the rest of the team will be completely demoralized and then he WILL get killed.
No No No No ... WHENEVER BQ starts ... your gonna see the players respond ... the players ont he team know we have sumptin special in BQ ... they know .. they've been around him and seen what he can do .. your gonna hear stories this off season when the job is clearly BQ's and theres no doubt hes the man ....... your gonna hear about his work ethic, brains, leadership and skill set .... the players ont his team will let us know what they think about him .. they can't say it now .. but trust me .. everyone in that locker room knows ...
WHENEVER he starts .... EVERYONE gets a jump in their step ... BQ will be like a nice cool breeze on a hot summer day .....
Alright Diam I get where your coming from.... but seriously I am tired of watching this crap. How long do you think they need to wait to bring him in???
I would be willing to bet that Chud isnt even using most of the offense with CF & DA at the helm.
How far can he be behind them as far as knowing the offense goes?
I know he missed time in camp but CF & DA dont appear to be so sharp that they could be that far ahead.
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I hear U my fellow Dawg ... its hard to watch .... next week will much better ... if we lose you'll be bitchin about the D .. *LOL* ...
my mantra with this team and BQ for the last 3 months has been ....
PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE ... and theres a reason for that ...
the week after the Bye works for me ... I wanted that to be his first PT ... but DC made a good point .. maybe bring him in for some PT in the 2nd half (maybe even start it) for the Fish game .. the game right before the bye ..
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there was many possible phrases to use their and i picked that one just for U .. *L* ...
PS. in case your wondering the pregnancy is going just fine ...
LMFAO... Actually your original quote made me think of a Summer's Eve commercial...
BTW on the pregnancy... Is it Phil's or Brady's??
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All I know is that if the QB play sucks next week, its going to get very ugly, very loud, very quick.
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Keep fightin' the good fight, Pit...  Start Brady now. What will the Ravens and Pats defenses do to him? Will they mez-mo-tize him?  Turn him into a blabbering idiot?  Will Brady become some mamby-pamby after facing the evil-sorcerer, Bill Belichick? These teams have made all QBs look bad. Peyton Manning had some demoralizing losses to the Pats, but he had the skills to bounce back. Brady will do the same thing. He will learn from it and be a better QB because of the experience. At this point, we have two lame duck QBs in front of him, and they are so inconsistent in their performance that the rest of the team can't count on them. That's two big strikes against them. I don't know how any professional would be able to keep his heart in the game knowing that the QBs were temporary and impossible to rely on. The team would be much better with consistently mediocre Ken Dorsey than sometimes-good-sometimes-awful Frye/Anderson. Given that this is not an option right now, RAC should cut bait and do what is best for the team. Start Brady and give everyone on the team an idea that they are playing for now and the future. Finally - to everyone who says wait until the bye week, what do you tell the rest of the team? "These next three games really do not matter. Just look forward to game 5 when we can trot out a real starting QB. Oh, and it will take time for him to adjust, so we will consider the next couple games after that to be good learning experiences for the kid..." Of course, you might say that the Browns have a very legitimate shot at winning those games, to which you could tell the players: "We have a great chance to win these games, so we have to start Frye or Anderson, who know the playbook..."  You really believe that???
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The original plan here was to let BQ sit for at least a while,....I see no reason right now to hit the panick button after 1 game.....I don't know if anyone actually benefits from him sitting I just know it won't hurt either.
If we come out next Sunday and the QB's put up a repeat performance from yesterday,...then I'll agree that the BQ era should begin immediately.
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The original plan here was to let BQ sit for at least a while,....I see no reason right now to hit the panick button after 1 game.....I don't know if anyone actually benefits from him sitting I just know it won't hurt either.
If we come out next Sunday and the QB's put up a repeat performance from yesterday,...then I'll agree that the BQ era should begin immediately.
The reason for me is that the offense appears to be sleep walking whenever Frye or Anderson are at QB - and this has been the case throughout pre-season, too. However, when Quinn played everyone had an extra bounce in their step. This first regular season game against Pittsburgh just confirmed that for me.
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