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Good episode. I can see how some folks may be upset that Cersei's death wasn't more dramatic, or gruesome, as she did so much hateful stuff to people over the course of the series, but it is what it is. She's done.

- My prediction(s) - Sansa becomes queen; Jon Snow is King of the North; Arya attempts to kill Daenerys, but Jon snow actually ends up doing it as Daenerys comes after Sansa and he has to protect his 'sister' or his queen. Bran becomes hand of the queen; Tyrion becomes Lord of Casterly Rock.

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Not a good episode for me and harkened back some of the things I didn't like about the last couple of seasons, namely with poor writing and story telling.

- I understand the Battle in Winterfell should have been the tougher of the two battles (living vs. non-living/magical beings) in the season but I don't understand how the fans are to assume the Iron Fleet and the Scorpion weapons are such a problem from the last episode only to be completely demolished in 5 minutes of this episode. Made no sense.

- The Hound lets Arya follow him all the way to the tip top of the Red Keep only to tell her to turn around and go ALL THE WAY back down? Didn't seem believeable.

- The Golden Company served absolutely zero purpose. Since they are sell swords, I would have liked to see them change allegiances after seeing Drogon's destruction early on. To see them wiped out in 30 seconds seemed lazy. Very lazy.

- I did like how they planted to Mad Queen angle and how the good guys quickly turned bad with continuing to attack the towns people and Lannister Army.

- Tyrion's face and close-up expressions were amazing when he saw Dany continue to attack King's Landing. I envision him thinking to himself.."Varys was right all along. What have I done?" I also really liked the scene between he and Jaime in the tent before he lets him loose.

- I didn't like how they quickly turned from Cersei being this ruthless ruler to submitting and breaking down emotionally so quickly. I would have loved to see her aggressive to the end and Jaime finally seeing her for the person she truly is. I do like that they died (if confirmed) together, but not how they died. And Jaime seemed perfectly fine climbing up rubbled after being stabbed twice in the gut.

- Qyburn's death was laughable and lazy as well.

- The visuals and directing of the episode was great again from Sapochnik, just the writing seemed below average.

I think this episode could have been so much better.

Right, he got stabbed twice and quite deep. He shouldn't have been able to walk all the way to the map room and then back, but I didn't care about nitpicking last night. Maybe I was exhausted from a busy weekend, but I just soaked it all in.

Looking back, I could ask where the whole King's Landing army was? It's implied the dragon burned them all alive, but we should have seen all of them outside of the castle (we see a small force at the gate, but wouldn't they have 30,000-50,000+ more troops elsewhere?). I was okay with Dani destroying all the scorpion crossbows, it might have helped if she had mentioned a plan to come in low because they can't aim fast enough from that angle (which seemed like they implied in the action).

I suppose in the moment I wonder how Tyrian is allowed to tell the guards to leave Jaime's tent alone and then Jaime still has to escape from the middle of camp. Small nitpick, but I didn't care. Their goodbye was worth it and I think the Jaime/Cersei death was well done. Sure, she was evil and we all wanted to see her beheaded in some cruel way, but now Dani clearly vaults over Cersei as the biggest evil of the show by far. I saw it as a flip of the switch, Cersei lost and became vulnerable while Dani overtook her, so see Cersei get murdered wasn't needed. The showrunners did that on purpose.

I actually liked this episode much more than the last 2 episodes.

Dany's fall to becoming the Mad Queen was rushed though. Not sure why she felt the need to burn the whole city when she could have just flown right to the Red Keep and destroyed it?

Main question I had during the whole thing is what happened to Bronn? I was half expecting him to show up and kill Euron for Jamie.

Mountain vs. The Hound was great, as was the scene with Tyrion and Jamie. I enjoyed Cersei dying with her younger brother's hands around her neck (in a hug) as a shout out to the prophecy of her dying in the book.

I was expecting a big twist this episode (as it was hinted at by multiple actors on social media), but I didn't see any this week. I think they are saving it for next week, when Dany tries to burn Tyrion Varys's style, but Tyrion is unharmed as it is confirmed that he is actually a Targaryen. Jon kills Dany, and Tyrion becomes ruler of Westeros!

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Aaron Rogers Cameo:

This, right here has been my main beef. Her descent has been sooo rushed and uneven. I know they laid the seeds a while ago. We thought maybe she wouldn't be able to be a kind ruler or maybe she was just a slow learner in how to win over the people without relying on fear. Like when she torched the Tarleys. But since then it has been inconsistent and, to ME, it has ruined her arc. Breaker of chains...

And, if she had gone to the Keep first, she could have then destroyed the place from the middle and worked her way out. Destroy the city and still let the innocents get out. But nope, gotta have her go 100% off her rocker.

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I don't think it's a question of Arya kills Dani. The real question is, who's face will she be wearing?

Who’s face will she be wearing? Is this Silence of the Lambs? It rubs the lotion on it’s body.

Did you not see the faceless men training, or her killing all the Freys?

I’ve not watched this since season 1. I have no idea what is going on but if I base it on season 1, Linda Lovelace should be queen.

I think this episode would have been awesome with some surround sound.

I don't get how people think Sansa will sit in the throne... I think she rules the north and john is king... I also I think john will kill dani...my biggest question is does te dragon die too...

Dani has shown crazy tendencies throughout the show... she burned several people throughout the show and wanted to burn down kings landing from the beginning but Tyrion talked her out of it... so while many think it was rushed I think hr craziness was always there...

Jamie and euron fight seemed weird... no way Jamie can make I think to the end of the show after those stab wounds.... and the way cersei dies seems so incomplete..

Overall I enjoyed the episode... but I really wish GRM would have finished the books to give some better written to the show...

I'm not sure they will kill Dani, unless she picks a fight first.

Because at the moment Dani decided to burn the city, they showed her and the Grey Worm, and it was clearly a revenge moment for Missandre's (sp?) death.

It wasnt like she went off the rails for no reason.

Is she a cold hearted bitch? Yeah. I dont think she is right for Jon. She is getting increasingly mental. If they off her for that reason, its very rushed.

None of those people other than Tyrion care about KL, and in general hate Lannisters, so there isnt a reason for them to be upset about the sacking of the city.

What is their motivation for killing Dani other than control?

Probably the fact that she probably killed tens of thousands of innocent people and also a good amount of her own troops.

King's Landing isn't a Lannister city, it's the capital of Westeros. No one is upset about the Lannisters, but Daenerys killed Innocents, whick also provoked her "foreign" troops to join in and kill piles more.

Thats true. I just have a feeling they will spin it as a revenge thing. Any of them would be happy with ruling Westeros from Winterfell.

Didn’t they mention there were close to a million people within the walls of the city (normally half that but Cersei invited thousands into the city to use them as human shields)? And Dani basically killed all of them.

I think that’s part of the reason why Cersei wasn’t murdered. She put all these pieces in place, pushed Dani and if the fans wanted to see Cersei suffer, that was the moment. Heck, even before the city was destroyed, as the bells started ringing, she lost in a huge way. And then Dani destroyed it all to further tear Cersei down. Seeing her plan fail so miserably was way worse than someone stabbing her, so much more humiliating.

Just my guess but I think so. Jon Snow is "The Song of Ice and Fire". He has both the blood of the Starks and Targaryans. I think he is the one to bring the balance between the two extremes. Ice has been taking care of in the form of the White Walkers and Dany and Drogon are the Fire element that needs to be distinguished to bring balance among humanity. I think Jon fulfills the prophecy of Azor Ahai in some form or fashion next week. I think the question becomes whether he lives to see the balance.

We shall see.

I can see Tyrion finding his siblings half buried in the wreckage. Jaime dead on top of his dying sister. I could see Tyrion finishing her off because he's pissed that she "woke the dragon" in Dany. Plus, she'll probably spew some spiteful venom at him about how it should have been him instead of Jaime. Trapped on the ground would also make strangling her easier for him.

How far along is Cersei? There's also the possibility she's carrying twins (runs in the family) and dies giving birth to the 2nd one (fulfilling the valonqar foretelling).

So much to wrap up in 1 more episode, definitely is feeling rushed this season.

Yep, there are a ton of loose ends to wrap up in one single episode.

If Dani kills Jon and Arial kills Dani, would a child born from Sansa and Tyrion have a claim to the throne?

Btw------------how did Jamie's hand grow back?

Or will Jon randomly knock up Sansa before he dies? Or Arya (possibly thinking she's someone else)?

Just trying to figure out what happens to the dragons if the Targaryen line ends.

We're getting close to the point where anyone with an army has a claim. Sansa and Tyrion could probably pull together the largest one.

Or will one of the Tyrell's randomly ride back into the picture? Or whoever inherited Highgarden since I think they got wiped out in the Great Sept?

Are we ready for King Bronn?

my problem is they've built up all these storylines and prophecies and threw them away in this season, like none of it matters and they are rushing for a conclusion..should have done one more season atleast or a full season minimum

And before Varys got burnt to a crisp, he sent out all those messages about Jon's true parentage and claim to the throne. Who will show up to King's Landing now after receiving said message?

I think it was at the Emmys, but George R. R. Martin said that GOT could have went into seasons 11, 12, and 13.

no doubt, easily.. theres so many storylines and character arcs

I read today that HBO would have let it go longer but this genius writing crew basically said, "no thanks, we got this." These clowns are nothing without books to adapt.

In their defense, how long are they supposed to wait for George Martin*?

A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)
The Winds of Winter (forthcoming)
A Dream of Spring (forthcoming)

The last book was 2011, which is long time ago. HBO can't wait 1-3 more years for #6 and then another 8+ for #7. Heck, HBO was on hold for almost two years since season 7. And not to be morbid, George Martin is 70 and not a thin dude, will the guy live long enough to finish both books if it's going to take 7-10 years?

I think had they known they'd blow through the books so fast and GRRM was going to be slow to write they probably could have fleshed out the stories longer, or maybe started earlier in the lineage

I think the problem is money. They could've introduced fAegon so Varys's story would make sense and add Stoneheart's storyline, but how long are we going to make the series at that point? GRRM's delay is that he wanted to write the series as a trilogy, but has 5000 different storylines going on, so he just has to keep writing and writing. In 30 years we'll hopefully get a remake that is true to the books.

I'm not sure how'd they know any of that at the time. He had released the first four books in 9 years (2.25 year average). Who would have guessed that he'd only release the 5th book six years later and then followed by an 8 year gap with the 6th book still missing?

Heck, the HBO series started in the same year as volume 5 was released, nobody knew if the show was going to be a hit and would need the 6th and 7th books in 2019 and beyond.

I just started watching this series a few months ago, but I know a lot of my friends were quite upset they had to wait almost two years for season 8.

Assuming George is the only person on the planet to come up with the ending that all the fans would like, which I doubt, HBO was stuck. Potentially never finish the series waiting for the books or do it themselves. Heck, I read George signed off on their ending but reserved the right to change it later in his books (so he could almost test the HBO ending and then go a different direction if the fans revolted).

safe to say at this point GRRM has a blank slate as for the most part this season has been trash. But at the same time, who's going to want to read the books to a show thats been completed. He probably would have sold a ton more books releasing while the show was airing

Adding fAegon would have been amazing. The overall House Blackfyre backstory would need to be added in as well, but I'm guessing you assume you can't have one without the other.

I'm actually going to start the books now. I'll let them lead me how they will and I think, from what I've heard, I'll enjoy them.

Was a late comer to the show so didn't have to wait for season 8.

Savor the books! They are amazing!

I kinda blame GRRM for this. By the time I read his last book, it was 2012. I started the series late. I remember reading a press release that the next book was being pushed back to 2015.

2015 came and went and GRRM was on the set of GOT getting fat of the show's success. I think he lost some of his motivation to write. Of course, writing such books is a monumental endeavor, but it's been 8 years since his last book.

The books might seem weird now that we have seen the TV show play out. I kinda doubt he even writes another book in the series. I'm planning on re-reading the books because I'm sure I missed a bunch and sometimes I get scenes from the books and the shows mixed-up.

Yep.