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I agree on Foles. I don't see much improvement for the Jags in the QB department. I can see the Colts, Titans and Texans all finishing better than the Jags.

I think the Jags are an interesting team. They were something like 13 and 3 just two years ago and a couple of plays away from beating NE and advancing to the Super Bowl.

You might not like Foles, but he was the Super Bowl MVP and beat Brady and the Pats in that very same Super Bowl. There is no bigger stage than the Super Bowl.

I could see the Jags having another good year like they did two years ago or being a very average team that is only slightly better than they were last year. It's going to come down to team chemistry w/them.

I asked questions and gave u plenty of opportunity to talk football ... u chose to respond by ignoring all the football questions and talk ... I told u 4 - 6 weeks ago u had a bug up your butt with me and it comes shining through in your reply ...



It was great stuff .. i read every word ... its why i come here and I love when u break crap down like that .... i had nothing to add and others carried my mantle and asked questions so there was no need for me to ask ... thanks to U and the others that contributed ... GREAT STUFF ...



We’ve discussed Wilks in the past .. we don’t agree ... i’ve stated why many many times ... YOUR LAST POST IN THAT THREAD has given me reason to re-consider ... the fact he changed Zona’s affective D from a 4 - 3 to a 3 - 4 or vice versa made me re-think my stance that we would not have hired him and drafted greedy coupled with Dorsey and Freddie bing adamant about wanting coaches that are going to utilize there talent properly and are team players ...

So I took what u said and mulled it over and still landed on that did not override Freddie’s philosophy and drafting Greedy ... in your opinion that makes me closed minded ... your problem, not mine ...

I was not a fan of the CB tackling remarks he made either ... on that one .. what was the context he said it in and possibly more important WHY did he do it .. was that a challenge to his corners that they need to tackle ... i sure hope there was a motivation behind that comment other than were gonna use more zone (specifically cover 2 as theres a lot more man concepts in some zones than i would have ever imagined ... I learned that from your thread ... ) than man ...



Actually if u read what i said that is NOT WHAT I DID ... i would never call u clueless ... your far from it ... I said rthe following:

- we don’t know if bake is working on it or not ... we have no clue ... just because he didn’t go work with a QB guru that we know of doesn’t mean he wasn’t working on the issues ... there’s other options than working with a QB coach in the offseason ...

U took that as me calling u clueless .. once again ... your problem, not mine ...



Still do ... maybe once the bug up your butt with me gets crapped out maybe you’ll be able to see that again ...



U think i’m Gonna be apologetic cause i am excited about this team ... ... good luck with that one ... call me a cheerleader all u want .... i’ll Raise my Pom pom’s and cheer that sentiment on ... *L* ..

i’ve said forever on this board i am an eternal optimist even though every year up until this year i’ve NEVER SEEN a team in C-town that i thought could have gone 500 .since our return ... i even predicted a 2 win season in 15 ... for my first 20 years on this board everyone said i was a pessimist and negative ... NOW we finally have TONS OF TALENT and u think i’m Gonna somehow regret leading the cheers ... after 20 years of NOTHING TO CHEER ABOUT ... u bet your ass i’m Gonna be out front and LOUD AND PROUD ...



U still can ... like i said bro ... i gave u plenty of opportunity to talk football in my response ... u changed your focus from me bing closed minded to being a cheerleader without answering ANY OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED U ... and now your wondering why i don’t ask them ... ...



Irritating u is my special gift ... has been for years ... *L* ...

Ain’t the first time you’ve punched me in the gut and it won’t be the last ... as long as its the guts and not the ribs or the face i’m fine with it ... hopefully u will respond to my football stuff as this is BS ...



Yes there are ... just like there is with every other team in the nfl right now ... were no different ... we both know the talents there ... i’m more focused on the talent but know theres question marks while your focusing more on the question marks but know the talent is there ...



Not on our talent level there isn’t IMO ... i’ve said it before and agree 100% with bone ... just because we have the talent does not mean were going to win but it sure gives us as good or a better shot than the others ...



And just like last year before the season started and i was predicting 6 wins and u brought up the pre-season power rankings ... i told u then i could care less about the pre season power rankings ... the year before the eventual SB champs were between 15 - 20 in every pre season power ranking and the team that lost the AFC championship game was 22 - 27 in every pre season power ranking or something like that ... i cvan’t remember the exact spot but the Iggles were not in the top half of the league and the Jags were bottom feeders ...

I told u then .. i could care less about any of that crap but if i did it would be the Vegas lines that would carry all the weight with me ... those jokers that do those power rankings are just that ... jokers ... bro ... U and I could do a better job than them ...

If u wanna have some fun ... lets do one together before the season starts and then we can compare that to what the “pro’s” power ranking were before the season ... Shaft and i used to it with the drafts .. we did it 2 or 3 years and had a BLAST ...

Hopefully you’ll reply to my football post ... i’m done with this crap ... your call but i will no longer respond to u telling me the board is void of football talk while your not talking football WITH ME ...

It will be very interesting to see how long this suspension is ... opinions will be far and wide ... *L* ...

I wonder how long the jackass Goodell will take to announce this one ...

The length of his suspension will go along way in determining there success this season ... they have a formidable foe in the Chargers for the division and u never know what it will take to be a wild card until the season starts to unfold ...

This is a HUGE decision as it could determine the fate of a franchises season ...

Hope the jackass gets it right ...

I hadn’t read your reply before I responded to vers so I had no clue what u said ...

U had my back before I posted ... *L* ...



My biggest concern is RG ... but what about stopping the run? ... u think that the Sheldon/Vernon combo is the answer? .... i’m still very concerned about it ... what makes u feel comfie enough with it to not be concerned about it? ...



If its Kalis lets hope he’s improved ... if not were gonna be in trouble ... Bake and the skill position players will have to make them way better than they are ...



No change here bro ... still a REALIST tabber ... its not my fault they never gave me a reason(the talent) to be optimistic before ... maybe they were trying my patience ... *LOL* ...

I will wear the HOMER moniker proudly until this team proves me wrong .... it hasn’t proven me wrong in 20 years lets hope they don’t start now ... *L* ....

I hope your right ... there definelty a pretty big upgrade I just don’t know if there enough ... it’ll be better but will it be good enough ...

Hopefully Coley or one of the other pups steps up ... that sure would help ...

Your OK with our LBer’s as it stands now against the run? ...

A great front 4 will help make the LB's much better ...

Football Outsiders praises young core of Browns roster

Cleveland lands at the top of the rankings of teams with the best under-25 talent in the NFL.

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/8/7/20758646/cleveland-browns-young-core-of-roster

The Cleveland Browns did not become the NFL’s must-see team in 2019 overnight.

The process of resurrecting the franchise began in 2016 and continued through the past three seasons.

It was rough at times, but fans started to see the work payoff in the second half of last season, and bigger things are expected from a Browns team that has reached levels of hype last seen in the 1980s.

Football Outsiders released its annual rankings of teams based on their under-25 talent on Wednesday, via ESPN, looking at not only the on-field production but also taking into consideration the value and length of the players’ current contract situation.

And coming in at No. 1 on the list is none other than your Cleveland Browns:

Calling the Browns’ draft-day decisions from 2016 to 2018 controversial might be underselling it. They traded away the No. 2 pick that became Carson Wentz; selected pass-rusher Myles Garrett ahead of quarterbacks Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, and Deshaun Watson; and finally selected Mayfield and Denzel Ward with their resulting top-four picks when many preferred Sam Darnold, Bradley Chubb or Saquon Barkley, among others. Executive Sashi Brown and head coach Hue Jackson couldn’t survive those decisions -- and maybe should not have considering their entire body of work -- but new general manager John Dorsey and head coach Freddie Kitchens are poised to have the last laugh at the helm of the league’s most valuable young roster.

Mayfield is the Browns’ keystone asset. They were rewarded for adhering to QBASE-Football Outsiders’ quarterback prospect projection system and other advanced metrics that preferred Mayfield to the more physically gifted Darnold and Josh Allen. Mayfield looks like a star in traditional statistics (63.8% completion percentage, 27 touchdowns and 14 interceptions) and by his 628 passing DYAR, 12th in the NFL, as a rookie.

Ward and Garrett join Mayfield as blue-chip players with several years left on their rookie deals. The former had the third-highest success rate in coverage in his rookie season (63%), and the latter was a top-10 run-stopper at his position who added 13.5 sacks and 33 hurries. Kareem Hunt has been a blue-chip performer on the field, as well, adding more than 300 combined rushing and receiving DYAR in 11 games in 2018 before the Chiefs released him after the release of a video that showed him in an altercation with a woman in early 2018. If he makes good on his second chance, he will return from an eight-game suspension to join second-year back Nick Chubb in what could easily be the best running back duo in football.

The article goes on to also credit wide receivers Antonio Callaway and Rashard Higgins, tight end David Njoku, cornerback Greedy Williams and linebacker Sione Takitaki as depth players that should help the Browns be a favorite to go deep into the playoffs for the next several years.

We won’t quibble too much about the tired notion that the Browns should have selected a quarterback who finished that past two seasons injured (Wentz), or that selecting Garrett instead of a quarterback whose team wins in spite of him (Trubisky) was the wrong call, or that selecting a running back high in the first round (Barkley) is a defensible decision in today’s NFL.

Rather, let’s take a moment to consider that the Browns:

have finally solved the quarterback situation that has plagued the franchise since the early 1990s
have a dominant pass rusher that opposing offenses have to account for on every play
have a true starting running back after years of trying to patch over the position with retreads or low-budget players
have what could be the best pair of cornerbacks since Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield (sorry, that may be a little too much hype, but Ward and Williams have the talent to be a special duo)
have one of the best wide receiver groups in the NFL, even if two of them - Odell Beckham Jr. and Jarvis Landry - are just a tick north of the age of 25
This team is young, but it is also talented at the key positions, which is a great position to be in.

And it is another reason why the hype surrounding the Browns may actually turn into something special in the years to come.