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Going to admit my knowledge of the region is not deep. But my understanding is the Palestinians have always been there - and Israel was created after WWII, carved out by the Ally forces that conquered Germany .... From what little I know the guy on the left of screen is either dead wrong or seriously manipulating "Facts" .... happy for someone to educate me.


Israel has been there since Abraham. That region has been the homeland of the Jewish people from the beginning of recorded time. Yes, they have been removed from those lands and conquered several times, but they keep retuning. Even with them being removed, there has always been a Jewish presence in the Israel/Jerusalem area. The earliest archeological finds are Jewish. It's always been their land.


By that definition, the Native American Indians own the USA? No?


No. The Solutrians wereally here first. They came from Europe.


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No. The Solutrians wereally here first. They came from Europe.


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Originally Posted By: Riley01
Reading comprehension....you defended your anti semetic libs in congress with WATTABOUTS to deflect the truth of the real racist and anti semites which means to me that your cool with it IMHO, Oh and by the way Jerusalem is still the Capitol of Israel cause I seem to recall how crazy you guys went with that situation.

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Lol, you're a piece of work. Clearly reading comprehension isn't your only issue.

Where did I defend any "anti semetic" lib? or any anti-Semitic lib for that matter? Please let us know. Good luck, never happened.

And my libs? Never have been one, never will be.

Deflection, again never happened. Just calling out it happens from both sides and provided many examples.

Jerusalem might be a capital, but not a capitol.

Comprende? No need to answer, we all know you don't.


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No. The Solutrians wereally here first. They came from Europe.


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The spin and the conspiracy rofl




So, the spear points recently found in the east coast aren't real? Damn shame they're over 30000 years old. That mysterious x haplogroup must be imaginary too.


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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
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No. The Solutrians wereally here first. They came from Europe.

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The spin and the conspiracy rofl

So, the spear points recently found in the east coast aren't real? Damn shame they're over 30000 years old. That mysterious x haplogroup must be imaginary too.


Either way - by your argument for Israel it follows that America belongs to someone other than present day Americans.

You post about The Solutrians as if it is undisputed fact. But it's not. That's probably why I have never heard of them before - and why history lessons in the USA omit them. And while wiki is not the be all and end all - this was interesting reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

The Solutrean hypothesis is challenged by large gaps in time between the Clovis and Solutrean eras, a lack of evidence of Solutrean seafaring, lack of specific Solutrean features and tools in Clovis technology, the difficulties of the route and other issues.

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No. The Solutrians wereally here first. They came from Europe.


rofl

The spin and the conspiracy rofl




So, the spear points recently found in the east coast aren't real? Damn shame they're over 30000 years old. That mysterious x haplogroup must be imaginary too.


They're real. But you think spear points get you across a frozen ocean? Most geneticists believe the x2a mutated out of Siberia as it's been found going west to east in America. The Solutrean hypothesis is really only taken seriously in white supremacist and alt-right circles.


But this is all a moot point. You were talking about "recorded [Greek] history" for Israel. Now you want to talk about prehistoric history? In that case, you shouldn't give your lands to native Americans, but to black people as we all originated out of there. Luckily for you, I've heard Swish is a good land lord.

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That's just silly. Artifacts found in this country at least 15000 years before the first Siberian migration are discounted as a white supremacist theory, because those people might have been white?

As for the Jews and all other countries, the land belongs to those that hold it. Always has, always will. History has yet to produce one country not founded on bloodshed, but libs expect it. Again, what silly expectations out of people.

Israel has been documented as the Jewish homeland since the beginning of recorded time. They will always return and take it back no matter how many times they're forced out.

As for American Indians, their own stories say they were brought to and left in their lands. I posted about the Solutrians, as the Siberians were not first. The Solutrian claim was lost with their people.

Science has not determined where the X haplogroup originated yet. It's found in europe, Asia and the Americas, but had been too scattered to pinpoint.


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Yet we stole it from the Native Americans. History will never dispute that.

Then we labeled them as the heathens.


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Yet we stole it from the Native Americans. History will never dispute that.

Then we labeled them as the heathens.


Incorrect. Much of the land was depopulated before most Europeans got here due to diseases. Small pox is the big one. Some estimates are as high as 90% of the indigenous peoples were wiped out before the English started settling.


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We are the ones who brought smallpox here. There were 200 native nation here when we arrived.

How Europeans brought sickness to the New World

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/06/how-europeans-brought-sickness-new-world


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We are the ones who brought smallpox here. There were 200 native nation here when we arrived.

How Europeans brought sickness to the New World

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/06/how-europeans-brought-sickness-new-world


Are you trying to say it was done on purpose? I know in later history it was, but not with early European landings.


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I didn't say it was on purpose to begin with. But even you admit that once it was figured out it was weaponized.

Let's look at how things ended up. We weaponized disease, slaughtered the rest and took their land. As I said, we in turn called them the heathens.


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I didn't say it was on purpose to begin with. But even you admit that once it was figured out it was weaponized.

Let's look at how things ended up. We weaponized disease, slaughtered the rest and took their land. As I said, we in turn called them the heathens.


Once again, you act like it was something new to weaponize a disease. It had already been done by the mongols, the Byzantines, the Romans, and others. It wasn't only American settlers.


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Does that make it any better? The Nazi's used concentration camps to kill the Jews. If someone repeats that, does it make the Germans guilty for their actions? I mean do you have to invent cruelty to be held accountable for executing that cruelty?


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Does that make it any better? The Nazi's used concentration camps to kill the Jews. If someone repeats that, does it make the Germans guilty for their actions? I mean do you have to invent cruelty to be held accountable for executing that cruelty?


How far back in history do you want people held accountable? My family was not here at that time.


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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
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Does that make it any better? The Nazi's used concentration camps to kill the Jews. If someone repeats that, does it make the Germans guilty for their actions? I mean do you have to invent cruelty to be held accountable for executing that cruelty?


How far back in history do you want people held accountable? My family was not here at that time.


You are trying to pick a fight and saying ignorant, combative things just coz.

No one said you or this generation was responsible. What happened was you made a fairly outlandish claim that "Israel" always belonged to the Jews because if you go back far enough there were Jews that lived in that region. . . I pointed out that by the same rationale the USA belongs to Native American Indians .... to which you came up with a hypothesis not commonly given much credit that the Europeans were here before the Native American Indians .... You then somehow spun a theory that the Native American Indian population was decimated before European settlers arrived .... It was pointed out that the smallpox that you mentioned decimating the NAI population was brought here by the Europeans.

So you're losing on all fronts and changing your point each time someone demonstrates why your statements were off base. Now your arguing about you or your family being accountable for cruelty to the NAI ... which wasn't anyone's point and no-one suggested.


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The Indians were our enemy and we defeated them, expanding our turf.

The Jews are our allies, well maybe not the American ones as they continually vote for their oppressors, but the Israeli's and us are bros.

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That's just silly. Artifacts found in this country at least 15000 years before the first Siberian migration are discounted as a white supremacist theory, because those people might have been white?

At no point did I say that it was a "white supremacist theory". Learn to read. I said that it was a theory that's only popular among white supremacists. It's the same thing that's regurgitated on 4chan and Stormfront, not peer reviewed scholarly articles. And it is becoming a conspiracy because people like you who do not know any facts, pontificating talking points.

I agree that the Siberian Migration theory has holes in it and we'd need a lot more information to really find out the truth. However, you're regurgitating false statements. Cactus Hill and Meadowcraft were founded 8,000 years after Bluefish was founded in Washington. Do you think that they sailed across the world to the West Coast? There are even sites in South America that predate those settlements by 6000+ years or 20,000+ years depending on who you ask. We don't have a lot of answers, so we must go by facts, not feelings. So no, the Solultrean people did not come here 15,000 years before others. Even if everything you said was true, it'd be only 1,500 years. That's a gigantic difference.

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As for the Jews and all other countries, the land belongs to those that hold it. Always has, always will. History has yet to produce one country not founded on bloodshed, but libs expect it. Again, what silly expectations out of people.


No one is disputing that. However, you stated that they deserved it because they've been there since "recorded history", which again, isn't true. Only since the recorded history of the Greeks. And then you said they deserve that land because of it. Someone pressed you on your ideology by asking how you feel about Native Americans, and here you are bringing up prehistorical conspiracies of migration pattern to prove that "Europeans" have been there first. Again, not true. We must discuss facts, not argue about our feelings. When you're ready to start talking facts, feel free.

Also, Native Americans were originally given pox blankets from the start of colonization. Read some history from reputable sources. Not 4chan.

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Hitler started off in the socialist party too before he came to realize it was all the Jews fault.


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Hitler started off in the socialist party too before he came to realize it was all the Jews fault.


No he didn't. But he did kill the socialists and communists in Germany during the Holocaust.

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Does that make it any better? The Nazi's used concentration camps to kill the Jews. If someone repeats that, does it make the Germans guilty for their actions? I mean do you have to invent cruelty to be held accountable for executing that cruelty?


How far back in history do you want people held accountable? My family was not here at that time.


You are trying to pick a fight and saying ignorant, combative things just coz.

No one said you or this generation was responsible. What happened was you made a fairly outlandish claim that "Israel" always belonged to the Jews because if you go back far enough there were Jews that lived in that region. . . I pointed out that by the same rationale the USA belongs to Native American Indians .... to which you came up with a hypothesis not commonly given much credit that the Europeans were here before the Native American Indians .... You then somehow spun a theory that the Native American Indian population was decimated before European settlers arrived .... It was pointed out that the smallpox that you mentioned decimating the NAI population was brought here by the Europeans.

So you're losing on all fronts and changing your point each time someone demonstrates why your statements were off base. Now your arguing about you or your family being accountable for cruelty to the NAI ... which wasn't anyone's point and no-one suggested.


Actually, I said that Jews have been in the Israel area since the beginning of recorded time. To me, that solidifies their claim on the land. As for the NAI, they were more than decimated by disease after the first landing of the Spanish. The Spanish even chronicled the empty villages they found as they explored. I speak history. When settlers reached areas like west Virginia, they found mounds, but not people.

Some of the land was empty. Some we bought. Some we conquered. Some of the people integrated into the new society.

As for the Israelis, they moved back to their homeland. The actual war between Palestinians and Jews started long before WWII. Most Palestinians left before the first Arab Israeli war in 1947, as they were told to leave by the Arab League, who thought they'd have an easy victory. They didn't, and the Jews took back their land. The subsequent wars added more land. Most people don't know the Jews asked the Palestinians to stay and join then before 47.


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You make up stuff at a ridiculous level. Well done. I bet you never lose an argument.


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You said, " The Solutrean hypothesis is really only taken seriously in white supremacist and alt-right circles."

I read that the artifacts were about 30000 years old, which precedes the Bering land bridge by 15000 years.

Native Americans were not given pox blankets until much later. The disease ran rampant through their communities, and preceded the Spanish for years.

Also, the Jews were in Israeli long before the Greeks. As I said before, the dome of the rock is built over the spot where Jews and Muslims believe Abraham was to sacrifice Issac. Abraham is the founder of both those peoples.


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You make up stuff at a ridiculous level. Well done. I bet you never lose an argument.


You should read more.


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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
How far back in history do you want people held accountable? My family was not here at that time.


That doesn't change or re-write history.


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Jewish Massachusetts teens save man with swastika tattoo from drowning, police say

A group of Jewish teenage boys who helped save a man with a swastika tattoo from drowning in a Massachusetts reservoir last week want to make sure he knows who his rescuers are.

The four teens spotted the unidentified man Thursday night as they walked near the Chestnut Hill Reservoir, around 10 miles west of Boston, and quickly alerted police.

"As I approached them, two of them ran up to my car," Boston College Police Officer Carl Mascioli told WBTS. "There was a body in the water."

The officer arrived to find the man motionless in the water and, while pulling him onto dry land, Mascioli said he noticed a swastika tattoo on his hand.

"I kind of let the gentlemen know sometimes some deeds have a funny way of turning around," Mascioli said. "Their good deed had a little bit of a twist to it."

The students, who were not identified, told Mascioli they didn't have any regrets about their role in the rescue -- but they said they wanted the man found in the reservoir to know "it was four young Jewish boys that helped save his life."

"A good deed is a good deed and that's part of life," Mascioli said. "We should be helping everybody out."

Authorities said the man is expected to make a full recovery.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-jewish-boys-helped-save-man-with-swastika-tattoo

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Trigger post. Well done. Not biting,

Really don’t get all the hate for Jews for centuries. Never have. Never got it. Never will.

But it’s not surprising to me that trump and his sheep will successfully place the blame of the world oppression of the Jews directly on the Democrats with the lies that his flock love to gobble up and regurgitate.



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Telling you I burnt my toast this morning would trigger you. rolleyes

It is a nice story so take it for what its worth.

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Good for these kids for doing the right thing as human beings.

Good for these kids for wanting to make darn sure this POS knows who they are and that they are good human beings.


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