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Actually, you brought this to our attention quite awhile ago.

When was this, exactly?

I just searched my posts referencing the word "podcast" and nothing of the sort came up.

I even did a search of anything I posted with "Sashi" in it to see if it referencing a podcast. I didn't find anything.

The only thing I saw was the Sloan Conference which provides more credence to the assumption CHS had.

But if there is something else.....

Fwiw, he didn't even show up at Sloan. He stood Mina Kimes up.

I know he didn't show but wasn't sure of the reason.

I don't think a reason was given. He recently gave an interview to Peter King for MMQB, so menzas can go "watch" that article.

I really like Freddie Kitchens because of his unique perspective and candid nature. Personality wise, he reminds me a lot of Greg Popovich, who understands his sport is not a religion, but a job. And as people, they know that they need to work hard as hard as they can at their job, but also that their job is not their life. Pop is very famous for having conversations about real life with his staff and players, very rarely talking about basketball. Truly connecting with his players. In 1997 when the Spurs selected Tim Duncan, Pop went down to the Virgin Islands (where Tim Duncan is from), to interview him. Tim Duncan says they talked for 3 days about life and swimming, never once talking about basketball. Pop liked what he saw, and the rest is history. Together they helped solidify a great team into a dynasty, by doing their job and not turning it into a spectacle like other teams and players have done.

I liked Freddie Kitchens for his offense, I've made that very clear over the past few months. But what really won me over with Freddie was when, I think MKC asked him, "How will you handle the pressure of coaching?" and he responded, "This isn't pressure. This is fun. Pressure is being unemployed at 23 with a new born child." I've really enjoyed his grounded perspective of the sport and of life over the past few months. It's extremely refreshing to both this team, city and the sport itself. Where we've crossed the threshold from fandoms to fanatics, it's appealing to see the leader of this team, approach the game in the way that he has.

I don't mean to rant, I just want to get the thread back on track.

For me, I feel that Freddie and Dorsey are in lock step. Which is different from being told that they are when in fact they actually are not. If we are ever told that the GM and HC are in luck step that probably means they are not.

At least we now know the REAL REASON U don’t answer my question ... cause u can’t ... ...

MEMPHIS i just wanna make sure i understand what your saying here ....

- i made the podcast thing up after the fact

EVEN THOUGH

- u confirmed he was suppose to be on an analytics podcast that i believe CHS said he blew off ...

AND

- after u acted like u had no clue what i was talking about i said it was an analytics podcast witch U confirmed and gave CHS the link too ... the Sashster then apparently blew the podcast off ... i believe thats what CHS is reffering to ...

Thats your story huh .... i made it up ... dang ... talk about getting lucky ... on my way to get lottery tickets now type lucky ... i made it up yet the facts u and chs confirmed yourselves BACK UP EVERYTHING I SAID .... i love it when that happens ... *L* ...

Out of all the things i could have made up i decided to go with sashi doing a podcast about analytics i went with something that turned out to be true ... what a coincidence ... *L* ...

Go ahead .... u can get the last word in I’ve all ready wasted to much time on u playing the victim card and altering history ...

Enjoy dawg ...

I always thought you kind of had to have one leader in football operations. That doesn't necessarily mean the powers have to be divvied up a certain way from a contractual sense, just that people know there is one person in charge. It can be the head coach or general manager-- I've seen both work. Here that is obviously John Dorsey.

That's not to diminish what Freddie is capable of but he's not winning a power struggle with Dorsey anytime soon (not that it would be in his character to begin with.) We've seen too many times how that kind of thing can pull a team apart.

I think it's a healthy organizational dynamic we have going on here. They will obviously work together in many respects but Dorsey finds the players and Kitchens coaches them up.

You are wrong starting here and then your post (in fact, all of your others posts regarding "Sashi's podcasts") falls apart even further. I'll leave it at that.

That's what I mean, that they are working together. Dorsey is the head of this operation. And I don't think Kitchens is going to be seeking additional power as we have seen in the past. I think he's entirely content being just the head coach.

And they obviously have meetings to discuss the state of affairs as I'm sure is and should be customary for most or all teams. Evidence of this was when we were discussing the OBJ trade with the giants while a meeting was going on between Kitchens and Dorsey.

Lock step to me means they have a common goal and share similar thoughts on how to reach said goal. It's the only way this can work.

Sloan Sports Conference isn't a podcast, it's a 3 day conference ran by the MIT Business school that happens once a year for the past decade. It's a very prestigious event and not a podcast.

I honestly had no idea what you've been talking about. I also don't know how the podcast Memphis linked me to connects to Sashi "Off the Charts Football" ran by the head of Football Outsiders. I haven't had a chance to listen due to listening to Joe Rogan, Against The Rules and Keep It. But I do look forward to listening to it.

Finally, it's Sashi'ites. If you forget this again I'll be forced to declare eternal jihued against you.

Agreed. To me, I get the impression that Freddie belongs on the field, not in a suit and tie...

It's Jihad.

It seems that Diam needs constant reminding...

There are no easy puns between Cleveland and my limited knowledge of Arabic. Please just let me have this.

Even Freddie's introductory press conference was more sports jacket than suit.

Personally I'm more of a fan of the Dawg Pound hoodie myself, bonus points for some kind of Browns or Indians hat.

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Now there’s an understatement ...

Freddie is very comfie in his skin and is right where he wants to be ... its one of the reasons he has a shot to be a pretty darn good HC ...

Another aligning of the stars for us .... HC who grinded it out in obscurity and now gets his shot and he’s got ALL THE TALENT IN THE WORLD ....

Freddie ... if u fail (and i have NO DOUBT he will not fail and will be here a long time ... and I’VE NEVER EVER SAID THAT about any coach ... like that matters ... *LOL* )

Anyhow, if u fail ... u have no one to blame but yourself dawg ... u got loads of talent and gm that believes in U .... you’ll get plenty of time but honestly ... barring injury, u shouldn’t need much at all if any ... if it does happen this year .... in an ironic twist of fate u will then be deemed an OVERNIGHT SUCCESS ... *L* ...

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo .....

You should have capitalized the 'H' to increase the obviousness, lol

LOl….I don't have any idea what the heck you are talking about.

It's a past tense thing. Bright future. Terrible past. Focus.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Yeah, the constant reminders of Sashi and Hue are so productive. Hell, fans around here will post anything TRich still does. It's a plague not a blessing.

I can see both sides of it. On one hand I would agree that the Hue/Sashi debates just never seem to die and invade too many threads.

On the other hand, Hue was the coach of this team as recently as six months ago! If you want to, for example, discuss Baker Mayfield's development, how do you not at least acknowledge training camp and the first several weeks of last season, and the role coaching played in that?

Some things really do involve Hue and/or Sashi, such as how we have so much cap space despite having the highest active cap hit in the league.

Or maybe somebody wants to use an example of some overriding point, such as the importance of coaching, or getting players reps in practice. Ballpeen's point about establishing the running game. Why do we have to go out of our way to avoid mentioning Hue, and the examples he gives? To avoid offending you and Vers?

You can learn from what others have done. I constantly bring up examples of what other teams are doing, or have done in the past. I particularly like to use New England as an example because a lot of what they do just makes sense. On the flip side, you can also learn from incompetence. Usually that means learning what not to do, which is also valuable.

Anyway, back to the original point, I get that we have new people in charge. It's a new (off)season, the Browns are loaded and poised for a big year. The constant Hue/Sashi debates get old and annoying after a while, though they're still not nearly as annoying as the posters who try to dictate what can and cannot be talked about.

I haven't seen these TRich posts but I'm sure they're around here somewhere. But hey, you can learn something from him too.

No burst, worse vision, of course he flopped in the NFL.

Well the same thing could be said about mentioning Sashi and the disgusting level of talent we had under his leadership. But at this juncture what does any of that accomplish? And as you well know, that brings as much ire or more than bringing up Hue. The fact is we had huge cap space and high, multiple draft pick when Sashi got here.

I've never tried to dictate what people talk about. But I certainly point out who seems persistent on living in the past rather than look forward to what certainly looks to be a bright future. It serves no purpose but to aggravate the situation in what could be a wonderful experience we all wish to see moving forward. So people can post anything they like. Just like people can respond to it any way they like.

Life is a two way street.

There's always going to be bickering on here. There is on every team message board, even teams like the Pats, Warriors, etc. At the end of the day, you just have to realize that none of this stuff is really that important. Sports themselves are entertainment and people like you and I are completely irrelevant to the results. Might as well have fun with it, joke around a little bit, don't get too upset when somebody provokes a fight or keeps beating a dead horse.

There will always be one, you know. Hue is an all-timer and if you don't hear about him on here, you might catch a quip from a friend, or on talk radio, ESPN, etc. Might as well learn to laugh it off and not get too stressed out about it.

I agree that this could be a wonderful experience going forward. Looking forward to it. I'm sure once we start winning a bunch of games we will have nothing to disagree about, ever.

j/c:

So, about Dorsey and Freddie...

Once this team comes out winning a bunch of games there will be nothing to disagree about ever?

Well what if this team comes out flat and losing right out of the gate, the finger pointing will be everywhere with this much paper talent and the discord would probably make things worse.

So!

Dorsey and Freddie have the most pressure on their shoulders to actually get this group in the building, so to speak, and Playing as a team... as well as this talent suggests.

Wilks too.

My only concern about Freddie/Dorsey is Freddie's health. That was a very frightening episode he had at Arizona.

The more Baker "drops back"(he will be in the shotgun) the more punishment he will take. If we can get Chubb 25 carries a game then D's will have a really hard time playing the Browns. You cover the pass we pound the rock, you come up to guard the run we play action over your heads... A really good run/pass balance is the BEST kind of offense. KC was kicking everyone's butt until they lost their Hunt... The Rams were damned good until Gurle got hurt. I am concerned that we are switching to the air raid offense and will be in shotgun every down now... that makes it damned difficult to run the ball. What happens in Nov and Dec when running the ball in the AFC North is pretty important? We don't play in domes. Our offense last year had a pretty good balance. I liked that. Changing it seems foolish.

Yeah as if Chubb does get 24 carries a game. Then really give Baker a breather for crying out loud.

Freddie Kitchens donated $1000 to a local fan fundraising for his fight against cancer.

https://www.gofundme.com/matthew-dixon039s-rare-bone-cancer

A link to the fan's donation page.

Like I said earlier, I really like Freddie and very little of it has to do with Football.

You don't know if that's the case. Freddie had Baker under center, I can't see him abandoning it. I think we need to wait and see what happens before we make any kind of judgements on what the offense will be.

I’ll be stunned if we don’t mix it up .... especially with Bake in year 2 and 13 starts and 13.5 games under his belt ... we’ll be able to do a lot more with him .... some no huddle mixed in also ....

This O will be a combo of Freddie/Todd and as Todd said in his presser everyone on the staff will have input and have things they brought to the table that make sense incorporated in ...

All the oars rowing in the same direction ... the exact opposite of what we had with the dysfunctional duo ....

This is DIFFERENT and its gonna be FUN ... LOTS AND LOTS OF FUN ....

LETS GOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo ...

Dorsey knows how to win over fans and is doing all the right things. Freddie is the same thing.

they will win the hearts and soul of this city if they go 9-7 or 10-6 this year.

We are talking like late 80's Browns love. Songs being made about them on the radio and everything.