DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Abortion Battle part 2

There are 36 couples waiting to adopt a baby vs every woman willing to put her baby up for adoption.

Gee just kill them all rather than let a family who loves them raise them.

And that it's quite possible for a man to conceive hundreds of children a year, while a woman can only have a single birth every ten months or so.

Yet we are targeting the women.

[quote]It’s an inconvenience to society as a whole.[/quote}

LMFAO your admitting that the reason you approve of abortion if for convience.

Nope I am targeting anybody who thinks it's OK to murder babies. Please let me know when you find the first man who aborted a baby.

Without a man there would be no baby. Equal accountability.

If a man denies a child or fails to support a child castration is the answer.

And? This country struggles looking after those already here.
To you adding to the problem is just fine. I’m more pragmatic.

I’m no fan of abortion. I think people need to be careful and responsible. But when that doesn’t occur I’m all for choice. Do I think it should be used as a method of ‘birth control’? No. I’m all for IUDs for free for any woman that has an abortion. Stop the second one before it starts. Hell. I’m all for free IUDs for any woman that wants one. Fee vasectomies for all men over 18 too. Until that happens..
I’m all for choice.

Did I say castrate the woman so she can never again get pregnant? Oh Hell no so why are you saying the same thing about men.?

[quote]I’m no fan of abortion. I think people need to be careful and responsible. But when that doesn’t occur I’m all for choice. Do I think it should be used as a method of ‘birth control’? No. I’m all for IUDs for free for any woman that has an abortion. Stop the second one before it starts. Hell. I’m all for free IUDs for any woman that wants one. Fee vasectomies for all men over 18 too. Until that/quote]

We agree up,too a point. Just remember I love you bro even if we disagree. So many people on both sides of every debate takes things personal and thing we all hate each other. when I feel nothing could be further than the truth. We all love each other we just don't agree on some things

Dude...



...what the Hell, man?

I didn't read this thread because I hate the extremist points of view that is always at the heart of such a debate, but I clicked on it just to read your response because I never viewed you as an extremist.

And......

You are the last person I thought would use an argument about child support in the abortion debate. What does being a deadbeat dad have to do with her right to control her own body? Shame on your GM.

I wish they could give IQ test in the womb and deal with our stupid people problem that way.

Sorry, Dawg- it doesn't work that way.
Darwin laid out the conditions and timeline 160 years ago.

I prefer Natural Selection.
However glacial the pace, it's more honest than Eugenics, which is kinda what you're implying here-

I know you were making light in your post, but I'm also smart enough to know that I ain't smart enough to determine who should and should not be here, knowhatimsayin?

Life is life. You snuff out life then your a killer. Babies are the most innocent and precious things alive. To me you have to be pretty depraved to want to smash their cute skulls in, which they do in abortions past 5 months to make sure they die before being ripped from the womb.

Outside of rape the choice a woman has is the same as a man's. You choose to have sex. That is the choice you made with your body. The baby is innocent and should not be murdered for your mere convenience.

Don't want babies? Then keep your clothes on. Enough with the murder already.

Yet it nearly happened. It’s only a matter of time. Pro birth’rs don’t really care about womens rights and the law on the books. They have an undying need to control the women’s body. It’s been proven over and over. They’ll give a rapist less punishment and protect their freedoms more. Men controlling women once again.

So your 14 year old daughter gets gang raped and becomes pregnant. You make her keep it?

A heroin addict strung out and living on the street gets knocked up by a dope dealer, are you saying that kid is better off born addicted to a mother that won't take care of it than to not be born at all?

Two kids with promising futures mess around one night and she ends up pregnant. Without considerable help they can't raise the child and go to school... They should just sacrifice their future over YOUR biological religious beliefs?

You guys are bordering inquisition level zealotry with this stuff. It's a clump of cells until it's not. The current US abortion laws are fair and if anything need legislation protecting them from you guys.

We regulate abortion for the same reason we regulate beer and cigarettes and soon cannabis: because you can't legislate behavior away.

If you believe you can legislate away abortion you must believe you can legislate away 1st degree murder. If you believe that to be true I need to sell you some land

So, why try new laws to regulate guns?

It appears you don't know the difference in the terms legislate and regulate. Read up on them and come back.

Nice try, but an epic fail. Legislate: make laws. Regulate: to govern or direct according to rule.



Some on here believe they can legislate anti gun laws which would, somehow, in their minds, eliminate shootings.

I think I have that correct.

People that try to regulate guns are missing the boat.

Guns, as the saying goes, don't kill people, people kill people... I get it.

But the truth of the matter is, just about anyone can get a gun.. People with Mental illness is a big problem for me for one thing.

I've said this before,,, I'm not a gun guy.. But I like the idea I can go buy one if I wish to do so.

I'll never understand why anyone needs an Auto or SemiAuto rifle. I doubt anyone can convince me of why.

But then again, I want a car that has 1000 HP... That makes little to no sense as well..

As for abortions, I have an idea.. Why not make the men that father children pay,,, I mean, REALLY pay. If they don't, they must be "FIXED" so they can't do it again.

DO you think those old white guys in congress would go for that LOL

Any way, I'm a 67 year old man, I don't feel as if I have the right to tell a woman what the hell to do with her body.

You were so close, closer than you've been for awhile, but still so far away.

Let me try to put it in some way you can understand.

You can't legislate "behavior": murder, abortion, drug use
But you can regulate it by getting rid of guns, banning medical professionals from offering abortions, waging a war against drug dealers.

None of the aformentioned moves will eradicate murder, abortion or drug use, but they will limit them by regulating them.

Biden campaign confirms he supports controversial abortion rule

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/44...ion-rule-report

His poll numbers will drop like a rock if this gets hammered like it should. He supports the ban on federal money being used by any entity that is connected to abortions. That's a far right rule, Biden will pay a price.

White House ends fetal tissue research by federal scientists

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/...ntists-63506968

Anti abortion pro lifers stealing hope from children with childhood cancers... am I the only one that sees the irony/hypocrisy?

Liberals move to purge pro-life Dems from party, amid furor over abortion laws

The left flank of the Democratic Party is ramping up efforts to target and isolate pro-life Democrats, as the party base mobilizes over restrictive new abortion laws being passed in states across the country.

While the party once tolerated both pro-life and pro-choice Democrats inside the tent, those with pro-life views are being told they aren’t welcome anymore.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/liberal...r-abortion-laws

Tow the line or get out!

Make Democrats Republican Again

Well you heard it on Fox News so it must be true...

This must be a quote from a Trump supporter.

Biden Reverses Position, Rejects Hyde Amendment, Cites Attacks On Abortion Access

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/06/730515910...abortion-access


That didn't take long.

Biden is a stupid John Kerry who thinks he's Obama. I can't wait to watch him run his campaign into the ground. Hopefully he doesn't elect Trump.

I wouldn't have stood a chance.

And life would have gone in for the rest of us, unaware.

Oh far from it. It would be some of those left wing radicals they have running that would do that.

What some people fail to ever admit is that it's actually independent voters that decide elections and it's the heartland you have to win. States like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan. Moderate people. You won't win that with, "We're going to give everyone free stuff" candidate of your choice.

The best way to give away the election in 2020 is trying to cram some left wing liberal down the nations throat.

You're already going to win New York and California. Stop trying to pander even further to the fringe.

This is a bad take. Historically "Independent voters" vote for Republicans over 60% of the time. The demographics have only recently began to shift with millennials, pushing a lot of it to the left. But yes, the left needs to appeal to the rust belt where healthcare, higher education, joblessness and drug abuse run rampant. Joe Biden, Romney and Hillary Clinton need to stop appealing to New York bankers.

Dems need to focus on non voters (40% of Americans) rather than focusing on moderates.

Millennials by far vote less than any other demographic. The 2016 election was decided by a little over 77,000 votes in three moderate states. It seems some have learned nothing from that experience.

So, you're for eugenics? This shoils take care of liberals.

So you agree that catering to Independents is a losing strategy. Instead Democrats should focus on states that elected Sherrod Brown, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar.

Classic Con.

Here I thought you mixing up north and south Korea was the dumbest thing you'd say today.

You mention districts, not states. We both no that holds no water.

Sherrod Brown is a senator who is the vital piece of the Democrats' political strategy in Ohio. He's been passed over for VP, because they think that once he's out of the Senate, they don't think they will be able to get back in.

But yes, the other two are in districts in states where Trump has a large support group.