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Yeah, but he hit him. I don't think anyone cares about the cursing.

This is all pretty much Bull and it's the definition of what the word semantics is about.

Over the course of the last 5 minutes, I went from being totally, "ok, it's stupid, the players don't really have a point and shouldn't be offenede"

TO ENTIRELY THE OPPISITE!

First! halfway down the thread, I realized, We should stop calling the... whatevers, a "TEAM" , because it makes me think of teams of horses or teams of oxen, and that, well sounds like players are being put in the ... whatdayacall those things that horses use to pull wagons with,

Good God, can we just all treat each other with RESPECT, ( I mean, honestly I don't know what words to use now, these people are Men!

and Heros of entertainment,

2ndly. Can anyone stand up and say, I mean, I just read bout' 5 posts in a row saying "minority owner" referring to whats his name,

how is that not offensive???

I mean for years the whole media news cycle has refered to one segment of our population as minorities, and these are largely the group of "Men" we are talking about, (I mean NBA players)

So if you call an old white guy a "minority owner", repeatedly in referring to an NBA team,

wherein the NBA players (Men) ( sorry- Men,or Women! sigh) --- are 80% to 90%, seemingly, of African American descent;

and for several years the mass media has refered to African Americans,(and other groups), as minorities, and 200, (156), years ago Slavery was going on and there was a whole war about it,

than the whole thing is just stupid! and it is offensive to call anyone an "owner', and I especially feel it's offensive to repeatedly call someone a(an) "Minority owner",

Maybe just stop calling anybody anything, he's got a name, maybe just call this guy by his name, if you have to say why you're talking about someone, maybe say he "bought into the team" .

Doh! I can't say team, done

This story is the literal definition of whiny snowflakes.

Lmao

Can I talk about the Mark Stevens thing on this thread now?

I only guess at the name of this Person who shoved the NBA player on the court, that I've seen the video of in the past 13 minutes, and I draw only one conclusion.

They got to get rid of court side seating, the end!

If I'm sitting in a group of 3-4 rows of chairs and someone comes (stage diving) into .. like HALF OF US, and he's Ya I'm going to react,

but then, personally I've avoided courtside, young person football sideline, ringside, (boxing or wres-wrastling), and stage front seating My Entier Life, because of this potential.

This wouldn't happen in tennis, because there's no court side seating.

It's actually extremely offensive to write his name, as it singles himself out. It's politically correct to refer to him as 'minority owner'.

I’m still trying to figure out how referring to them as “owner” is somehow associated with slavery YET ....

calling them “minority owner” isn’t worse ... i see that and i think of someone owning a minority witch (did i spell it right .. *L*) is what slavery actually was ... *scratches head* ...

Yes, it seems that by some they have no clue on the fact there's more than one way to use the word.

This is what good trolling looks like

Slavery was owning black witches?

Were they from Jamaica or Haiti? lol

Well, there wouldn't be a NBA or NFL or whatever if someone didn't invest large sums of money and pay the players and try to sell tickets to people who wanted to watch them play.

It's kind of a which came first, the chicken or the egg type deal.

I think it took both for everything to work. No need to diminish either side of the coin.

Well you can't have a business without the product. You can't own a franchise that doesn't have players.

going in circles now

I don't know. I think one has to remember that in the beginning players didn't make a lot of money and you didn't need to be extremely wealthy to own a team. That was the structure on which the NFL was built. As late as 1970 the average NFL contract was 23k.

So it wasn't actually huge wealth that built the sport at all. It was the players and the fans that helped elevate the popularity of the sport. Without that popularity, the TV networks would never have signed deals to infuse the NFL with the glaring amount of money we see in the sport today.

So while I agree that many owners took a risk by investing in NFL teams, that risk wasn't that huge as the sport was being built.

It was the players playing the game that made the game popular and bought about the huge amount of money that is involved today. I guess if you want to add another dimension, the media making nicknames and glorifying the players to the public also played quite a role in it. It was also the personality of the players such as Ken "The Snake" Stabler, Joe "Willy" Namath and the like that made NFL players seem larger than life that built the NFL mystique.

but will it fly high like a bird up in the sky?

Ladies and gentlemen - Billy Preston!.

I can hear someone with a cockney accent, "Right Gov, I'll get right on it."

That is idiotic.

Actually, it's moronic.

In truth, it is so absolutely stupid that there truly is no word for it.

I hate political correctness.

I don't hate it, but there is a line.

For example, I don't think we should call a person who struggles academically a "retard." That isn't nice.

I don't think we should suggest that someone who dresses predicatively is "asking for it."

However, this particular example is one that crosses the line. There is no slave reference there. The dumb asses that come up w/ideas like this only succeed in further alienating the same folks they are trying to gain acceptance from.

Pick and choose, brahs.

I see Adam Silver isnt any brighter than AOC.

Of course there are lines one should not cross. I've eliminated the word 'retard' from my vocabulary (some of that because there was , or still is, a parent of a special needs child here on dawgtalkers, who took exception to that term. It was a few years ago, but I haven't forgotten it).

It's just that, in the last few years, PC is getting warped. It's swung too far to the left. I mean, you can't say anything these days without someone being offended.

This just reinforces my decision to stop caring about the NBA years ago.

I have noticed this story is not on NBA.com or ESPN, neither on their website or on their news shows earlier. Are they trying to sweep this under the rug due to embarassment. Because a huge giant drama should be unleashed.

And its on the other news networks.

J/C

This is dumb. No one assumes the Owner owns the players, they own the team - which the players are employees of. They work for the owner of the team, no one in their right mind thinks they are owned by the owner.

This is the without a doubt the most obscene, idiotic, take anyone could have.

It's ridiculous but whatever.

j/c

They should call them the "the chiefs" oh wait.....

There's a whole bunch of people who wake up and want to see something racist. They want to get up on their soapbox and point down at the rest of us, as if they're somehow righteous. I see it every single day on social media.

Why stop at pro sports.

Have a job? That workplace is most likely owned by someone. Why's that ok?

Every day, I get a little closer to shutting down all of my social media. It's just awful. Political knobs going at it, people cherry picking articles which slant their opinion on just about anything. Dramatic posts, people trying to provoke others into offending people, etc..

I'm so glad I'm pretty busy during my workday that I don't have to look at all this.

Maybe this will help or maybe not, by letting PC culture upset you, you're doing the same thing they're doing, getting worked up over nothing. I'm trying to let this stuff roll off my back. If they want to rename "owner" to "team steward" or "team whatever", meh, I got bigger problems on my plate.

As do we all, but sometimes the absurdity deserves to be flagged.

I think the PC thing these days is to call everyone an associate.

You're not wrong, but it just sucks, because social media used to be fun. Now it's forum for people to scream at each other.

It's like two people meeting in the real world, and having that awkward moment when they both find out that they are each on the opposite side of the spectrum of any political or social topic, only it's every single moment of every single day, and the kicker is, it's on the internet, so everyone gets to sound like a tough guy. Ahhhhh good old social media!

Actually Punch, I disagree.

Political Correctness is an exploitation of our (or society's) desire to be polite and or respectful as a means to control us.

Now when you say you just let it roll off your back...Do you mean that you will continue to say and act as you would before? Or will you commit to the political correctness and just not let it bother you??? There is a difference...

You know when I was a kid we used to say "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me." What happened to that kind of thinking? There is more to this statement then just a kids rhyme. This says that WE have the power over what affects us. We have done a complete flip in thinking...we have gone to "we have the power over what affects us"...to "Words Hurt" and and not having any control over ourselves...

I am sorry to inform people...but "WORDS DO NOT HURT". If you allow words to hurt, it is YOU who is weak. Instead of putting the weakness on the insecurities of those who made the comments...We have VICTIMIZED ourselves and taken away our own strength. Words,much the same as books, should never be banned. There are no good or bad words. Words do not hurt. Only we can give power to them.

And that people use politeness as a weapon against us??? I think it despicable. And I have never been one for allowing myself to be controlled by another. Now on the by and large, I am a rule follower...My wife emphasizes that I was an Eagle Scout by saying "You are such a Boy Scout" whenever I slow down and stop at yellow lights or for any number of "rule following". Don't mistake this as being controlled...these are my choices as a part of my own ethos...Not because someone somewhere decided I should act in a specific manner.

We have brains and we decide not to use them. Instead of trying to determine the intent of a person's words...we decide to focus instead, on a single word and imply our own intentions upon it.

So if PC culture "upsets me" It is not the words that upset me...it is the attempt at control. It is the attempt at making me weak. That is an attack. And that is not something I can let "roll off my back"

Hmmm.... I wonder if this legally means that they do not actually OWN the teams and they are thus open to be claimed?


I'm betting that some creative attorney can find a way to make this argument hold.

No, because the court is going to look at the team purchase documents from a legal perspective and not care about people's feelings.

If I owned a business worth $2-3 billion, I'd resent anybody thinking they could tell me what my title needs to be... especially to appease a contract employee.

I see this all as a two edged sword. Political correctness is one side of that sword. It's gone way too far and some people seem to be constantly looking for some excuse to be offended and build a mountain out of a mole hill.

The other edge of that sword is how people say that they refuse to be politically correct and use that as an excuse to be rude and call people names. Just generally be a nasty human being to anyone who disagrees with them.

There was a time when people were eloquent and polite enough to be able to disagree without using an excuse to be rude and nasty. And there was a time when people could disagree without looking for an excuse to be offended.

Neither side is innocent here.

While I do agree some people are anti PC just so they can be rude...they are just as bad as those trying to use PC as a weapon of control. Because they use being anti PC as a weapon...

And let's not mince words...Political Correctness has nothing to do with being polite and everything to do with control. And that is what I have an issue with. So I don't think it is as easy as 2 sides...

I mean, do you think I am trying to use beig anti-PC as a weapon??? Do you think I am trying to be "rude"? I would hope not. I would assume you can derive some sort of intent from my writing. And it is intent that determines the rudeness. A three year old calling me fat isn't about rudeness...they are making an observation...not trying to hurt my feelings...sure it is not graceful nor tactful...but I can derive no ill will on behalf of the 3 yr old...And even if there is ill will....I decide how it affects me...not them.

I am not sure what time you are speaking to. I think rudeness and victimization are as old as time. We do go in some cycles. There are times when politeness reigns, like Victorian times...But even then, that politeness then is used to insult. It becomes fashionable to try to insult without sounding like they are insulting....Think of all the comedy sketches about women who don't like each other throwing all the left handed compliments. Eventually you don't even try to hide the insult and it becomes fashionable to have a fast wit and see who can insult the other quicker, better, and counter other insults...This was HUGE in France not far from Victorian age...and we can even see it NOW. Look at all the Rap Battles and have you ever seen Wild n Out??? Eventually people get sick of that and try to work toward politeness again...But I am not sure we have ever been in a time that you speak of...Perhaps in isolated pockets of family or small towns, etc. but not as a society...JMO

I was simply pointing out that on both sides, by some people, each can be used as a tool.

I agree with a lot of what you said. The only difference we really have is that in our nation 40 years ago, being rude and using silly school yard bully tactics was considered rude and a weakness of character. Now it can help you get elected president.

So to say that control is an issue here, I think the control side of things is certainly held by the anti PC crowd using it as an excuse to be rude.

Not everyone in the anti PC crowd acts that way, but when looking at the results, they certainly support such actions.