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Him choosing to sign there seems to have had little to do with the Browns or Cleveland. Article makes him sound salty towards Tampa Bay.

He's dead to me.


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yep .. It wasn't about money .. It wasn't about making the Playoffs .. It was about making Tampa Bay pay for releasing him and signing Suh.

Dorsey can only sign so many studs an off-season...:)

Mr. Clem

Did u miss this reply in regards to how good we are even though he would have been a huge pick up for us ...it was posted after my reply to Memphis ...

IMO we still have more talent than anyone else in the league ... adding him would have widened that gap not created it ...

Like i been saying since last Sept ,,,, this is DIFFERENT ...

I think this was a BIG LOSS in that he would have made us a better football team ... like i said to bone ... u can never have enough good players and he’s still one of them ... but in no way does not signing him change the fact that IMO we have the most talented team in the league ...

3 high quality DT’s are better than 2 .... and 5 high quality DL man are better than 4 ... theres that math again ... *L* ...

Turns out with your analogy u were just being mean ... *L*

j/c:

This is interesting.....

As I said before, he is now just another guy to beat. Next.

I'm not so sure. Most people seemed convinced it was a done deal until McCoy's visit with Carolina. I think the odds changed after the Buccs signed Suh - who'll be wearing McCoy's number, and the Panthers were able to leverage playing the Buccaneers twice.

Frankly, that seems to be what made his decision.

It cannot be money - the deal he's being offered is one the Browns and Ravens both would have happily matched. It cannot be winning as I'd argue the Browns and Ravens are both more likely to win the AFC North than the Panthers are to overcome the Saints and Falcons.

There are a lot of factors that we cannot know, to be sure, but I think the success of his visit with the Browns was overshadowed by the urge to get back at his former team.

I'm not bothered by not signing him. I love the duo of Richardson and Ogunjobi. Some nice depth options between Coley, Davis and Lawrence. But I do think the early indication was that he was almost certain to join the Browns.

He'd be signed and here right now if OBJ hadn't skipped OTA's and made a mockery of everything.

Also, the wipers on my car were acting up today... Damn You, OBJ!!!

I didn't know being in the same division was considered leverage. I thought everyone in the same division played each other twice.

He's dead to me to. Can we close this thread now?

I honestly can't figure out what you're trying to do with this post. Either the point that the Panthers are the only team to offer McCoy the opportunity to play his former team twice was lost on you, or you just literally think it needs to be pointed out that all teams play divisional opponents twice.

He knew the Panthers played the Bucs twice a year when he went there. It wasn't something the Panthers used as leverage.

Maybe the Panthers really played up that angle during the visit?

He beat his brains out weekly to get to FA and he did what he earned...tested the waters. Have a good time in Carolina. I personally dont see choosing some sort of revenge over winning and money but hey, he earned the choice. Moving forward...

As I said, you never know what motivates a guy...he wanted to stay in conference and division to play against the Bucs.

Better his division than ours. (if not with us)

Would have been a nice signing, but I'm not really disappointed.

J/c...

Freddie on McCoy

According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, McCoy gets just $4 million guaranteed, although he can make up to $10.25 million if he hits all his incentives.

In addition to the signing bonus, the deal includes a $3 million base salary, $500,000 roster bonus at training camp, a total of up to $500,000 in roster bonuses for being active on game days, a $500,000 bonus if he records 6.5 sacks and a $1.5 million bonus if he records eight sacks, plus $250,000 if he makes the Pro Bowl and $250,000 if the Panthers make the playoffs.

There’s no reason McCoy shouldn’t get the $3 million base salary and $500,000 roster bonus, which will bring him up to $7.5 million on the season, but the incentives will be tough to reach. If McCoy were to have an identical season in 2019 to the one he had in 2018, he’d make $437,500 in per-gram roster bonuses (for playing 14 out of 16 games), and hit none of the incentives: Last year McCoy didn’t get 6.5 sacks, didn’t make the Pro Bowl and the Panthers didn’t make the playoffs.

McCoy and his agent may have been looking for a way to spin the contract as comparable to or even better than the deal that Ndamukong Suh got to replace McCoy in Tampa, and by structuring it so that he can make up to $10.25 million, they’re allowing for the possibility that McCoy will make more than the $10 million maximum Suh can make this season.

The difference, however, is that Suh gets a $9.25 million salary, and only $750,000 of his pay is in incentives. McCoy is unlikely to hit enough incentives to reach $9.25 million. If McCoy were to have the same season this year that he had last year, he’d make just under $8 million — meaning getting cut by the Bucs will cost him more than $5 million.

I agree with how the Browns were thinking.. I don't understand the one year pay a guy a bunch.. It might work, but seems it never did in Cleveland. I'd rather see guys who want to be there for at least 3 -4 years to help with creating a winning culture and to help the young ones coming up to learn that

Imo a 31 yr old who is going to be there for one year isn't a helpful way of bringing up a young team whose players may be part of something for several at least.

As others stated, McCoy was a luxury. Great if we get him, not a disaster if we don't.We've beefed up our DL already, let's see what the younger guys can do on the interior.

I'm a bit surprised we apparently did not offer at least this much. Our DTs were abused in the running game last year and Richardson is better known as a pass rusher than a run stopper. I know people love Ogunjobi and rightfully so, but he has a hard time getting off of blocks in the run game. We could have used McCoy.

I thought we would have offered him a 2 year deal that was front loaded and would have allowed the club to part ways w/him after 1 year. I thought he might get $9.5 to $10 million for that first year.

No, we don't. Of course, most of us know that money is almost always the single greatest determining factor in such situations.

Bottom line this is why you try to trade for a guy you want, even if you know hes going to be released. I think a 5th could have gotten it done, give TB something to build with and Mccoy is better than any 5th rounder we've drafted. Sometimes you try to get cute and miss out. Not saying thats what happened, but the rumors of us wanting him happened long before he was released.

Lol if we offered him 13 mil, he would've signed here. The problem was never with McCoy's talent, but his price tag. I even said, I think his price was worth 8.5 mil tops, and that's not even my money. Which brings me to my point, just because you have money doesn't mean you should spend it.

Sure, but we certainly didn't want him at 13 million a year.

I thought Richardson, at this point in his career, is now more of a run-stopper instead of a pass rusher. I think it's been a few years since he was the QB terrorizer that he was with the Jets.

Agreed. I was surprised the McCoy threads got as much action as they did. Well maybe not so surprised, it is the slow part of the off-season after all.

What's a Gerald McCoy?

true, but my point was if we indeed really wanted him, that was the way to go as opposed to leaving things to chance as a FA

That's fine, I'd much rather have Richardson anyway.

I put this down to the man being hell bent on revenge which has little to do with winning. He is obviously not so bright.

Everyone has their pride, and I do not doubt that McCoy will be a one man wrecking crew against Tampa Bay. If not .. he is still cheap for the Panthers.