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Still won't/can't do it, I see.

There is a character in the Eddie Murphy movie "The Distinguished Gentleman" whose name perfectly fits your screen persona here at DT:


Dick Dodge.


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Trump defends accepting 'oppo research' from foreign governments: 'How ridiculous' to tell the FBI

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-defends-wil...-145846989.html

Trump attacks the deep state because he's projecting. he IS the deep state lmfaooo


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So I guess the Dems will be charging and impeaching Trump now with all this evidence you say you have over these years.

Talk about dodging. rofl

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Please don't try to put your words in my mouth. They taste like crap and constitute a significant downgrade from the words I choose.


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Please don't try to put your words in my mouth. They taste like crap and constitute a significant downgrade from the words I choose.


Nice dodge. So when do the charges come out and the impeachment begin?

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I don't know.


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But I do.

Democrats lack of a platform for the 2020 election has them running on "Hate Trump" so if they try to charge or impeach and Trump crushes them in Court, their only Fake Platform goes up in smoke.

So nothing happens but more accusations, innuendo, and crying in the streets.

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You won't believe this, but I agree with your post. When you get stuff (be it money, or intel) from foreign gov't.s, they DO want something back.

Actually, it reminds me of the Clinton foundation.

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You must consider the source here. These are people that elected a man who said things like this.....

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. … They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

“I’m talking about Mexico is forcing people in that they don’t want, and they want us to take care of those people.”

“And I had an idea recently. When they send illegals into our country, we charge Mexico $100,000 for every illegal that crosses that border because it’s trouble.”

They missed the fact that Mexico doesn't "send" or "force" anyone to come here.

“I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall.”

As we all know, the checks from Mexico have been flooding in.

“Jeb Bush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife.”

This doesn't even deserve comment.

“Do you know that Hillary Clinton was a birther? She wanted those records and fought like hell. People forgot. Did you know John McCain was a birther?”

notallthere

“He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured, OK?”

Attacking a war hero while he was dodging the draft.

“You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.”

“Heidi Klum. Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”

"Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!” (Donald Trump during a Rolling Stone interview on September 9, 2015, talking about GOP candidate Carly Fiorina)

Trump just loves women. I'd say that may even include those he cheated on and paid off. As long as he rates them a 10.

“I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.”

“It’s in the book that he’s got a pathological temper. That’s a big problem because you don’t cure that ... as an example: child molesting. You don’t cure these people. You don’t cure a child molester. There’s no cure for it. Pathological, there’s no cure for that.” (Speaking about Ben Carson during an interview on CNN, November 12, 2015)

You know, the guy he hired into his cabinet.

“I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.” (Referring to Muslims celebrating on 9/11 at a rally in Birmingham, Alabama, Nov. 21, 2015)

Which has been proven to be nothing buy a bold faced lie.

“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

I could post pages more. But I'll stop with this one because with each passing day this one is looking to be more true.

Clem, you must consider, this is just a small sample of the lies, racist, misogynistic,hateful, spiteful, disrespectful things this man has said. And yet they voted for him and support his every move.

Is it any wonder they'll even try to excuse his criminal behavior and comments at this point?

As I said earlier..... You have to consider the source.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
You won't believe this, but I agree with your post. When you get stuff (be it money, or intel) from foreign gov't.s, they DO want something back.

Actually, it reminds me of the Clinton foundation.


And if it is illegal and proven in a court of law, their ass should be in jail also.

There is way too much unethical behavior and straight up bribery by special interest groups, and everyone has their hand out.

They forgot a long time ago that they are supposed to work in our interests, not for special interests.

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corporations are people and money is speech.

The best government money can buy.


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Funny how it always reminds you of somebody else.


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Yup.

But what's really funny is you don't see it.

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It's not so much that I don't see it as that I'm not sure that speaking fees and donations can be tied with anything she actually did. I understand that people who donate money want something in return. I'm just not sure what it was she did in return. Or him either for that matter.


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Reminds me of the poster that put up a picture of kids in a pen, that insinuated Trump was putting kids in cages. Like dogs in kennels. But, the picture was from the O admin.

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Was that directed at me? Hey, I'm willing to look at anything you have to offer in terms of evidence or articles. I opened the door for some productive dialogue but that's as far as I'm going. If slinging mud suits you better, we can do that too.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Reminds me of the poster that put up a picture of kids in a pen, that insinuated Trump was putting kids in cages. Like dogs in kennels. But, the picture was from the O admin.
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Was that directed at me? Hey, I'm willing to look at anything you have to offer in terms of evidence or articles. I opened the door for some productive dialogue but that's as far as I'm going. If slinging mud suits you better, we can do that too.


Putting those kids in those damn cages is disgusting no matter who does/did it. And had I been more aware of it when Obama was in I would have ripped him up one side and down the other on here.

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no.


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Reminds me of the poster that put up a picture of kids in a pen, that insinuated Trump was putting kids in cages. Like dogs in kennels. But, the picture was from the O admin.
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Was that directed at me? Hey, I'm willing to look at anything you have to offer in terms of evidence or articles. I opened the door for some productive dialogue but that's as far as I'm going. If slinging mud suits you better, we can do that too.


Putting those kids in those damn cages is disgusting no matter who does/did it. And had I been more aware of it when Obama was in I would have ripped him up one side and down the other on here.


And yet, you still haven't. Weird. When someone with an R behind their name (keep in mind trump used to be a D) does it.........even though the pictures are from O's era, it's all of a sudden a huge issue.

Yet not one O supporter was upset when O's admin. was doing it.

Very telling.

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So not only was it Fake News pretend sympathy but you used Obama era pictures and blamed it on others?

low.
low as dogs.
low as dogs in cages.

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I love that they complain about Trump just saying he would look at the info. Didn't his opponent manufacture that info with the help of a foreign government?


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Trump's always been a D, a major D. And I do condemn Obama for using those chain link cages to keep tenderage kids in! That's BS no matter who is doing it.

I look at it like this, I can't imagine allowing something like that to happen to my kids or grandkids. I would literally go to war with whoever was doing that. So this issue transcends politics and is about common decency toward your fellow man.

But Trump has kicked this crap up a notch with his concentration camps in the desert, family separations, and kids dying in those damn cages.

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And yet, when it happened under O, not a single damn word from you? Maybe because the msm you watch didn't cover it other than a sentence or 2?

I guarantee you, the msm has it out for Trump. This is just one example: Showing kids, in a cage.................attributed to Trump, but the picture was actually from when O was president.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Perhaps we should concentrate on stopping the practice instead of who deserves more blame?

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Perhaps we should concentrate on stopping the practice instead of who deserves more blame?


That would be awesome. Make sure the trump haters on here get on board. And do your best to get the media to at least play fair.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
And yet, when it happened under O, not a single damn word from you? Maybe because the msm you watch didn't cover it other than a sentence or 2?

I guarantee you, the msm has it out for Trump. This is just one example: Showing kids, in a cage.................attributed to Trump, but the picture was actually from when O was president.


What part of I didn't know it or see it didn't you understand? I vaguely remember the detentions at the border and him increasing deportations. Had I known there were kids in cages I would have been furious.

But I know you are just trying to take me down, so carry on.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Perhaps we should concentrate on stopping the practice instead of who deserves more blame?


That would be awesome. Make sure the trump haters on here get on board. And do your best to get the media to at least play fair.



lmao! If you think any crap you spew will make me stop dispising Trump, then I need the number to your drug dealer!

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So I guess the Dems will be charging and impeaching Trump now with all this evidence you say you have over these years.



What prison is Manafort and Cohen in?


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I love that they complain about Trump just saying he would look at the info. Didn't his opponent manufacture that info with the help of a foreign government?


Yep - I love how all those senior Republicans basically rebuked Trump because he said he'd just look at the info. . . . oh that he wouldn't say anything to the FBI .... yeah. Funny that.

And the head of the FEC also felt it necessary to send out notice too. All that for "just looking" and "just telling the world he's for sale"


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Statement from the Federal Election Commissioner to all campaigns about soliciting, accepting or receiving anything of value from a foreign national.





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And now the dems are looking at a series of bills called the "duty to report" bill that you have to report any contact with foreign countries to report to the FBI or it is a felony.

Also, they are requiring a paper trail on all voting machines.

It looks like all are being put on notice this time

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these bills pretty much remind me of a lot of "wtf" laws in our country, or crazy rules we had in the Army.

why was they put in place? because somebody, somewhere, screwed it up for everyone else, and now we need an emphasis on something that shouldn't had needed additional policy for.


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As I was reading northlima's post, I was thinking to myself: "Sad... now we need actual laws and rules to guarantee things people used do automatically.

Then, your post.

All it takes is one. Or a handful.


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Delirious Democrats are now accusing Team Obama of treason

If you read the newspapers, tuned into the cable TV pundits or received an email from one of the Democrats running for president, you’d swear Donald Trump was back to his treasonous ways.

All that was missing was an annoying OMG text exclamation punctuating the unfounded claims that Trump might violate the law in 2020 by accepting intelligence on a political rival from a foreign country. The inference, of course, is that it would come from a hostile power such as Russia or North Korea or Iran.

Actually, what Trump told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos was that he’d consider taking intelligence dirt about a rival from a friendly ally. (Norway was the actual example he used.)

Sound familiar? That is EXACTLY what the Obama administration did in 2016. It’s something no one in the media or the political space grasped during the tsunami of breathless reaction that followed the interview.

In July 2016, the Obama administration accepted unsolicited information from Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat who just happened to have helped arrange a $25 million government donation to the Clinton Foundation years before. Downer said that he had witnessed a Trump campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, bragging about some dirt that the Russians supposedly had on Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

Though Downer’s claim was reported two-plus months after the alleged event, and was only hearsay gathered at a London tavern, the Obama administration gave it to the FBI which, in turn, thought it was weighty enough to justify opening a counterintelligence case against the lawfully elected Republican nominee for president.

In other words, the Democratic administration accepted dirt from a foreign friendly and used it to justify investigating its GOP rival.

And then, OMG, they did it again just a few weeks later.

In October 2016, less than three weeks from Election Day, the Obama Justice Department approved a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to spy on the Trump campaign through its former adviser, Carter Page. The primary evidence supporting the warrant? A dossier written by a foreign friendly named Christopher Steele, a retired MI6 intelligence agent from Great Britain. Of course, the Justice Department and the FBI forgot to tell the courts that Steele actually was working on behalf of the Clinton campaign, but that’s a small detail for the purpose of this column.

For the second time in three months, the Obama administration took dirt on Trump from a foreign ally — this time, from one in Europe — and weaponized it for a criminal investigation.

No offense, but the media really are giving Trump way too much credit for the idea he floated on ABC News. The real scandal is that he’s just plagiarizing a playbook already used by Obama, Clinton and those 2016 Democrats.

And every Democrat and media pundit who accuses Trump of treason for considering taking dirt from, say, Norway in 2020 has now, by extension, accused the Obama administration of committing treason in 2016.

Of course, you’d never know that from the way the media and politicians have treated it.

The whole episode reminds me of one of my earliest memories as a professional journalist.

When I first hit the presidential campaign trail as a reporter chasing the likes of Bob Dole, Jesse Jackson, George H.W. Bush and a young Al Gore across the farm fields of Middle America in 1988, I stumbled across a silver-haired man at a greasy-spoon restaurant in LaCrosse, Wis. He was an old factory worker at the local brewery. A blue-collar company man who leaned Democrat.

I was sitting at the table across from him, obliviously banging on the keys of my Radio Shack Tandy 103 computer (a model now relegated to the Smithsonian’s heap-pile of technology) when he asked me the obvious: “You one of those reporters?”

“Yes, sir,” I answered politely.

“Do me a favor. Don’t dumb-down politics,” he said. “We’re smarter than you think.”

I’ve kept that sentiment close to my heart for three decades. And those looking to twist Trump’s ABC News interview into something it was not should take heed of the wisdom I was offered that day in LaCrosse.

American voters are a lot harder to fool than the political elite think.

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BS Opinion piece written by a Trumpian zealot has nothing but more damn excuses and attacks on dems. Pitiful response to what Trump said/done. Cowardice on display.

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Trump goes on Fox to clean up his foreign interference comments

President Donald Trump on Friday tried again to rectify the mess he made by saying he would likely accept dirt on a political opponent from a foreign entity, going on “Fox & Friends” to clean up the comments.

Trump insisted during a meandering 50-minute interview that “of course” he would alert the FBI in such a case, but only after reviewing it first, “because if you don't look at it, you won't know it's bad.”

The president has moved into damage control mode after an interview he gave with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos this week in which he scoffed at the notion of reporting revelations of damaging information from a foreign source to U.S. authorities.

“It’s not an interference, they have information — I think I’d take it,” Trump said. “If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI — if I thought there was something wrong.”

“It’s called oppo research,” he added.

Remarkably, Trump also asserted on Friday that he didn’t foresee that issue arising. “I don't think anybody would present me with anything because they know how much I love the country,” he said, despite well-documented attempts by Russian nationals to do just that during the 2016 election.

“Nobody’s gonna present me with anything bad, and No. 2, if I was — and of course, you have to look at it, because if you don't look at it, you won't know it's bad, but, of course, you give it to the FBI or report it to attorney general or somebody like that,” he argued. “But of course you do that — you couldn't have that happen with our country, and everybody understands that and I thought it was made clear.”

Even so, he contended, as a president who frequently meets with foreign leaders, he questioned whether he would need to report every negative thing uttered behind closed doors to U.S. authorities, citing his recent meetings with the leaders of the United Kingdom, Ireland and France — all U.S. allies.

His clean-up attempts received mixed responses from the three “Fox & Friends” co-hosts, who often function as cheerleaders for the president. While Ainsley Earhardt appeared to accept the president's explanation, Brian Kilmeade pushed back some on Trump’s argument.

“Mr. President, I think that’s a good point, but what if a leader leaned over and just said, listen, X candidate that you're running against he did dicey things in XYZ country, and I’ve got some proof of it — what do you do in that scenario, do you back off, do you say I don't need it, do you say show it to me?” he asked.

“Like I said Brian, the president of the United States no matter who it is whether it's me or anybody else is in a much different position because I hear things that frankly, good, bad or indifferent that other people don't hear, just a normal conversation,” Trump responded, before returning to his initial point. “But nobody is going to say bad things to me, they know that I'm a very straight player. They know one thing about me: I love the country more than anything.”

Trump’s claims that he would not be a prime recipient of foreign dirt not only contradicts his comments earlier in the week, but the actions of his 2016 campaign and himself more recently.

While running for president, his son, son-in-law and campaign chairman met with a Russian lawyer in Trump Tower because they were promised damaging information on Trump’s opponent Hillary Clinton. The meeting, which Trump later helped craft a misleading statement defending, was a key event investigated by former special counsel Robert Mueller in his probe of Russia's election interference.

Also in 2016, Trump during a new conference appeared to encourage Russia to hack Clinton’s personal email server, a suggestion Mueller’s investigators found Moscow did attempt to act on.

More recently, Trump cheered on his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani over his plans to meet with leaders in Ukraine to encourage investigations there involving former Vice President Joe Biden and his son — plans Giuliani canceled after allegations of meddling.

The president also insisted that he had “a lot of support” over the past few days, despite his comments being nearly universally condemned by allies and opponents alike.

His comments to ABC also prompted backlash from the federal government. After Trump called his FBI director "wrong" for saying that candidates for office should report foreign offers of assistance, and one of Trump's allies suggested there was a "mistake of law," the head of the Federal Election Commission chimed in with her assessment.

"Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,“ Chairwoman Ellen Weintraub wrote. “This is not a novel concept."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/14/trump-election-foreign-interference-1365247

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Explaining Republicans' claims about 'false information' in the Trump-Russia dossier

(CNN)On the defensive after President Donald Trump said he would accept assistance from foreign governments in the 2020 election, senior Republicans in Congress pivoted on Thursday and accused Democrats of soliciting foreign help in 2016 because of the infamous Steele dossier.

Here's a breakdown of their claims, the truth about the dossier, and everything in between.

What did Graham say?

Sen. Lindsey Graham, the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Trump's campaign should have called the FBI when they were offered dirt from the Russians in 2016. But he also turned his fire to the Democrats, whom he accused of doing the same thing.

"We had a major American political party hire a foreign national, Christopher Steele, to dig up dirt on an American presidential candidate," he said. "As if that was not bad enough, the foreign national compiled an unverified dossier that was then used by the FBI to obtain a warrant against an American citizen and surveil an American presidential campaign."

What did McCarthy say?

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, the top Republican in the lower chamber, said he opposed any foreign interference in US elections but blasted the Democrats in the same breath.

"I watched in the last campaign, the Democratic presidential campaign send $6 million to a foreign entity to travel the world and find something," McCarthy said. "When they could not find something, they made false accusations, salacious accusations at that, drove this country into a special counsel lasting more than 22 months, using this false information, sending it to the FBI and went to get a FISA court then to spy upon Americans."

What is the Steele dossier?

The dossier is a series of memos by retired British spy Christopher Steele. Some of his claims have been debunked, others have held up over time; some remain unproven, and other parts are partially true. (The Mueller report does not support the main claim in the dossier, that the Trump campaign engaged in a widespread conspiracy of collusion with the Russians.)

Additionally, much of what McCarthy said about the dossier is wrong. Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign indirectly paid for the dossier through a US law firm, which then hired an American opposition research company, which in turn hired Steele. Also, the special counsel investigation was triggered by Trump's firing of FBI Director James Comey, not the dossier.

How was it used by the FBI?

There were also claims in the dossier about Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and his Russian ties. The FBI used some of that information as evidence to support an application to the FISA court, seeking to monitor Page. That FISA warrant was granted in October 2016 by a federal judge.

All of this happened after Page left the Trump campaign amid scrutiny of his Russian ties.

Why is Trump wrong?

Trump has relied on brazen lies and falsehoods while responding to the Russia investigation. In this case, senior Republicans are twisting the facts when they accuse the FBI of using "unverified" and "false information" from the dossier to "spy" on the Trump campaign.

First, some of the information from Steele was included in the FISA application and has been partially corroborated, according to the Mueller report and Congressional testimony.

Second, investigators used more than just the dossier to get the FISA warrant. They mentioned Page's past ties to known Russian spies in New York, and other materials that are still redacted.

Third, this discussion only revolves around the first of four FISAs against Page. Investigators went back to the court repeatedly, with new information, and demonstrated that they were collecting valuable information. All four FISA applications were granted by federal judges.

What did the dossier say?

Page visited Russia in July 2016, while still advising the Trump campaign. He delivered a public address at a prominent Moscow university and met with Russian government officials.

The dossier said Page had a secret meeting with Igor Sechin, the president of Rosneft, a state-run oil company. Steele claimed that they discussed a potential deal for Trump to lift US sanctions in exchange for future energy cooperation between the two countries. Part of the alleged quid-pro-quo would have included the planned sale of a 19% stake in Rosneft.

Steele also claimed that Page met with another Kremlin official, Igor Divyekin, who raised the prospect of political "kompromat" with Page, dirt they allegedly had on both Clinton and Trump.

The FISA application, parts of which were declassified last year, cited the alleged meeting with Sechin, the discussion of sanctions, the alleged meeting with Divyekin, and the discussion of "kompromat." The information was attributed to "Source #1," a reference to Steele, and the application disclosed that Steele was hired as part of an effort to discredit Trump's campaign.

What was corroborated?

No public evidence has emerged to support the allegation that Page colluded with the Russian government or was sent to Russia by the Trump campaign to coordinate on the election.

There is no proof Page met with Sechin, and Page has denied it.

But under questioning by the House Intelligence Committee, Page admitted that he met a different Rosneft official during the trip: Andrey Baranov, Rosneft's head of investor relations. He said he didn't recall any conversation about sanctions. But the Mueller report said they did talk about the planned sale of a stake in Rosneft, which was mentioned in the dossier.

Page denied ever meeting Divyekin, and there's no proof that Page discussed "kompromat" with anyone in Russia. But during his closed-door congressional testimony, Page acknowledged that he also had a conversation with Arkady Dvorkovich, a deputy Prime Minister.

Some of the details in the dossier were wrong. But Steele was right that Page attended high-level meetings with Russians during his trip, even though Page was denying it at the time.

What about the Mueller report?

Seven pages of the Mueller report are specifically devoted to Page's connections to Russia.

"Russian intelligence officials had formed relationships with Page in 2008 and 2013 and Russian officials may have focused on Page in 2016 because of his affiliation with the Campaign," the report said. "However, the investigation did not establish that Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election."

The Mueller report also cited Page's history with Russian spies in Manhattan, referring to much of the same information that federal investigators used in the initial FISA application.

There were still some questions about Page that Mueller couldn't answer.

"The Office was unable to obtain additional evidence or testimony about who Page may have met or communicated with in Moscow; thus, Page's activities in Russia-as described in his emails with the Campaign-were not fully explained," the report said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/politics/trump-russia-dossier-carter-page-fisa/index.html


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