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You thinking they are sucking up all these benefits is part of the Fox News era problem. I can't say for sure, but I can say it's nowhere near as bad as Fox makes it out to be, with certainty.

Top Utah newspaper says Trump migrant detention centers are 'concentration camps'

The Salt Lake Tribune's editorial board on Saturday came to the defense of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), arguing it's correct to call the Trump administration's migrant detention facilities "concentration camps."

"They are not work camps. They are not death camps. At least, not on purpose," the board wrote. "Our government is not building massive gas chambers and industrial crematoria. It is not conducting sick medical experiments on members of an unfavored class."

"But that does not mean that the places into which we are herding tens of thousands of migrants, refugees and asylum-seekers are not properly called concentration camps. Because that is precisely what they are," the board added.

The editorial also took issue with how Utah lawmakers have responded to the crisis at the southern border.

The board acknowledged that the detention facilities are in no way similar to the concentration camps Nazi Germany built for the mass slaughter of European Jews during World War II.

But it argued that "some of the people who study, and some of the people who survived or are descended from survivors of the Holocaust, are pointing out that that crime against humanity did not arrive overnight."

The board added that the "same warning" is coming from Japanese Americans who were held in internment camps in the U.S. during World War II.

"The places where these tempest-tossed humans are being held are kept deliberately uncomfortable and largely out of view of the public, the press, members of Congress and even the courts," the board wrote. "The people being held there are cold, hungry, dirty and often sick. Children are separated from parents. Children are caring for children. Medical care is not to be found. A few — not millions, but a few — have died."

The board went on to take issue with the "government's failings," saying that "people have a moral right to seek a better life, and a legal right to seek asylum."

"If our border and immigration system isn’t up to the task, that’s not their fault, it is ours," the editorial said.

"Good, caring, moral Utahns, and their elected representatives, should be shouting bloody murder over this extended and deliberate abuse of human rights," the board wrote before concluding that the U.S. must stop "denying" that it is "operating concentration camps for refugee children."

The editorial from Utah's largest newspaper comes just days after Ocasio-Cortez said the Trump administration was operating "concentration camps" at the border. The comments sparked outrage from conservatives, with many saying the congresswoman should apologize for the comparison.

Ocasio-Cortez has repeatedly stood by her remarks, saying she would "never apologize for calling these camps what they are."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/44992...e-concentration

There goes Trump's mormon support. I think everyone who finds this unacceptable should make this sort of public statement, maybe Trump would get the message.

AOC invited to real concentration camp for reality check


Saturday, June 22, 2019
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Michael F. Haverluck (OneNewsNow.com)




Auschwitz-Birkenau complex with Israeli flagsAn official from Poland – the location of the most notorious concentration camp (Auschwitz) – invited Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) to personally visit the Nazi facilities where many of the 6-million-plus Jews were exterminated as a result of her remark that detention centers along the United States southern border are “exactly” like them.

Dominik Tarczyński – a conservative member of Poland’s parliament – wrote a formal invitation letter for Ocasio-Cortez to “see first-hand how different” Adolf Hitler’s death camps are from Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention centers.

AOC given History 101 lesson

Tarczyński – who also serves as chairman of the Subcommittee on the Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership – posted a copy of his formal invitation letter to AOC on Twitter.

“With this letter, I am formally inviting @AOC to come to Poland, where Adolf Hitler set up the worst chain of concentration camps the world has ever seen, so that she may see that scoring political points with enflamed rhetoric is unacceptable in our contemporary Western societies,” Tarczyński tweeted Thursday.

He addressed AOC’s “exact” comparison of temporary holding facilities used for migrants illegally breaking over the border to concentration camps – when she went as far as using the phrase “Never again,” which is expressed as a warning not to repeat the Holocaust tragedy, to imply that illegal aliens are treated as inhumanely as Jews in Hitler’s concentration camps.

"I write to you out of distress in having learned of your recent statements regarding concentration camps," Tarczyński stated in his letter.

Calling himself “a great fan of the United States of America,” Tarczyński started the letter with a brief refresher course for AOC about the historical facts of what happened behind closed doors in the World War II concentration camps in Europe.

“As you should be aware, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi), who led Germany, were responsible for the darkest period in my country’s – and our whole continent’s – history by devising a chain of concentration camps in order to exterminate those who they believed were subhuman, or a threat to their imperialistic machinations,” the Polish leader told AOC in the letter he posted on Twitter. “This included both Jewish Poles and non-Jewish Poles, and as a result, we lost 6 million of our citizens.”

Tarczyński shared Poland’s history regarding concentration camps with the self-proclaimed socialist Democrat.

“While under German Nazi occupation, a number of concentration camps were set up in my country, Poland,” he recounted for AOC. “It caused a deep wound that persists on our proud Polish and European history that we must all deal with every single day, and that we reaffirm to one another can never be forgotten, and never allowed to happen again.”

The Polish politician went on to rebuke the vocal 29-year-old rookie congresswoman for discounting the Holocaust while political grandstanding on Instagram to win political converts to the Democrats’ pro-immigration/open borders agenda.

“This is why when someone cheapens the history – or uses it for political point-scoring – we become agitated and upset,” Tarczyński stressed. “I understand that there are heightened tensions in your politics right now, but I would urge severe caution in attempting to leverage phrases such as ‘concentration camps’ for political ends. It will lead nowhere good.”

He followed up by urging Ocasio-Cortez to visit Poland’s many 80-year-old concentration camps that currently serve as a sobering reminder of what dictatorial regimes can do if left unchecked – especially as the conservative European politician fights the European Union and United Nations to keep Muslim migrants from penetrating Poland’s borders to alleviate the so-called “refugee crisis.”

“With this in mind, however, I wish to extend the olive branch of education to you, Congresswoman, and would be delighted if you would accept my offer to come to Poland and study the concentration camps here for real, so that you can see first-hand how different it is from your immigration processing centers on the U.S. border,” Tarczyński offered. “At your convenience, we could visit Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor and Majdanek. At these camps and others, over 3 million human souls were extinguished, and millions more detained and affected directly.”

He ended by imploring AOC to see things from a realistic and object light – rather than from her ultra-left politically correct point of view.

“I look forward to hearing back from you with the hope of setting up a trip to my country soon,” Tarczyński concluded. “You speak often of bipartisanship, and I feel this is one area in particular where we can begin to live that ideal.”

AOC invites more backlash … from the left

Refusing to apologize for the inaccuracy of her uneducated and distasteful comparison – but instead reinforcing her argument – AOC has ushered in harsh criticism from her anti-Trump leftist allies.

“They’re not concentration camps,” Democratic political consultant and attorney – and harsh critic of President Donald Trump – John Aravosis tweeted, according to WND. “And I’m sorry, I’m tired of being forced the defend the same 3 freshmen members of Congress [AOC, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.)] because they repeatedly say dumb [anti-Semitic] things and never seem to learn from the experience. She just handed the GOP a goldmine for its PR strategy. Congrats.”

Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz also scolded AOC for her out-of-control activism and ignorance, arguing her comparison of processing centers for illegals to concentration camps makes her a “Holocaust denier.”

“[Ocasio-Cortez is] a bigoted ignoramus who makes comparisons between what’s going on on the southern border and the Holocaust,” Dershowitz told Breitbart News. “Let nobody misunderstand what she was saying. When she used the words ‘concentration camps,’ what she meant to invoke was the Holocaust. She didn’t make distinctions between death camps and detention centers, between Dachau and Auschwitz. Even in the concentration camps that may not have been death camps, so many people died because they were forced laborers and everything like that. And of course, ‘Never Again,’ is the direct invocation of the Holocaust.”

He noted the serious anti-Semitic nature of her comments.

“By making that comparison, she becomes a Holocaust denier, because what’s she’s saying is, ‘Gee, if all that Hitler did is what Trump is doing on the southern border, then there were no death camps. There were no killing squads. There was no genocide. There was no murder of a million-and-a-half babies. There were no selections where people were picked based on their health and whether they were twins and subjected to the most gruesome form of punishment,'” the legal expert contended, calling her remarks a “nonsense excuse” that are no more than an “insult to the intelligence.”

Dershowitz also spoke about Rep. Jerry Nadler’s (D-N.Y.) blind unconditional support of AOC after her Holocaust reference.

“Then you get Democrats who are prepared to just support anything Democrats say,” Dershowitz added. “Look, there are Republicans like that, too, but we’re talking about Democrats now. The idea that any Democrat – from New York, no less, representing a heavily Jewish district – would defend her for those statements just tells us what’s going on in the world today, and it’s not a good scene.”

Popular sportscaster Mark Sturgis also condemned AOC’s flippant remarks.

“People are trying to illegally enter our country,” Sturgis said, according to Newsweek. “That’s a defense – not a concentration camp. It may not be perfect, but how dare you compare what the Jewish people went through to illegal entry. Visit Dachau one time, you will be embarrassed with what you said.”

https://onenewsnow.com/culture/2019/06/22/aoc-invited-to-real-concentration-camp-for-reality-check

At the very least send her dumb ass to the Halocaust Museum in DC.

Maybe she can learn some history before saying dumb things.

Dumb things? Her description of the conditions at the border were spot on! She just had the balls to say it out loud. These are concentration camps, plain and simple.

No. I am saying, quite clearly I thought too, that if we stop giving them incentives to come here, they will stop coming. No more freebies.

They're not coming for freebies, they're coming for better lives or to save their lives. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Pence: Reports of conditions in detention centers prove 'Congress has to act'

Vice President Pence briefly sparred with CNN’s Jake Tapper on Sunday over reports of unsanitary, dangerous conditions in migrant detention centers.

"No American should approve of this mass influx of people coming across our border," Pence said on "State of the Union." "I was at the detention center in Nogales, [Ariz.]. ... It is a heartbreaking scene. These are people who are being exploited by human traffickers. ... Congress has to act."

Tapper played a clip of Justice Department lawyer Sarah Fabian suggesting detained migrant children did not need toothbrushes or soap, prompting Pence to respond, "I can’t speak to what that lawyer was saying." He then insisted congressional Democrats had resisted expanding bed space in detention centers.




Vice President Pence briefly sparred with CNN’s Jake Tapper on Sunday over reports of unsanitary, dangerous conditions in migrant detention centers.

"No American should approve of this mass influx of people coming across our border," Pence said on "State of the Union." "I was at the detention center in Nogales, [Ariz.]. ... It is a heartbreaking scene. These are people who are being exploited by human traffickers. ... Congress has to act."

Tapper played a clip of Justice Department lawyer Sarah Fabian suggesting detained migrant children did not need toothbrushes or soap, prompting Pence to respond, "I can’t speak to what that lawyer was saying." He then insisted congressional Democrats had resisted expanding bed space in detention centers.


Pence, asked about additional reports of conditions inside the facilities, said that "we’ve got to get to the root causes" by improving border security.

Tapper continued to press Pence on conditions in the facilities, telling him he had "the power right now to go back to the White House" and raise the issue. Pence defended U.S. Customs and Border Protection personnel, calling them "dedicated men and women" who are "doing their level best every day."

Immigration attorneys have said that four toddlers were sent to the hospital last week after they were held at a Border Patrol facility.

Pence's comments came in the wake of reports that President Trump had canceled sweeping Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids in several major cities Sunday, saying he would give congressional Democrats two weeks to reach an immigration deal.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk...-prove-congress

How very Christian of Pence... smfh DEPLORABLE!

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I know exactly what it means.

Just a general thought:

I got it, the Media and Dems are reporting about these issues. Of course, we all know there might be some embellishment involved.. Isn't there always?

But I want someone to ask republicans that are either saying this is not accurate reporting or say nothing,. "what would you think of these conditions if they are as reported"

If they say they would stand up against it, then it's simple, Dems and reporters need to prove it then hold them accountable.

Seems easy as pie to me.

by just allowing trump to take away all our freedoms and to turn this country into another fascist run Nazi state nobody wants to live in.

I expect you wouldn't understand how free health care, free education, free food, and free money isn't their motivation for a better life. It just doesn't appear to make any sense to you.

Most of the migrants that come here work for border line slave wages for 12 hours minimum in grueling conditions.

There’s nothing free about the conditions they are escaping, the dangerous journey here, and the grind needed to take care of the family back home.

You and the rest of your in compassionate conservative base will always be on the losing side of this argument, if for no other reason than your constant dehumanizing comments about them constantly referring hem as invaders and all this other nonsense as if we’re in a combat zone.

Honestly some of you seem like the most miserable people to ever be around.

Exactly what freedoms have been taken from you?

As of July 2018, there were over 733,000 pending immigration cases and the average wait time for an immigration hearing was 721 days. The backlog has been worsening over the past decade as the funding for immigration judges has failed to keep pace with an increasing case load.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-u-s-asylum-process/

What was that word you used again? Dense?

I think it's a very intentional ploy by the Democrats. That's how politics works on both sides.

By the strictest definition of the word, they are concentration camps.



But here's where the problem is if you look further.....



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/concentration%20camp

So while the Democrats wording of concentration camps does fit into the definition per say, it invokes memories and thoughts of WW2 concentration camps which certainly are not an appropriate comparison.

That's why you see such outrage over the term being used. It's not that the term itself is wrong, it's that people don't actually understand what the definition of the word is and feel offended by its use do to the comparison it brings to their minds.

I know youre smarter than this.

Are they starving the kids until they die?
Are the putting them in ovens and cooking them alive?
Are they doing experimental medical procedures on them?
Are they systematically executing them?

If not, she, and all her followers look dumb.

its 2019 eve. its a concentration camp if there's no wifi.

What a cop out. There is no doubt in most people's minds what she means. As often as the dems compare anything and everything to the holocaust, you're now going to go with Websters definition? Go save face somewere else.

i pulled this from fox news lmfaooooo

DHS boss McAleenan accused of opposing, leaking planned ICE raids

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcaleenan-accused-leaking-ice-raids

man trump hires only the best people, right maga hatters? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

If I was a Jew I would be really offended that they are comparing some stinky kids to a concentration camp.

Yet your not offended over babies dying in these camps that YOUR government is running on your dime. Shameful.

What babies are dying? This article is about stinky kids.

I think you might need psychiatric help. Surely Clapping Seal Syndrome is in the DSM.

Children Continue to Die in Government Custody, and DHS is Dodging Accountability

In recent months, at least seven children have either died in custody or died after being detained by federal immigration agencies at the border. These children came to the United States desperate for shelter and safety, but found inhumanity and suffering, under our government’s care, instead.

Their deaths reveal just how dire the conditions are under which U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) are holding hundreds of children. Detention facilities are dangerously overcrowded, where migrants are forced to wear soiled clothes for days at a time. To make matters worse, CBP also appears to be holding children for extended periods of time in direct conflict with the Flores agreement, a set of legal guidelines that provide humane conditions for immigrant children in detention — guidelines the Trump administration is now attempting to dismantle, arguing in court that it doesn’t require CBP to provide basic toiletries to keep children clean.

The government may argue that their hands are tied by a lack of resources, but the truth is that these horrors are simply the latest attempt to dehumanize asylum-seekers and migrants, including children, and deny them basic care and dignity.

U.S. Border Patrol, the law enforcement arm of CBP, has more than doubled in staff and funding since 2003. CBP has dealt with even higher levels of border crossers arrivals in the past and has 17 times the budget it did in 1990.

And yet, the department continues to have a heinous track record of rampant reported abuses in detention facilities, with adults dying on their watch as well as children, all with almost no accountability standards. There have been 97 fatalities at the hands of CBP agents since 2004, including the murder of Claudia Gomez Gonzalez, an unarmed, indigenous 20-year-old woman who was shot and killed by a Border Patrol agent in May 2018.

The department has had ample time and resources to figure out their processes and be more forthcoming with a plan to address influxes of asylum seekers, particularly families, at the U.S.-Mexico border. Yet, they continue to be opaque in their answers to members of Congress and push misleading data about border crossings.

DHS’ campaign of deflecting and wearing down the American people’s standards for humane treatment of immigrants must stop now. It is unconscionable for our society to continue in this direction with the memory of preventable deaths now forever emblazoned on our history.

We cannot continue believing the falsehoods of the Department of Homeland Security and its agencies. Congress must demand transparency from DHS, so that real solutions to prevent these deaths can be enacted. Appropriators are currently deciding the next budget for DHS, including ICE and CBP, and they should ensure the agencies are not granted any more funding while children and adults continue to be abused and die while in custody.

The ACLU will continue its fight to ensure that immigrants are treated with justice and humanity. Our lawsuit to reunite families — which includes some of the children enduring these horrific CBP conditions — is ongoing. At the Border Rights Center, we are monitoring CBP’s actions to ensure that their actions no longer go unnoticed. And in Washington, we will fight to ensure that these agencies’ budgets do not increase, so that our taxpayer dollars do not fund the abuse of human beings.

The United States must provide dignified shelter and care to all people, including those accessing their legal right to seek asylum and refuge — period. We cannot afford any more lives lost.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rig...ent-custody-and


There have been many stories about the deaths and horrible conditions. WAKE UP.

Trump’s ‘Concentration Camps’

The cruelty of immigrant family separations must not be tolerated.

By Charles M. Blow

I have often wondered why good people of good conscience don’t respond to things like slavery or the Holocaust or human rights abuse.

Maybe they simply became numb to the horrific way we now rarely think about or discuss the men still being held at Guantánamo Bay without charge or trial, and who may as well die there.

Maybe people grow weary of wrestling with their anger and helplessness, and shunt the thought to the back of their minds and try to simply go on with life, dealing with spouses and children, making dinner and making beds.

Maybe there is simply this giant, silent, cold thing drifting through the culture like an iceberg that barely pierces the surface.

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I believe that we will one day reflect on this period in American history where migrant children are being separated from their parents, some having been kept in cages, and think to ourselves: How did this happen?

Why were we not in the streets every day demanding an end to this atrocity? How did we just go on with our lives, disgusted but not distracted?

Thousands of migrant children have now been separated from their parents.

As NBC News reported in May:

“At least seven children are known to have died in immigration custody since last year, after almost a decade in which no child reportedly died while in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.”

Homeland Security’s own inspector general has described egregious conditions at detention facilities.

And, last week, an attorney for the Trump administration argued before an incredulous panel of judges on the Ninth Circuit that toothbrushes, soap and appropriate sleeping arrangements were not necessary for the government to meet its requirement to keep migrant children in “safe and sanitary” conditions.

As one of the judges asked the attorney:

“Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you do something other than what I described: Cold all night long. Lights on all night long. Sleep on the concrete floor and you get an aluminum blanket?”

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Stop and think about that. Not only do these children in question not have beds, they are not even turning off the lights so that they can go to sleep. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture, plain and simple.

How is this happening? Why is this happening?

An Associated Press report last week discussed the descriptions by lawyers of “inadequate food, water and sanitation for the 250 infants, children and teens” at a Texas border patrol station.

According to the report:

“A 2-year-old boy locked in detention wants to be held all the time. A few girls, ages 10 to 15, say they’ve been doing their best to feed and soothe the clingy toddler who was handed to them by a guard days ago.”

The report explained at another point:

“Three girls told attorneys they were trying to take care of the 2-year-old boy, who had wet his pants and had no diaper and was wearing a mucus-smeared shirt when the legal team encountered him.”

The report described at another point:

“A 14-year-old girl from Guatemala said she had been holding two little girls in her lap. ‘I need comfort, too. I am bigger than they are, but I am a child, too,’ she said.”

Anyone whose heart doesn’t break upon reading that is a monster. And yet, too many Americans seem perfectly O.K. with these conditions. Last year, Fox News’s Laura Ingraham compared child detention centers to “summer camps.” These are not summer camps. They are closer to what Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez called them: concentration camps.

She received quite a bit of blowback for that description, her critics complaining that the term was too closely tied to the ghastly horrors of the Holocaust.

No one wants to be accused of invoking Godwin’s law: “As an online discussion continues, the probability of a reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis approaches 1.” In other words, 100 percent.

However, last week MSNBC anchor Chris Hayes wrote on Twitter:

“Last comment on this: ‘concentration camp’ is an extremely charged term and I get why many people are, in good faith, uncomfortable with its application for Godwin’s Law purposes among others. So let’s just call them “detention camps” and focus on what’s happening in them.”

The creator of the law himself, Mike Godwin, responded:

“Chris, I think they’re concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions by design is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the “charged” term is appropriate.”

Folks, we can use any form of fuzzy language we want, but the United States under Donald Trump is currently engaged in an unconscionable act. He promised to crack down on immigrants and yet under him immigrants seeking asylum have surged. And he is meeting the surge with indescribable cruelty.

Donald Trump is running concentration camps at the border. The question remains: what are we going to do about it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/opinion/trump-migrants-camps.html

Ok, the first article talks about people dying "since 2004"

Do you have any actual count of "babies dying" this year?

If not, shut up with your unhinged liberal hysteria.

And you wonder why you lose elections.

You people have no credibility when you make up facts out of thin air and try to compare it to The Halocaust.

Also, Librtard opinion pieces dont count.

https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/us-holoc...h-the-holocaust

https://www.jta.org/2019/06/24/politics/...on-camp-comment

And you just lost the Jewish vote.

AOC is about as bright as a can of playdough.

Why are migrant children dying in U.S. custody?

"Children are not like adults. They get sick more quickly and each hour of delay can be associated with serious complications," says a doctor.

May 29, 2019, 4:44 PM EDT
By Nicole Acevedo
At least seven children are known to have died in immigration custody since last year, after almost a decade in which no child reportedly died while in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

The string of cases continue to raise questions around the conditions in which migrant children are being kept at a time when a growing number of migrants, many of them Central American parents with children, are presenting themselves at the border to seek asylum.

Aside from the fact that children may have underlying health conditions, most are reaching the United States after arduous journeys during which they have had little access to clean shelter and proper provisions. Many are leaving impoverished and drought-stricken regions.

But the deaths under President Donald Trump's watch have health professionals and some advocates questioning whether the administration's immigration policies — particularly keeping minors in custody for longer periods — are contributing to more minors getting sick and dying while in custody or shortly after they are released.

“Children are not like adults. They get sick more quickly and each hour of delay can be associated with serious complications, especially in cases of infectious diseases. Delays can lead to death,” Dr. Julie Linton, co-chair of the immigrant health special interest group at the American Academy of Pediatrics, told NBC News.

The most recent known case is that of Carlos Gregorio Hernández Vásquez. The teenager died in CBP custody this month after being diagnosed with the flu, an infectious disease.

In December, medical examiners concluded that 7-year-old Jakelin Caal Maquin, who also died in CBP custody, succumbed to "a rapidly progressive infection" that shut down her vital organs. CBP sent Jakelin on a 90-mile bus ride to another location after she was taken into custody, even though her father had told officials she was vomiting and feeling ill before they left.

CBP officials said last year that Jakelin waited an hour and a half to receive emergency medical care after showing symptoms.

Deaths of several other migrant children were reported in just eight months following her death.

“We do not need to be talking about the prolonged detention of children. It is dangerous,” Linton said.

Seven months before Jakelin's death, 1-year-old Mariee Juarez died after being released from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody.

Mariee died from complications of a respiratory illness her mother and lawyers say she allegedly developed while detained.

CBP holding facilities are “basically concrete floors with mats and barbed wire fencing and bright lights 24/7,” Linton said. “That can be a very disorienting environment to children.”

Leah Chavla, an international human rights lawyer and policy adviser at the Women's Refugee Commission, has worked with families who have raised many concerns over CBP facilities being “inadequate.”

“Families have come with concerns about lack of hygiene, being crammed into holding cells, being served food that has not fully cooked or nutritionally appropriate for kids … being woken up throughout the night," Chavla told NBC News.

The CBP holding facilities are often referred to by the people held in them as "hieleras," which translates to icebox or cooler, because of their frigid temperatures. A Human Rights Watch report about these conditions pointed out that children were sleeping under thin Mylar blankets or foil wrappers.

Wilmer Josué Ramírez Vásquez, a 2½-year-old, died this month after being detained by Border Patrol in early April and spending about a month in a hospital, where he was diagnosed with pneumonia.

Carlos, 16, had been held in such a facility before being diagnosed with influenza A. He died May 20. The teenager had spent one week in CBP custody, even though legally he should have not been there for more than three days.

U.S. laws require CBP to transfer minors into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) within 72 hours unless there are "exceptional circumstances.

A CBP official told NBC News via email that "the standard is 72 hours or less, but with the on-going crisis that has been difficult to maintain at times."

The official stated that despite the fact that the number of migrant families and unaccompanied minors remain at peak levels, U.S. Border Patrol continues to conduct processing of unaccompanied minors in a little over a day, on average, across the southwest border.

The official added that the high number of children requiring placement with HHS-ORR exceeds their available shelter spaces so the minors spend more time in Border Patrol facilities until then.

Under ORR, children are supposed to have access to a network of state-licensed or government-funded private care providers, as well as education, health care and case management services, Linton explained.

And yet, Carlos was placed back in CBP custody after he was diagnosed with flu-like symptoms, an official from the agency previously told NBC News.

“Kids are not being processed quickly enough under CBP,” Chavla said. “Filing complaints to elevate some of these concerns has been one of a couple of mechanisms used to push CBP into following the rules, but there are still some real doubts about how serious they’re about this.”

Felipe Gómez Alonzo, 8, also was held in CBP custody for nearly one week before he died on Christmas Eve. Medical investigators later determined the boy had been suffering from the flu while he was under the agency’s care.

“A child should never be returned to a processing center to recover from an illness,” Linton said. “As a pediatrician, I would never suggest for a kid to heal in a stressful environment with concrete floors.”

Even though ORR is more equipped than CBP to house minors for a longer period of time, children have also died while in ORR care or shortly after being released from immigration custody.

Darlyn Valle, 10, died in September after entering ORR custody, but her death was revealed to the public nearly eight months after it had happened.

The girl entered ORR custody on March 2018 “as a medically fragile child with a history of congenital heart defects” and remained in its custody until September, the agency told NBC News in a statement. During that time, Darlyn underwent a surgical procedure at a facility in Arizona and complications later left her in a coma.

She was then taken to Nebraska, just three days before her death, in an effort to reunite her with her mother. She died due to fever and respiratory distress, ORR said.

ORR said it provides routine and emergency medical and mental health care to all children in its care, including an initial medical exam, follow-up care as appropriate and weekly individual and group counseling sessions with care provider clinicians.

“The government kept a sick child in its custody from March to September. That’s 7 months she could’ve been in the arms of her mother,” Al Otro Lado, a nonprofit legal services organization, wrote on Twitter.

Juan de León Gutiérrez, 16, died of health complications under ORR care on April 30 after officials at a detention facility in Texas noticed he was sick.

CBP apprehended nearly 99,000 migrants who entered the U.S. without authorization last month.

Nearly 60 percent of them were family units, according to CBP numbers. Both figures have continued to rise each month since January. Although apprehensions are still well under the historic highs of the late 1990s and early 2000s, the majority of migrants then were adult men from Mexico — not asylum-seeking families with children.

The administration has been limiting the number of people walking up to a legal port of entry on the U.S. side of the border and asking for asylum. Advocates say that has led to more people crossing the border illegally, which is contributing to Border Patrol agents ending up with overcrowded processing facilities and holding facilities.

“CBP’s priority is law enforcement. They don’t necessarily have the conditions to keep children for a long period of time,” Linton said.

Congressional calls for oversight and investigations are always welcomed to see what to avoid and what can be done better, Chavla said, especially to look into how CBP is implementing its own guidelines that outline the conditions and resources the agency has to provide to children in their custody.

“Guidelines are not binding, so it’s important to have a critical look at what’s going on and how the guidelines can be made binding,” Chavla said.

Acting director of the Department of Homeland Security Kevin McAleenan said during a recent budget hearing that more than 100 certified medical practitioners have been deployed to the two busiest sectors. But when asked if every child in CBP custody had access to a pediatrician, McAleenan answered with a confident “no.”

“There’s a need for urgent and thoughtful engagement of pediatricians in every step where children are involved,” Linton said.

Even before the latest deaths, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended that immigration agencies should better train staff on how to respond to health-related emergencies and prioritize “the thoughtful release of children, more case management efforts and humane safe conditions,” Linton said.

And yet, she said, she and other health professionals continue to ask why there seems to be a lack of urgency to improve the conditions in which migrant children are being held.

“We would love to know the answer to that question,” she said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/why-are-migrant-children-dying-u-s-custody-n1010316


7 Kids. Put a value on those lives... now stfu.

You've become a trumpian troll. Please stop watching Fox News, it's rotting your brain. I know you are smarter than this.

Ok, that is a little better example, and yes something needs to be done.
I never disagreed that it needs to be fixed.

HOWEVER, it is NOT acceptable to compare that to a GENOCIDE of MILLIONS.

Even Commrade Bernie cringed at that one.

I dont watch any News except the local news.

Just because I disagree with alt left extremist lies does not mean I support Trump.

Someone needs to sit that stupid girl down and tell her how to be a professional at her job. Because she's even worse than Trump at saying stupid inflammatory things.

AOC Is Right — They’re Concentration Camps

BY
NOAH KULWIN

By arguing over the term “concentration camps,” we're giving Republicans cover for Trump's repulsive immigration policy. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is calling them what they are.

Republished from Jewish Currents.

bout forty years before the Nazis opened Dachau, the Spanish general Valeriano Weyler set up the first modern concentration camps in Cuba. Used to punish rural civilians accused of offering assistance to Cuban rebels, the strategy was to move “hundreds of thousands of rural inhabitants into Spanish-held cities behind barbed wire” in order to suppress the rebellion, wrote Andrea Pitzer, a scholar of concentration camp history, in a 2017 Smithsonian article. In the following decades, the blueprint for reconcentración laid out in Cuba would later be found in colonial South Africa, in American Japanese internment camps during World War II, and, most infamously, in Nazi-occupied Europe.

Drawing on this history, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compared immigrant detention facilities to concentration camps in a Monday night Instagram Live video. The following day, she affirmed her remarks in a tweet: “This administration has established concentration camps on the southern border of the United States for immigrants, where they are being brutalized with dehumanizing conditions and dying.” She cited an Esquire article featuring interviews with Pitzer and other historians who made precisely that point.

Predictably, right-wing pundits and Republican politicians have responded by working themselves up into a lather, screaming and whining that by deploying the term “concentration camps,” Ocasio-Cortez is diminishing the memory of the Holocaust.

Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick and defender of Israel, furiously replied to Ocasio-Cortez, “You demean their memory and disgrace yourself with comments like this.” Fox News anchor Bill Hemmer threw a similar fit, and Ben Shapiro cracked a joke about AOC being stupid. In the rightist view, there is no comparison between the unjustifiable horrors then and the justified cruelty now.

As the Atlantic’s Adam Serwer has noted, the incredible cruelty of Trump’s policies and Republican policy more broadly, especially when it comes to punishing immigrants, is precisely the point of them. The euphoria among the right-wing base that this cruelty induces can only be soured when someone draws a straight line from these policies to episodes of history that are universally accepted as bad — just as AOC did here. Republican fury arrives at precisely the moment these connections become clear, when members of Congress start identifying the jackboots of ICE today with the jackboots of the SS in 1944.

But there is such a thing as a gratuitous Holocaust reference, and in these cases the Jewish establishment steps in as umpire. And in this instance, as in many others, it has fallen short.

On Tuesday evening, the Jewish Community Relations Council (JCRC) of New York, the central body for dozens of Jewish groups in the New York area, announced that it had sent a letter to Ocasio-Cortez urging her “to refrain from using terminology evocative of the Holocaust tonvoice [sic] concerns about contemporary political issues.”

Abe Foxman, formerly the director of the Anti-Defamation League, told Jewish Insider that “such ignorant comparisons trivialize the Holocaust and thereby undermine the lessons of history we must learn.” Quasi-celebrity Rabbi David Wolpe adds, “analogies that evoke the Holocaust are, with the rarest of exceptions, presumptively offensive and unwise.”

These readings of the Holocaust suggest that there are no broader lessons to be drawn from it, other than the unique persecution faced by Jews. It’s a kind of myopia that tends to be wrapped up in ardent support for the Israeli government, a line of thinking that leads straight to the idea that the only way for Jews to survive is for the Israelis to develop nukes and to occupy the West Bank.

A key charge in the JCRC’s letter, that the Holocaust (and concentration camps) can be discussed only in direct reference to the Nazi plot of Jewish extermination, was expanded on by the Twitter account of Yad Vashem: “Concentration camps assured a slave labor supply to help in the Nazi war effort, even as the brutality of life inside the camps helped assure the ultimate goal of ‘extermination through labor.’ Learn about concentration camps.”

In other words, say Yad Vashem and the JCRC, both the purpose of concentration camps and the nature of the Holocaust were so unique that they are past the point of any possible comparison.

But if we’re to go by the definition Andrea Pitzer has used, which has the support of other historians, concentration camps are used for “mass detention of civilians without trial.” Although other camps rushed Jews to the gas chamber, consider what the New York Times wrote about Dachau, the first Nazi concentration camp, when it opened in 1933: “Dachau, the site of the concentration camp for those who have incurred the displeasure of the present rulers of Germany but have committed no offense for which they could be tried.”

What, then, is the meaning of a phrase like “never again” when the institutions that proselytize it also argue that Holocaust memory cannot be sullied by the present tense? “Never again” is the common refrain that young Jews are taught, particularly by leaders at groups like the JCRC and tour guides at Yad Vashem. But by the time many of these young Jews become adolescent or twenty-something Jews, the mantra becomes a question: “Never again, for whom?”

Rather than broaden the scope of the lesson to include injustices not committed by Nazis against Jews, Jewish institutions would rather instead police the boundaries of Holocaust memory. Jewish leaders like the JCRC, like Foxman, like Wolpe, and like many others, in giving the Republicans cover for such a putrid policy, have given their answer: Just us.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Noah Kulwin is a staff writer for Jewish Currents based in New York City. He has written for VICE News, New York, the Baffler, and elsewhere.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/06/conce...a-ocasio-cortez

My quality Jewish organizations vs your Jewish beatnik writer for a fringe socialist website.

You had to reach hard to find that.

Anyways I have other things to do.

We will welcome you back to reality, when you are ready to put away imginary land.

You're funny! Sad that you think that way though. Pitiful.

j/c:

I tried to talk about this earlier, but everyone but Eve ignored me...LOL.......but anyway, instead of both sides digging in and blaming all of this on the other side, might we be better served by trying to find solutions to the problems rather than assigning blame and debating over definitions?

I have a few questions and then one statement.

Do any of you really believe that we can stop illegal immigration?

Has anyone thought about the cost of maintaining these camps?

Has anyone thought about the time and expense of rounding these folks up?

Has anyone considered the increase in costs of produce, businesses that rely on cheap labor, etc?

Has anyone considered that it might be cheaper to let them work instead of putting them in positions where crime might be the only way out?

Here is what I think. I think it is time to change the immigration laws so that poorer folks can enter the country legally and actually work for a living. I think the immigrants need to find work or risk deportation. I think there is a sensible middle ground where we can cut costs while our ethics.

What you don't get Vers, is that there is one side that does not want to compromise. Compromise to Trumpians means you give them everything they want and stfu.

BTW - Doesn't this bouncing from thread to thread trying to get everybody to get along and come back to the middle, then getting mad at people when the thread doesn't go how you envision it should go, eventually taking jabs at people yourself EVER GET OLD TO YOU?

Doing the right thing never gets old to me. And I am not mad. Just disappointed.

I also am not trying to get people to find the "middle." I am addressing the importance of trying to find solutions to a real problem rather than assigning all the blame to the other side.

"SQUIRREL!!!"

Your misdirects never work on me.
I'll not follow you into any rabbit holes you try to devise.

This treatment of people is awful and you know it. It's indefensible, and you know that, as well. It's why you point out the window and say "Look.... it's Haley's comet!" -because your own sense of decency tells you that you can't actually defend it.

This is the kind of situation you would giddily point at as evidence of social/ethical/moral inferiority, were another country the guilty party.


Enjoy my finger pointing... straight at you.

I'll just drop this here for all those good Christian GOPers staying silent on this: