CCW is not a license to shoot! pulling a weapon and yelling to stop might fix things.
We don't have real justice,
The internet censored my real thoughts on capital punishment of for sure cases where the victim was minding their own business, it should be swift and public.
It's a tough call. By all accounts, Jones, the pregnant woman instigated the fight. That seems to be clear.
Had it been the other way around and Jemison, the woman who fired the shot, started the fight, shot and killed the fetus, she would have been charged with attempted murder, and murder. That is clear as well.
In either case, a child/fetus was killed. The way the DA sees it, you can't have it one way and not the other, and I agree with that for the most part. I don't think the DA out of bounds in pressing charges. I don't think it out of bounds had they not.
Interesting case. We'll see how the jury feels. Sometimes law doesn't have all the answers. That is why we have juries. If it did, we would simply have bench trials and the judge would rule on the law and render verdict.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
cause then they wouldve just let the charges stick on the black girl who did the shooting.
its just a massive confusion of the law.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
No one has questioned why in the hell a mother who is five months pregnant would start a fight w/another woman? And she was so threatening that the other woman was justified in shooting her.
Which is sad because dude probably don’t give two craps about either of they asses and probably has another girl preggo already.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And she was so threatening that the other woman was justified in shooting her.
This is more the part of your post I was addressing. Stand your ground laws only require you "felt threatened". It's a very low bar that exists in some states that sets a very low standard of excusing shooting someone.
I'm not sure of the actual details here, so I can't say for sure. But what I will say is some of the stand your ground laws in America create a situation where a lot of people can be shot and killed with very little provocation.
While I don't uphold the man pushing the shooter, there certainly was no excuse to kill him over it. It amazes me how little it takes to be sentenced to death by a fellow citizen these days.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Oh, and this, or this kind of incident wouldn't have happened if there was any other administration of president? Give me a great big mother lovin Break!
Which is sad because dude probably don’t give two craps about either of they asses and probably has another girl preggo already.
I don't know if you are guessing or you have already heard that was what the fight was about. But I think that would be a very good educated guess. I should have thought of that.
Yeah, I agree. Can't believe we didn't think about it. Thanks Swish.
I probably won't go there about the baby daddy thing unless others do first, but that is an interesting discussion in and of itself because it is a real problem in lower income areas.
Man, you gotta love that stand your ground crap in Florida! I mean are you saying if a guy shoves me for being in his girls face for parking in a handicapped spot, I can just draw and shoot? Sign me up for some of that! It's easy to get somebody mad enough to shove you... you can go on a legal killing spree! Don't like your boss, make him shove you. Don't like your neighbor, make him shove you. Don't like the guy in the MAGA hat, make him shove you. Don't like the judge, make him shove you. Don't like the off duty cop, make him shove you. Don't like the landlord, make him shove you. Don't like the guy at the BMV, make him shove you.
It's so easy to take another life, they aren't just cheap in FL, they're FREE.
smfh. What's wrong with people. Shove me bruh, shove me.
It's cases like this that push the law to it bounds. Laws get changed all the time as the need presents. Lawmakers can't imagine every possible scenario that will put pressure on the borders of the written law.
That is why there are appellate courts, and state and federal supreme courts to try to sort it out.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
This is one DUMB ASS law ... its 100% ILLOGICAL ...
Ya’all can spin it anyway u want ...
One person and one person only was responsible for pulling that trigger ... how there not the ones that killed that baby is beyond me ... MAKES NO SENSE ...
The dumb ass women that started the fight did NOT PULL THE TRIGGER ... she didn’t shoot herself ...
IS A DUMB ASS LAW that needs to be changed ..
Peen ... redneck logic is sometimes pure genius ... i lived in a place called Tyler Texas for 18 months .. it was the heart of redneck country and i met some real dumb asses there .. I also met some of the smartest people i have ever met there .. and they all talked the same .. slow as hell and with that drawl ...
Well this law comes right out of the mouths of the dumb ass rednecks that have NO COMMON SENSE but will kick the crap out of a gator or shoot a fly off a bulls balls from 500 yards .. *L* ..
Sorry bro .. this law makes no damm sense what so ever ...
The other person didn’t have a gun or a knife and they weren’t in your house ..... then its rl simple ...
It's not that simple for me. I am not arguing so much about this particular law, but I don't see the mother as a victim.
She was pregnant. I know you don't have kids, but here is how it works for most folks. Woman gets pregnant and the number one goal is to do everything you can to give birth to a healthy baby.
If you smoke, you stop.
If you drink, you stop.
If you do drugs, you stop.
You eat healthy. You make sure you don't lift a lot of weight. You don't overexert yourself. You may even do things like listen to classical music while learning how to relax your entire body.
Why do you do those things? Because the baby's health is the number one thing. They are more important than you are.
So, I find it hard to feel that this particular mother who so aggressively attacked another woman that it resulted in a justified shooting is a victim. She should have never put herself in that situation given the fact that she was pregnant.
I'm sorry, but I can't think of a justifiable reason for a mother to put her baby in such a situation. Even if the woman didn't have a gun, do you really think that getting into a physical altercation w/someone while you are pregnant is justifiable.
I think this whole debate is set up to determine whether a 5th month fetus is a human being. Finding this woman guilty/not guilty of manslaughter will set a hell of a precedent for the looming abortion battles.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I think this whole debate is set up to determine whether a 5th month fetus is a human being. Finding this woman guilty/not guilty of manslaughter will set a hell of a precedent for the looming abortion battles.
While it's far from settled law, this debate already has some precedent... people have been charged and convicted of murder/manslaughter for killing a pregnant woman's baby. In that respect, some courts have already ruled that the unborn baby has rights..
This is just the first case I can remember where the pregnant mother was at fault for starting the incident that led to the death of the unborn baby and is being charged the same way.
Now, with that said, it is going to create a serious precedent... what if the woman is in a car accident that is her fault and the baby dies? Vehicular manslaughter? What if the woman is on drugs and the baby dies? Manslaughter?
First, The pregnant woman committed felony criminal assault. She must have, in order for the shooting to be ruled justifiable self-defense. She caused the situation which resulted in the death of her child.
Knee-jerk, emotional reactions made with no knowledge of the situation or the law are something you are certainly entitled to, but which serve no useful purpose.
What might be useful would be to examine WHY the pregnant woman endangered her child, and it is much, much more than just that she is a stupid twit. That is almost certainly true, but it is not the only or even primary reason.
Examine Swish's guess at the cause of the argument, and the circumstances around it that may very well be true. Then ask why it is that these conditions are most likely the case, or easily believable, and you will start along the path which leads you to the real problem.
The answer is not "racism, racism, racism!", but the thought process that produces such an answer most definitely is.
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