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What authority does Doofus Denis have to negotiate with other countries again?
The same right as you do.
Freedom of speech.
I'm pretty sure the second his plane landed in Syria, his free speech rights went away.... 
Also, when in the US, he is protected by the constitution to speak... however, that does not change the fact that as a matter or political decorum, senators and congressman DO NOT meet with foreign leaders unless it is with the approval of the president.
I know that when it comes to bashing Bush, decorum and protocol mean very little to the left... I just hope they aren't all that upset when what comes around goes around... We will have another democrat in the White House and they will be afforded very little respect, they will be called names, and treated like an idiot... since I first became politically aware, from Carter to Reagan to Bush I to Clinton to Bush 2... it has gotten progressively worse... neither side is without blame, but when you start going around the president on international matters, you have crossed yet another line.
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What authority does Doofus Denis have to negotiate with other countries again?
The same right as you do.
Freedom of speech.
I'm pretty sure the second his plane landed in Syria, his free speech rights went away....
Also, when in the US, he is protected by the constitution to speak... however, that does not change the fact that as a matter or political decorum, senators and congressman DO NOT meet with foreign leaders unless it is with the approval of the president.
I know that when it comes to bashing Bush, decorum and protocol mean very little to the left... I just hope they aren't all that upset when what comes around goes around... We will have another democrat in the White House and they will be afforded very little respect, they will be called names, and treated like an idiot... since I first became politically aware, from Carter to Reagan to Bush I to Clinton to Bush 2... it has gotten progressively worse... neither side is without blame, but when you start going around the president on international matters, you have crossed yet another line.
you are right DC, it is crossing a line, and it is a very very important line that kucinich doesnt even understand. he has lives of our soldiers and our people in his hands, and to do something like this for a little press time to help his hopeless "campaign" should be a crime.
you know how syria would handle this if a member of one of their elected bodies was critical of their government and then went home? you wouldnt hear from him again.
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Imagine if a more conservative Congressman/Senator[ a Jewish American Senator let's say] with well established credentials traveled on his own and was seen on say....Israeli TV....expounding upon the unwavering support the USA will give Israel in the face of Iranian/Syrian attacks and promising to protect our allies to the end.......
Stating that more liberal administrations will most likely scale back their support of Israel and actually favor some sanctions against Israel to the bettermment of the Arab nations.
What would the response be to that???
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Short man syndrome and a remarkable ability to believe that our enemies who fund and train troops to kill our military personnel are simply freedom fighters. Actually false freedom fighters in another nation not invited by the existing gov't.
I reinterate having Dennis K. around to remind us of the foolishness of socialism by liberalism is a valuable teaching instrument for anyone interested in knowing why the European nations will soon give up their sovereignty. England,France,Germany,Denmark are tipping and soon will be indistinguishable...other than by accent of language and perspiration odor in France.
Can you cite a source for that information or is that conjecture? Also, what does reinterate mean?
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Talking about shooting this guy for treason is dumbass talk.
It is but he did go to a country that has been on a terror list since79. He as much as called our military muderers of innocent civilians.
I would like somebody who voted for this idiot explain why its a good idea to have a joke like Kucinich represent Ohio.
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He as much as called our military muderers of innocent civilians.
I missed that part. Could you help me out and post it for me?
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Imagine if a more conservative Congressman/Senator[ a Jewish American Senator let's say] with well established credentials traveled on his own and was seen on say....Israeli TV....expounding upon the unwavering support the USA will give Israel in the face of Iranian/Syrian attacks and promising to protect our allies to the end.......
Stating that more liberal administrations will most likely scale back their support of Israel and actually favor some sanctions against Israel to the bettermment of the Arab nations.
What would the response be to that???
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Here goes that song stuck in my head again...
I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain
I'd unravel any riddle
For any individ'le
In trouble or in pain
(Dorothy)
With the thoughts you'd be thinkin'
You could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain
(Scarecrow)
Oh, I would tell you why
The ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I'd sit and think some more
I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain
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Then there is this little diddy...
"The peace process should be resumed without the preconditions laid down by the US and Israel," the foreign minister said,
That would be the Syrian foreign minister... and do you know what those preconditions were that they refused to accept prior to negotiating peace? The preconditions were that they stop arming and funding terrorists.... so why would they not accept the condition if they were not guilty of it in the first place? You asked for proof, how about the word of the Syrian foreign minister?.... 
Jeesh DC,you're smarter than that.
If he agrees to "stop doing it" that's the same as admitting they're doing it now. Why would they do something stupid like that?
It's Bushes stupidity! He wants people to sign agreements and pre conditions to TALK to someone? Wants them to admit to doing something wrong first?
You know as well as I do,that if a REAL president like Nixon or Reagan tried using THAT as "diplomacy"??? WW3 would have happenned a long time ago. I don't understand how you can possibly support such a childish,BS foreign policy as this!
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Need more on Syria? How about this...
In related news, a recent poll revealed that 75 percent of Syrians support the continued assistance to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, who have carried out numerous terror attacks against Israel.
The group that did the poll is called Terror Free Tomorrow... and before you blast it... John McCain is on the groups advisory board... as is Thomas Foley, former Democrat from Washington state....
Sorry to interrupt.... Continue with what you were saying....
And over 50% of Iraqis feel the very same way!
And we're spending 2 billion a month trying to protect their asses and rebuild their country. While we won't even TRY to talk to the other government.
I guess you must like the "bombs before diplomacy" foreign policy of this administration? Reagan and Nixon would neither one agree with you. I thought you would stand more behind the strategy of REAL presidents before abandoning all of that for Bush.
Guess I was wrong. But if you're saying Bush is right,that means you're saying Reagan and Nixon were wrong. Because they were HUGE on diplomacy and not so much on pre emptive war.
I prefer Reagans ways and means over the Bush doctrine. Guess you don't......................
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Reagan and Nixon would neither one agree with you. I thought you would stand more behind the strategy of REAL presidents before abandoning all of that for Bush.
Guess I was wrong. But if you're saying Bush is right,that means you're saying Reagan and Nixon were wrong.
Exactly Pit.. that's what I'm saying.. that is so exactly what I'm saying it isn't even funny.... Because any moron should know that Russia with it's arsenal of nuclear weapons pointed at us, it's expansive military and it's well structured, all be it communist, government, should be treated EXACTLY like Iraq...
The one thing I've come to accept Pit... if Bush did it or is in favor of it, you will assume it is stupid and defend why it is stupid to the Nth degree and nothing I do or say is going to change it...
Prove that Syria is a terrorist supporting nation... are you serious? 
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Do you, for 1 minute, think that Reagan (since you refer to him quite a bit), would go into talks with a nation that sponsors terrorist without first demanding that they quit? If you do, I feel for you.
Your argument isn't worth discussing at this point.
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Yes I do Arch. If he'll negotiate with a country that spendt billions to build nuclear weapons and had them pointed right at us? He'd negotiate with "this enemy" too. Neither of these presidents told Russia,"Well,dismantle the nuclear weapons you have pointed at us first! THEN we'll talk!" You ALWAYS keep communications and talks ongoing with your enemies whenever possible. You don't confront them with ultimadums to do so. Well,not untill now.  And DC,I notice you focussed your response directly at me and not the points I made. Which were and are quite valid. Since when has a president set mandates to a nation before we would even "talk" to them? Reagan? Nixon? Bush 1? Face it,Lil Bush has made a mockery of diplomacy. A complete mockery. And you know it.
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Now, perhaps I am mistaken, but I seem to think that Reagan was such a great diplomat after we outspent the soviets in defense (over a period of time, obviously). It seems to me the cold war ended because the USSR was basically bankrupt, while the u.s. kept chugging away, on defensive spending - bombs, etc.....the USSR couldn't keep up, realized it, then they "quit", for lack of a better term. At that point, Reagan, in Germany, made the famous "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall....." speech.
Now, maybe my memory isn't all that great, and I did skip over numerous things.
However, let's take a step back to what this discussion started out as, and what my stance has been from the outset: Kucinich is a no name, never gonna be president, candidate and he's over in a foreign country making promises he cannot even hope to keep, while Reagan (whom YOU broght into the discussion) actually WAS the president.
See, you've attempted to change the topic from what it was when it started. This is about Kucinich, and his "playing for the camera" so to speak, in a foreign country. It's not about Reagan.
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I say give Kucinich a medal. But then without regret I'd wish Kucinich upon an enemy any day of the week.
Honestly now, how many of you made it all the way through that video? Yeah I agree the babe wasn't all that bad, so let me re-ask that. How many made it all the way through the video with the sound not turned off? I forced myself and it got me wondering why any leader would suffer this fool?
I'd like him on a world tour, with Iran and Korea next up on the itinerary.
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I'm sure we'll hear more from some people on this subject, and one of 2 things will happen: 1. you will be told you are wrong, or 2. the subject being discussed will all of a sudden change,, probably to something along the lines of "Bush is the worst president......"
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Jeesh DC,you're smarter than that.
If he agrees to "stop doing it" that's the same as admitting they're doing it now. Why would they do something stupid like that?
It's Bushes stupidity!
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Jeesh DC,you're smarter than that.
If he agrees to "stop doing it" that's the same as admitting they're doing it now. Why would they do something stupid like that?
It's Bushes stupidity!
DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!!
Thanks for picking that up!
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I doubt it could be considered treason, but Kucinich is an IDIOT! again refs, sorry about the name calling! 
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If he'll negotiate with a country that spendt billions to build nuclear weapons and had them pointed right at us?
He'd negotiate with "this enemy" too.
Neither of these presidents told Russia,"Well,dismantle the nuclear weapons you have pointed at us first! THEN we'll talk!"
Pit, you completely fail to see the complexity of either situation.. both what the cold war presidents did, as well as what Bush is trying to do... for you it's really simple.. fight or don't fight. I'm sorry Pit, it ain't that simple.
The cold war went on for 50 years and it is a common misconception that it was won without a shot being fired.. who do you think we were shooting at in Korea and Vietnam? What about the Greek "civil war"? Why were we funding bin Laden? Why did we blockade Cuba? All were battles against the expansion of communism, if not Russia directly and in every single one of them, people died... lots of people.....
All the while, we negotiated with Russia...
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You ALWAYS keep communications and talks ongoing with your enemies whenever possible. You don't confront them with ultimadums to do so. Well,not untill now.
Kennedy didn't give them an ultimatum in Cuba? I'm pretty sure he did. In fact I can give you a list of nuclear threats and ultimatums we issued the Soviet Union over the years... we talked, we spied, we issued threats and ultimatums, and sometimes we fought and people died.... how is that a whole lot different than what we are doing now? Ronald Reagan came in and led the game winning drive of the cold war... 7 or 8 other presidents fought the same fights for decades first and kept us in the game so we could win at the end...
Now I know you used Reagan because you know he is my political idol and I happen to believe he is one of the 2 or 3 best presidents of the 20th century... so if you can prove that Bush is no Reagan, then I will have to agree with your point... Well guess what, Bush is no Reagan and he never will be... that doesn't mean your whole diplomacy vs war analogy is even remotely correct.
The cold war was against a sovereign nation, who fought conventional wars, was roughly our military equal, and in the words of a very famous song... "I hope the Russians love their children too"
The war on terror is against a conglomerate of rogue nations loosely tied together by a nameless faceless band of religious zealots, who prize the killing of civilians and creating chaos over winning military victories, and who would be perfectly happy to strap a bomb to their own kids if they thought they could kill a dozen Americans and Zionists outside a Starbucks.
We are in constant diplomatic communications Pit.. with Pakistan, with Saudi Arabia, with Syria, with Iran (through the UN), Turkey, Lebanon, and numerous other countries....
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It's really pretty simple DC,we're not NEGOTIATING OR USING DIPLOMACY WITH ANYONE we consider an enemy!  None,zero,nada. Not Iran,not Syria,nada. NO president has done this. Sure,if Iran was trying to install nuclear bombs in Cuba? You see,Iraq,Iran nor Syria have done ANYTHING remotely close to that. And you bring up those "historical wars" against communism. What did the "wars" accomplish? Vietnam? We did FAR more to defeat communism through diplomacy than we ever did militarily and you know that. Aren't we supposed to "learn" from history? Or just doomed to repeat it? Oh and BTW- Supporting that Bin Ladin guy was a feat of brain surgery wasn't it?
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You are mistaken Arch. You wish to speak about A politician. Sorry,it's a political thread or it's not. Secondly,you seem to scoff at anyone who even attempts to employ diplomacy. That's why we're in the mess we're in now. For JUST a little while longer. No Arch,you can't have "let's attack a demorcratic candidate thread only". I'm sure you would enjoy that,but,not gonna happen. It's an "equal oppertunity offender" board. If you don't like the taste of the meal,quit serving it for dinner.
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It's really pretty simple DC........
Sure,if Iran was trying to install nuclear bombs in Cuba? You see,Iraq,Iran nor Syria have done ANYTHING remotely close to that.
And you bring up those "historical wars" against communism. What did the "wars" accomplish? Vietnam?
Yes, it appears it is really simple... you compare what Bush is doing to the way Reagan and Nixon handled the cold war... then I use some cold war examples and you tell me this is nothing like the cold war....  Would you make up your freakin' mind.
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Oh and BTW- Supporting that Bin Ladin guy was a feat of brain surgery wasn't it?
It was the right thing to do at the time.
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Yes, it appears it is really simple... you compare what Bush is doing to the way Reagan and Nixon handled the cold war... then I use some cold war examples and you tell me this is nothing like the cold war....
You're surprised by this?
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You are mistaken Arch.
Okay - but probably just in your mind, but, anyway.
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You wish to speak about A politician. Sorry,it's a political thread or it's not.
No, I wish to speak about the person that the thread is about - you can check it out - the title is still up there - it's about Kucinich. And, that is exactly what I did.
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Secondly,you seem to scoff at anyone who even attempts to employ diplomacy. That's why we're in the mess we're in now. For JUST a little while longer.
No, you are wrong there. I don't scoff at people that are diplomatic. Diplomacy CAN work. However, as far as the middle east is concerned, as a whole, THEY have proven that diplomacy is a joke to them. Not us.
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No Arch,you can't have "let's attack a demorcratic candidate thread only".
I'm sure you would enjoy that,but,not gonna happen. It's an "equal oppertunity offender" board. If you don't like the taste of the meal,quit serving it for dinner.
Not even sure where you're coming from on this..........perhaps you are just a bit defensive, or upset, or who knows?
Regardless, thanks for the reply. Hope you have a good day.
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It's quite simple DC and you know it. Both Nixon and Reagan believed in diplomacy first. War wasn't "pre emptive". They worked WITH the U.N.,not against it. When they made a move,they had things in order not spur of the moment. Bush is a John Wayne wanna be. Reagan and Nixon were "real" presidents. Nixon saw the stupidity of Vietnam and got us out of there. Bush basicly started another one. HUGE difference DC. Of course you already know that.
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Not even sure where you're coming from on this..........perhaps you are just a bit defensive, or upset, or who knows?
Not in the least. Nothing to be defensive about. I just find it refreshing SOMEBODY is willing to talk to the leaders of our enemies for a change. Maybe if somebody had been doing that with Syria,Iran and Turkey for the past four years,there would be a solution in the works for Iraq right now.
Even Petraeus said that is the final solution. A political resolution within Iraq. And it will take neighboring countries and talking with them as well for a long term resolution to the problem. So yes,I think it's a refreshing change of pace. Nothing to be defensive about there really.
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You too Arch.
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