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Is it good or bad, whatever it is? Just nonsense stats if they don't make obvious sense? How do you validate the number's worth? Is there an average? A consequence for failing to reach, or worse, surpass the mean?

And, may the gods forbid, what if you don't have any? None at all. How do you fix that?


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Originally Posted By: HotBYoungTurk
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I dont even know what this means.


I would guess that it was plays that should have been turnovers by all rights.


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He looks pretty fast for a fullback!


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
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I dont even know what this means.


I would guess that it was plays that should have been turnovers by all rights.


Pretty good read that explains it.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-pff-qb-grading-most-effective-tool-there-is


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I see more of it now. Just odd.


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Colquitt has been consistently good in his career.
What we have to look at.

Age 34 probably has 2 good legs years left in him. Not like FG kickers...depth and height are big and I don't see the Punters lasting forever like FG kickers.

Contract - he is top 10 in paid but Punters in general don't really get much so we are talking 3 million for the 7th highest paid punter. In top 10 only one is older and that would be Raven's punter. So not talking about big cap hit.

Pretty much it comes down to this: Would the Scottish kid be a consistent upgrade on Colquitt. How much farther and Higher can he kick it. Height is a very big variable.

This I guess we will find out and it will not be difficult to view and doesn't not cost anything for looking at these variables and see what the Scottish kid brings to the table. He looks very athletic and I think he can get stronger with conditioning as well.

Obviously we have a good enough kicker so this isn't a desperate situation like our FG kicking is more apt to be thought of desperate. It won't be a tough decision. Either the kid is a stud or he is not. Only a Stud would upseat Colquitt and possibly an injury.

As we get into the playoff possibilities. And one and done post season games. Field position can be a big time variable, something we really didn't have to consider too much as a need not when we didn't have a good D or O...now it can be a difference maker. jmho


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While trying to win every game, this team is also looking to develop cheap players who allow their salary structure to stay in balance.

I think that the new kid could take Colquitt's job, if he looks ready to do everything a punter needs to do. We need a Punter for this year, and 3 years from now. He probably won't make the practice squad.

If he looks good, I think we keep him, and try to trade Colquitt. That would definitely fit Dorsey's M/O.


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I like Scott, he had a strong chance of getting drafted later into the draft. I know he never met the expectations, however he is someone that can spell Chubb in the power plays (provided he makes the team) the kid just needs to listen and work hard.

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I like Scott quite a bit. He was very productive until his injury. I think he had a lingering ankle injury. He's a very good fit as an AFC North RB. Powerful between the tackles runner with vision and patience. A natural pass catcher. His college pass pro was above average. He'll need to elevate that part of his game simply because it's the NFL now. Runningback competition is going to be incredibly tough in TC.

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Scott is another guy from the YTown area..... Hubbard, actually.

He had a ridiculously monstrous senior year in High School, rushing for almost 2800 yards and 28 TDs. Yeah, he was Mr. Potential Stud. His college career has been OK, but not special by comparison to other top guys. I like Hall a lot better than Scott, as far as YTown area guys go. We'll see how Scott does.


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.@21WFMJSports Source close to LJ Scott tells me LJ has decided to not play football and has left the #Browns

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.@21WFMJSports Source close to LJ Scott tells me LJ has decided to not play football and has left the #Browns

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Well, so much for Mr. Scott. Like I said, I'd rather have kept Hall.

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It'd be kind of strange if we ended up replacing D(uke) Johnson with D('ernest) Johnson.

His highlights look pretty nice: Lots of catches, a few throws, some nice jump cuts, stringing moves together, and rolling with contact.

Main thing he is missing is pure speed, and, while it's nice, it can be overrated.

Not saying he'll be great, but he looks worth a look.


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I could see us keeping Colquitt and putting the rookie on the PS for a year. Unless someone else wants to make him their starter they can't claim him...


You have to waive them and have them clear waivers before you can sign them to the practice squad. Anyone that wants him can claim him.



But if another team claims him off waivers I believe he then has to stay on their active roster? I think that's right...


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Not "stay" per say. But if a team claims a players contract on waivers they do have to release someone to make room at least temporarily (unless they are under the 53 man limited).
That team can later waive the player again though that rarely happens after a claim, at least not for a few weeks (gotta give the new guy a chance and all that). smile


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But if another team claims him off waivers I believe he then has to stay on their active roster? I think that's right...


That applies once practice squad rosters are set. The picked-up PS player must remain on new team's 53 for six weeks or so.

When a player is waived - from any roster (90/53/PS) - there is no stipulation placed upon new team. That is the danger when getting down to the 53. Existing team must waive players that they might/would like to put on their PS...but they must waive them first...and that opens up the player to any taker. Of course, existing team can also make a PS offer to the waived player.

I think it's a very bad rule. You sign a guy...train them... heal them up...see that they need more time...and you risk losing him to another team that could also put your guy on THIER (new team) practice squad.

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A player has to clear waivers to be put on any practice squad, so if team A waives a player and team B claims him then he goes to team B's active roster, if team B then decides they want to put the player on their practice squad team B then has to waive the player also.


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A player has to clear waivers to be put on any practice squad, so if team A waives a player and team B claims him then he goes to team B's active roster, if team B then decides they want to put the player on their practice squad team B then has to waive the player also.


I believe that ANY waived player (who is eligible) can be signed directly to any practice squad once the practice squad exists for the season...whether that is during the season...or immediately after the cut down to 53.

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correct. If the player clears waivers then any team can sign them to their practice squad, but usually the team that waives him will already have an agreement lined up before they waive the player and the player not wanting to be unemployed usually signs right away with that team. Now if a team waives a player but he gets claimed by another team that new team also has to waive the player before he can go on their practice squad.


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Browns invited WR Darrion Landry back for veteran’s minicamp tomorrow

We are learning that Texas A&M University-Commerce wide receiver Darrion Landry will be returning to the Cleveland Browns tomorrow, this time invited back for their veterans mini-camp.

Landry really impressed the Browns staff at the rookie minicamp earlier last month.

Landry had limited playing time last season, appearing in eight of the team’s 12 games and catching seven passes for 66 yards. In his first season after transferring from Blinn College in 2017, he was a second-team All-Lone Star Conference selection, catching 42 passes for 649 yards and nine scores, the latter being good enough for fifth in the LSC.

Landry will be trying to make a Brown’s squad that has become one of the hotter destinations in football after the team’s turnaround season last year. Cleveland rebounded to a 7-8-1 record after going 1-31 the previous two seasons combined. Quarterback Baker Mayfield is entering his second year in the league and was a finalist for the NFL Rookie of the Year award.

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/06/darrion-landry/


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Love the prospects that our scouts due diligence produces.

Hope the kid makes it and is our #5. 6'3" is always nice to see.

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I would not mind this at all!
Good routes, Good hands, willing to do everything asked on the field. Each and every one (don't know about the last but can ASSume he would give his all)


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If he does make it lets hope we don’t over pay him like we did his namesake .... rofl ....

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VG#1 and VG#2?

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Cleveland Browns: 3 UDFAs who could make an impact
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The Cleveland Browns had a huge offseason, but did they find any diamonds in the rough after the 2019 NFL Draft? We take a look at three possible gems.
The Cleveland Browns had the best offseason of any team in the NFL.

Their trade for Odell Beckham Jr. and Olivier Vernon with the New York Giants along with the free agent pickup of Sheldon Richardson were good enough to put them in the top five, but the signing of Kareem Hunt and drafting of Greedy Williams vaulted them to the top spot.

Of course, those moves are so likable because of the development of quarterback Baker Mayfield.

Mayfield looks like a star in the NFL already. He doesn’t seem like he’s going to have to take any significant lumps in terms of adjusting to the NFL game, which means the additions of guys like Beckham are actual enhancements for both players, not just throwing stuff at the wall to see what might stick.

We talked about the Browns’ stellar offseason on a recent episode of the NFL Mocks Podcast, which you can check out here:
https://nflmocks.com/2019/06/07/cleveland-browns-3-udfas-make-impact/

As great as the Browns’ offseason was, it’s easy for the draft picks and rookies in general to go unnoticed. How about the undrafted crop for this team?

The Browns certainly have star power, but they are still just two seasons removed from losing all 16 games, and winning just one game in two full seasons.

This roster was depleted, and needed to be completely re-shaped and re-tooled.

Therefore, undrafted players shouldn’t be counted out, and I have selected three who could end up being really interesting.

1. Wyatt Ray, EDGE, Boston College
Wyatt Ray took the step from ‘solid’ player in 2016-17 to one of Boston College’s best defensive players in 2018.

Although he is not a spectacular athlete off the edge, Ray is a productive player who notched 44 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, and nine sacks this past season for the Eagles.



He’s got solid length and strength off the edge and showed that with a very solid 25 bench press reps at the 2019 Scouting Combine.

The Browns will likely use Ray as a base end in their 4-3 defense and wisely so. He’s not really the type of athlete you want to put out in space a lot so even though he was considered a bit of a hybrid type of guy coming out, he’s going to play with his hand in the dirt for this team.

He can work with strength off the edge or stunt inside and use his power to his advantage, coming with a full head of steam at interior linemen to put inside pressure on quarterbacks.


2. DJ Montgomery, WR, Austin Peay
You don’t hear a whole lot about Austin Peay football, but DJ Montgomery put himself on the map with a big 2018 season and an outstanding pro day.

The 6-foot-1, 201 pound receiver ran a blazing 4.43 in the 40-yard dash with a 37-inch vertical jump and a wild 6.68 in the three-cone drill.

Those numbers would hold up well against any player at his position in this year’s draft, but what can this guy do on the football field?

After going the JUCO route to start his college career, he ended his Austin Peay career with 42 catches for 797 yards (19 per reception) and 10 touchdowns.

He’s the first in school history to reach double-digit touchdowns.

Montgomery is going to be a playmaker if the Browns are able to coach him up and develop him right. The tools are all there.


3.Brian Fineanganofo, OT, Idaho State
No pictures of Brian Fineanganofo exist in Getty Images database, so I chose a hilarious picture of a Browns fan from last year.

Fineanganofo was a starter for four years at Idaho State playing the left tackle position, and if you could describe him in one word, it would be ‘toolsy’.

He’s a 6-foot-6, 304-pound specimen who threw up 29 bench press reps at his pro day, impressing the Browns enough, obviously, to get a look in training camp on an offensive line that needs a backup left tackle behind Greg Robinson.

Down the line, perhaps a starting left tackle.


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Off the cuff observation; Fineanganofo has shoulders broad enough that they won't have to scrunch the 13 letters of his name on his jersey.


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Good to hear, or read. You don't get LTs from the UDFA but I guess after the First round the skill set for LT just does not exist...so maybe a undiscovered guy who seems to have the skill set of a LT might be the guy over a 3rd-6th round pick prospect.

Hope the kid progresses and makes the final roster.
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You never know. Scouting isn't foolproof.

Joe Jacoby and Jason Peters were pretty good LT's who were UDFA's, and that is just off the top of my head. There has probably been a few others, but I get your point, the odds are long.


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Agreed but we do have a lot of intriguing prospects behind our starters especially on the o-line. John Dorsey is doing his job leaving no stones unturned. Hope these players work out!!

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You never know. Scouting isn't foolproof.

Joe Jacoby and Jason Peters were pretty good LT's who were UDFA's, and that is just off the top of my head. There has probably been a few others, but I get your point, the odds are long.


Don't forget my other point which is hard to see due to message board communication.

I was thinking (out loud) the the guys in the draft are crutinized by all and just don't have the skill set. Speed good footwork, long arms after the first 2 rounds, anyone worth spit is GONE...then you got a lot of played LT but in NFL will be a guard hopefuls.

So then you get a kid not from the normal base of where you discover prospects from. And he has the size, speed, all the skill sets you would want for a LT that is usually seen with the early picks. And he is a UDFA...possibly a better shot at becoming a LT then the mid to late round picks (prospects).

Don't know this kid from squat, but if he makes the final roster that means he just is not looking like a LT on paper but on the field. Possible replacement for Robinson in the near future???


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j/c...thought this was a good story, hope the kid makes it from special teams and depth!

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Stuff like this always makes me want to root for this guy... Like the guy that Seattle picked up last year with a missing hand. Ya gotta love it when it happens.


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I think that we could add Dean and Hassell to that list too.


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Brian Fineanganofo's path to success in the NFL

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Cleveland Browns undrafted rookie Brian Fineanganofo has all the tools to be successful in the NFL, but the key for him will be maximizing his leg strength. The former Idaho State Bengal needs to learn how to drive his legs, so he can dish out punishment rather than take it.

I can't wait to watch the young offensive linemen for the Cleveland Browns put on the pads and compete in training camp and the preseason. One of the players they added that I think could have a really bright future is undrafted rookie Brian Fineanganofo from Idaho State.

Fineanganofo has prototypical size to be a tackle and fantastic athletic traits, but he's raw. There's one specific area where I'm going to be watching with him, and that's how he evolves in terms of transitioning his weight and taking advantage of his strength from the waist down.

Brian Fineanganafo
Height: 6-6
Weight: 304 lbs
40-Yard Dash: 5.08s
Broad Jump: 115″
Vertical Jump: 33″
3-cone: 7.71s
Shuttle: 4.58s
Bench: 29 reps

Whether it's out of his stance or during the play, he's not driving his feet. When it comes to maximizing power, you want to see a player drive the ground away from themselves and Fineanganofo is more inclined to step at this point. It's no different than seeing someone squat or dead-lift. The person is pushing the ground away from them.

As a result, Fineanganofo is not getting any power from his legs and hips and particularly in pass protection, is just getting in the way and absorbing contact. He's taking punishment rather than dishing it out.

And if he's doing that against NFL caliber talent, they may be able to drive him into the backfield and a player like Myles Garrett may simply throw him out of the way.

Between working with offensive line coach James Campen and the rest of the offensive line room, I am hoping to see Fineanganofo transition out of his stance with power and get better at driving his feet.

Beyond that, I want to see him pass protect without being passive. One of the most difficult things to do in the game of football is to work backwards as an offensive lineman and understand how and when to be powerful, but that's an adjustment he's going to have to make.

Fineanganofo has the physical traits to be an impact offensive tackle in the NFL and I think the Browns are very excited about what he can be. He and fellow rookies Drew Forbes and Willie Wright could be a lot of fun to watch grow and develop together in camp and the preseason.


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J.T. Hassell is a football player before anything else

https://footballmaven.io/browns/browns-m...mkmPuWDaH06U-w/

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Cleveland Browns undrafted rookie safety J.T. Hassell has received some attention due to the fact he was born with a disability, but people better take him seriously as a football player, because he has legitimate talent that could find a role in the NFL.

J.T. Hassell is one of the Cleveland Browns undrafted rookies I believe has a chance to make the final roster. You may have seen stories or listened to interviews where he's talked about the fact he was born without three fingers on his left hand. It's obviously a testament to what he's been able to overcome to get to the NFL.

When I saw the Browns had a player from Florida Tech in for a visit before the draft, I had no idea who he was, so I looked into him. I looked at his outstanding athletic testing and more than enough production in college that I added him to my target list.

I learned the reason he left South Dakota State, a program with a few NFL players in their recent past including tight end Dallas Goedert, running back Zach Zenner and current Browns offensive lineman Bryan Witzman, Hassell transferred to go home and be a father to his child. I went and found tape of him to watch to get an idea of how he plays.

I watched an outside linebacker with incredible speed fly around and hit people. Hard. I watched him stand out on every special teams unit, often being the first guy down on coverage. His speed was obvious and the way he would chase down and hawk guys, he looked like he should've been playing higher level college football.

I've watched him play but it wasn't until after the Browns had signed him that I learned about his hand. You don't notice it unless you're really looking for it and at the level he's playing at, they aren't focusing in on him or specifically his hand that you'd see it. All I noticed was an impressive football player I thought had a chance to make an impact in the NFL.

Now as a member of the Browns, I think he's got a shot to make the team, especially with the team's emphasis on special teams. I do think he can find his way onto the field as a strong safety and contribute in that role. He's the best athlete on the team at that position.

Hassell isn't afraid or uncomfortable talking about his hand when asked about it. Obviously, he's had a lifetime of practice. But Hassell's quick to point out that he doesn't want special treatment and based on what I've seen he doesn't need it.


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Pete Smith of Browns Maven sent me this JT Hasell link. JT Hassell will definitely make the roster on special teams. After that, he'll get a shot as a strong safety if not this year next year. But special teams, man, Hassell is a beast. Speed, range, tackling in space, excellent breakdown to make tackles, physical, relentless, wow. Watch and see with your own eyes!

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JT Hassell is a special football player and the Browns are fortunate to have him.

Pro Day results.. 5111, 200 pounds, 42 inch vertical, 10’1 Broad Jump, 4.38 forty yard dash, 4.26 Short Shuttle, 6.84 3 Cone, and 23 reps of 225 on the bench


No matter how you cut it...those results are special..a diamond in the rough.




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