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A reasoned, considered post that will probably get you branded as a 'hater.'


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Branded by some maybe but rational Trump supporters see Pocahontas as a threat because she has remained focused on the economy and healthcare. Most of the others are still focused on hate and grief.

Biden and Poca are legit.

The rest are Socialists pretending to be Democrats.

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A reasoned, considered post that will probably get you branded as a 'hater.'


Not by me. That's pretty much what I think is going to happen at this point. I think Liz vs. Trump is a toss up though as far as winning. But the top 5 dems are going to be toss ups IMHO. It all depends on who shows up on election day. Trump's die hard supporters will definitely be there, so it boils down to the dem nominee being able to unite the left, win the independents, and get out the vote.

It's still early, but by the end of September the field should look more like this:

Biden
Bernie
Liz
Pete
Kamala
Steyer
Delaney
Maybe 1-2 more depending on debate performance.

Steyer and Delaney have staying power financially, and I think Steyer might get some traction between now and the end of the year. Not sure it will be enough but this man isn't stupid and I can't believe he came in this late without a solid plan of attack and the math to show a realistic path to victory.

Delaney is working as hard or harder than any candidate, but I just don't see him going over 1-2 percent unless Biden does something to lose most of his support. Delaney is the only other center Dem with staying power. Both Delaney and Steyer have money and are funding their own campaigns at this point.

At his point, I think Bernie is all but done. But he will stay in until the primaries. I think Pete is losing support right now too. Kamala will need more moments. Liz is winning because she has a plan for that. Biden has the most name recognition, he has the Obama 2.0 supporters vote at this point, and establishment dems and MSM favor him.

I know some guys here like Tim Ryan. He's more center left, but he will need a few major moments to be able to stick around until the primaries. If he can last until they all fit on one stage at the same time, he could be the dark horse.

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I voted for Gary Johnson last time because i wanted to send a clear message i hate both candidates. This time I'll vote for Warren to send a clear message; that one candidate of the two is absolutely unacceptable and a disgrace to our nation.



Yep. The democrats are going to really have to screw up for me to vote libertarian like I did last time. It pains me because I truly dislike both major parties with a vengeance. But, I cannot stand the thought of this person getting another term. It would sicken me worse than having to vote for the other major party candidate. I guarantee I won’t do it happily, but I will do it more than likely.

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Kamala needs to own up and address the questions regarding her Prosecutor days (and even some legit questions as a Senator). I look forward to that debate sooner rather than later, however. The general public are either ignorant on these issues or don't know enough about them and will need to disseminate and decide how they feel with her and the answers she provides. This will be significant for her candidacy. Especially if the DNC decide Biden is done and want to throw their chips into another candidate.

If she manages to get the nomination and has only skirted around these questions that could prove disastrous as it will no doubt be raised at some point and by then it could be too late to convince those who are unsure about her.

However, the top 4 who are a shoe-in to survive into later rounds are:

Biden
Bernie
Warren
Kamala

Of those four...who can speak to POC as well as 18-30 year olds? Who can reach the lefty west coast Dem, the Academic Northeast Dem and the blue collar Unionist Dem in the midwest? These are important questions. Bernie struggles with the POC vote and even the working class unionist. With his Scranton roots, Biden was originally seen as the guy who could speak to all facets of Dems to vote for him, but not sure that is the case anymore. Even the DNC probably see that and are scrambling behind closed doors. Warren is passionate and tough...she is surging as is Kamala. Questions with Kamala's prosecuting days could make or break her. Warren could rise and benefit from all of the above, unless there is a dark horse who is polling below, but manages to survive and eventually surges as some of the top 4 take more hits. Not sure if that is Pete, tho. He may want to focus on South Bend, which REALLY needs strong leadership at the moment. If he is too focused on his Presidency he may regret it politically both in the immediate and in the future.

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Originally Posted By: JulesDawg
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I voted for Gary Johnson last time because i wanted to send a clear message i hate both candidates. This time I'll vote for Warren to send a clear message; that one candidate of the two is absolutely unacceptable and a disgrace to our nation.



Yep. The democrats are going to really have to screw up for me to vote libertarian like I did last time. It pains me because I truly dislike both major parties with a vengeance. But, I cannot stand the thought of this person getting another term. It would sicken me worse than having to vote for the other major party candidate. I guarantee I won’t do it happily, but I will do it more than likely.

Hogwash. If everyone who said they wanted to vote 3rd party voted 3rd party - we would have had a 3rd party president by now. Vote for who you want.

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I voted for Gary Johnson last time because i wanted to send a clear message i hate both candidates. This time I'll vote for Warren to send a clear message; that one candidate of the two is absolutely unacceptable and a disgrace to our nation.



Yep. The democrats are going to really have to screw up for me to vote libertarian like I did last time. It pains me because I truly dislike both major parties with a vengeance. But, I cannot stand the thought of this person getting another term. It would sicken me worse than having to vote for the other major party candidate. I guarantee I won’t do it happily, but I will do it more than likely.

Hogwash. If everyone who said they wanted to vote 3rd party voted 3rd party - we would have had a 3rd party president by now. Vote for who you want.



What in the world does that have to do with what I posted? I’ve been voting a lot of third party for years, but that has nothing to do with my post. Also, until a third party puts up a viable candidate, they have zero chances of producing a president. So, go peddle that fairytale elsewhere.

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It would be nice if Bill Weld ran for the Libertarians instead of the Republicans.


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Originally Posted By: JulesDawg
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I voted for Gary Johnson last time because i wanted to send a clear message i hate both candidates. This time I'll vote for Warren to send a clear message; that one candidate of the two is absolutely unacceptable and a disgrace to our nation.



Yep. The democrats are going to really have to screw up for me to vote libertarian like I did last time. It pains me because I truly dislike both major parties with a vengeance. But, I cannot stand the thought of this person getting another term. It would sicken me worse than having to vote for the other major party candidate. I guarantee I won’t do it happily, but I will do it more than likely.

Hogwash. If everyone who said they wanted to vote 3rd party voted 3rd party - we would have had a 3rd party president by now. Vote for who you want.



What in the world does that have to do with what I posted? I’ve been voting a lot of third party for years, but that has nothing to do with my post. Also, until a third party puts up a viable candidate, they have zero chances of producing a president. So, go peddle that fairytale elsewhere.
My point is, stand up and vote for who you think the best candidate is, regardless of party. If you think the best candidate is 3rd party, vote 3rd party.

if you think the best candidate is a D, vote D. R, vote R.

Don't vote against someone, vote FOR someone. Voting against someone is why we are where we are. EVERYONE says "I want to vote 3rd party, but they wont win, so ill just vote for _____".

Stand up and vote YOUR best interest. Not what your being told to vote.

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Says the guy who voted for a racist.


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Only 1:20,000 racist. It’s cool.


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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Originally Posted By: JulesDawg
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
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I voted for Gary Johnson last time because i wanted to send a clear message i hate both candidates. This time I'll vote for Warren to send a clear message; that one candidate of the two is absolutely unacceptable and a disgrace to our nation.



Yep. The democrats are going to really have to screw up for me to vote libertarian like I did last time. It pains me because I truly dislike both major parties with a vengeance. But, I cannot stand the thought of this person getting another term. It would sicken me worse than having to vote for the other major party candidate. I guarantee I won’t do it happily, but I will do it more than likely.

Hogwash. If everyone who said they wanted to vote 3rd party voted 3rd party - we would have had a 3rd party president by now. Vote for who you want.



What in the world does that have to do with what I posted? I’ve been voting a lot of third party for years, but that has nothing to do with my post. Also, until a third party puts up a viable candidate, they have zero chances of producing a president. So, go peddle that fairytale elsewhere.
My point is, stand up and vote for who you think the best candidate is, regardless of party. If you think the best candidate is 3rd party, vote 3rd party.

if you think the best candidate is a D, vote D. R, vote R.

Don't vote against someone, vote FOR someone. Voting against someone is why we are where we are. EVERYONE says "I want to vote 3rd party, but they wont win, so ill just vote for _____".

Stand up and vote YOUR best interest. Not what your being told to vote.



Again, what?? Where did you ever get the idea that I’m voting the way someone is telling me to vote? Perhaps you’ve missed the part where I said I’ve voted 3rd party many, MANY times. I stand up just fine for myself. You obviously know nothing about me.

Your post makes absolutely no sense when directed at me. It’s weird.

I want Trump out. I’m sorry if that hurts your feelings.

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Only 1:20,000 racist. It’s cool.


I also supported last weeks racist, Nancy Pelosi, for Speaker.
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Says the guy who voted for a racist.
I know, I regret voting for Obama when I did.

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My biggest concern is that there really isn't anyone in the field of Democrats that I feel is a shoe in to beat Trump.

Warren is interesting.

Mayor Pete is a solid guy. But the baggage of being Gay and then the lack of experience might be problematic. I mean, to me, it doesn't matter but I'm not sure how it will go over nationally. we'll see.

I love Joe and Bernie but let's be clear, both are up there in terms of age. I'm worried about that...

Kamala Harris, Honestly, I don't have a handle on her yet.

What I don't want is a person that would be considered as far left as Trump is far right.. I'm not sure people that fit the Far Reaches of either party will serve the PEOPLE of the USA.


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What hurt my feelings is hat you’re not a believer that mayor Pete can get elected in this country.

You and I have legit beef over this.

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What hurt my feelings is hat you’re not a believer that mayor Pete can get elected in this country.

You and I have legit beef over this.


I'm not sure Pete can get elected to be POTUS? Without a doubt, he's the most intelligent of all candidates on either side. And generally, his responses have been the best of anyone. Very smart young man.


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It's sad that conditions have delved to the depths we feel compelled to vote against someone rather than for someone. Unfortunately desperate times call for desperate measures.

It's rather funny though, (funny odd not funny ha ha), many posters know that in the past I've disagreed with both Republicans and Democrats on different topics. We've disagreed on topics. The thing is that even though I've disagreed with different people, I've been able to maintain a modicum of respect for them as people. Some of them at least.

But the length people have gone to in order to make excuses for the terrible behavior and extreme efforts that Trump has gone to to tear our citizens apart and divide our nation make that a very hard thing to do. The disgusting vitriol which spews from this White House on a daily basis is just far too much to be excused and brushed to the side.

No matter which party anyone sides with. No matter your feelings about the other side. America should expect and deserves better than this.


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While you lament over your personal feelings and lifestyle concerns.

While you lament over the personal habits and gruffness of Trump.

You miss the big picture that concerns ALL Americans.
More great news...

Philadelphia area manufacturing rebounded sharply in July, just as the Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates to boost economic activity.

The Philadelphia Fed saw its primary gauge measuring the sector jump from 0.3 in June to 21.8, far better than Wall Street estimates of 5 and the highest in a year. The index measures the difference between companies saying they are expanding activity against those expecting to reduce.

Nearly every indicator within the index rose sharply: Employment doubled to 30, its highest reading since October 2017, while the average workweek more than tripled to 23, its best in 14 months. Shipments jumped to 24.9 from 16.6 in June, while new orders surged to 18.9 from 8.3. Prices paid, a key measure of inflationary pressures, also rose to 16.1 from 12.9.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/philly-f...a-rate-cut.html

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The economy is continuing to improve as it has since 2009.

The rest of the country has gone backwards. I guess racist rants and and dividing the people must be what MAGA means. Piggybacking off of an already booming economy isn't an accomplishment. It's just not screwing it up.


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Another one of the Trump stooges who believe that Obama was awful for the economy and wall street and employment .... and that Trump has performed brilliantly...... Pssst. the reality is that Trump is maybe doing just about as well as Obama ... except when Trump took office everything was rosey.... not like 2008/2009.

It's funny - most of your posts are so silly I know you are just trolling. Then there's posts like this where it's almost like you actually believe the stuff you post. That's concerning.


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Anyone with a 401K is laughing at you guys right now.

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Yet you seem to be the ongoing joke.

When Obama took office unemployment was at 9.5%. When Trump took office it was 4.7%.

When Obama took office the stock market was at 7,949.09. When he left office it was at 19,732.

I don't have any clue why you keep making up BS.


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What hurt my feelings is hat you’re not a believer that mayor Pete can get elected in this country.

You and I have legit beef over this.



Yes. We have a real difference regarding this, and that has harmed any possible relationship we could ever form.

No chance in hell he could be elected in this country at this point in time!

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Yeah, I didn’t foresee ever having to vote for a party that I think is just as bad and incompetent as the other because of what the election of one man has caused, but I feel I will have no choice. As I’ve said before, both major parties are to blame for Trump being elected. The democrats better not screw this up again.

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And that's really a shame. But I plan to support him until such time as he is no longer a part of the process.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
While you lament over your personal feelings and lifestyle concerns.

While you lament over the personal habits and gruffness of Trump.

You miss the big picture that concerns ALL Americans.
More great news...

Philadelphia area manufacturing rebounded sharply in July, just as the Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates to boost economic activity.

The Philadelphia Fed saw its primary gauge measuring the sector jump from 0.3 in June to 21.8, far better than Wall Street estimates of 5 and the highest in a year. The index measures the difference between companies saying they are expanding activity against those expecting to reduce.

Nearly every indicator within the index rose sharply: Employment doubled to 30, its highest reading since October 2017, while the average workweek more than tripled to 23, its best in 14 months. Shipments jumped to 24.9 from 16.6 in June, while new orders surged to 18.9 from 8.3. Prices paid, a key measure of inflationary pressures, also rose to 16.1 from 12.9.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/philly-f...a-rate-cut.html

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What does that have to do with the democratic candidates? Stop ruining every thread with your trollish behavior. This has nothing to do with this topic, along with the fact that presidents don’t have near the effect on the economy that people think.

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And that's really a shame. But I plan to support him until such time as he is no longer a part of the process.



He’s certainly someone I’m rooting for, I’m hoping Swish is right for once. grin

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Please. The guy has real momentum right now. I hear very very little about his sexuality.

In theory, if it’s trump vs mayor Pete, and the evangelicals start talking about his sexuality despite him also being Christian, mayor Pete would crush trump in the generals.


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Pass some over, because I want some of what you are having.

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lol gotta believe homie. Gotta believe


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The Silent Majority will decide the Presidency in 2020.

Mayor Pete will not even survive the Primaries.

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Originally Posted By: JulesDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
While you lament over your personal feelings and lifestyle concerns.

While you lament over the personal habits and gruffness of Trump.

You miss the big picture that concerns ALL Americans.
More great news...

Philadelphia area manufacturing rebounded sharply in July, just as the Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates to boost economic activity.

The Philadelphia Fed saw its primary gauge measuring the sector jump from 0.3 in June to 21.8, far better than Wall Street estimates of 5 and the highest in a year. The index measures the difference between companies saying they are expanding activity against those expecting to reduce.

Nearly every indicator within the index rose sharply: Employment doubled to 30, its highest reading since October 2017, while the average workweek more than tripled to 23, its best in 14 months. Shipments jumped to 24.9 from 16.6 in June, while new orders surged to 18.9 from 8.3. Prices paid, a key measure of inflationary pressures, also rose to 16.1 from 12.9.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/philly-f...a-rate-cut.html

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What does that have to do with the democratic candidates? Stop ruining every thread with your trollish behavior. This has nothing to do with this topic, along with the fact that presidents don’t have near the effect on the economy that people think.


It has everything to do with the democrat candidates.

It is why they will lose.

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Thank you Richard Nixon.

When did three million less votes equal a majority?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


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And....this thread is now going to derail into a troll completely changing the topic and people arguing with him and giving him exactly what he wants. Have fun y’all.

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Lesson for you to learn...

A different opinion from your own does not indicate Trolling.

It only indicates your inability to discuss the issue.

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