DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Censorship. A warning.

I want nothing to do w/the political bickering on this particular topic, but I think what you and Eve are saying is interesting.

I don't think books, movies, films, shows, musical lyrics, etc should ever be censored. I think they help identify the time period and I believe that is extremely important. Changing things to protect people's feelings or trying to be politically correct is a corruption of art and history.

I agree w/you that it's okay to refurbish old-world, historical architecture to make it look like it once did. However, I don't think it's good to change the original appearance of the place. For example, don't add a facade. Don't add a wing. Don't remove a balcony.

Obviously, this is all my opinion, but I think it's important to preserve our artistic history. One must have a keen grasp on the past in order to understand the present and recognize how to move forward.

AND, don't add a fig leaf to censor the naked body in classical art (or as Pope Clement XIII did...remove the offending part of the sculpture completely)! There was even a sculpted fig leaf at the ready in case Queen Victoria ever visited Florence so she could shield her eyes from Michelangelo's 'David'. From that mould they made many more to send to America so that Fundamentalists could do the same over here.

It still continues to this day...not long ago curators in Rome moved all classical nude sculptures and paintings out of the museum before the President of Iran toured.

1. Censorship is when the government forces you to change it.

2. Mob rule is when the angry social media mob demands that you change it or they will try to crucify you.

3. Editing and remastering is usually the artist trying to rework or improve on the their original.


Clearly, this was an attempt to avoid #2.

I think Christ may have an issue with your use of the term crucify.

So it's your subjective opinion that people should not lift their voice of opinions on matters?

I guess we have come at a crossroads between free speech and censorship.

I agree with these 2 sentiments ...

What I find much more dangerous than the idea of commercial entities trying to make themselves more P.C and revising their films or books or whatever (which was the original point of the thread) .... in order to do what they perceive as protecting their image/brand ..... I find a POTUS that brands the free press the enemy of the people much much much more dangerous. Especially when the clearly a lot of what Trump brands as 'fake news' is not at all fake news at all... all the while praising Fox which has more fake crapolla than any mainstream news organization. jmo.

I am wondering just how long it will be before some folks start screaming that the Bible needs changed since they don't like what it says.

Christ would probably be less than thrilled with a lot of the things I think and do... but I'm trying.


It's my opinion that there are fewer things scarier in 2019 than getting the easily triggered Twitter mob against you... they don't really care about the cause or the reason, they can swoop in like a plague of locust (in keeping with Biblical analogies) and ruin people or businesses over minor things, then they move on... it's what they do.


Bro, we have been sitting at that intersection for decades...

It seems the actual problem you speak of is social media. I mean it's not like people didn't have these ideas and beliefs before. It's just that now they have a vehicle through which they can gather to have a much more popular and viewed way to express them. That they can organize to have such an impact.

While I'm not directing this at you, I find it funny the way this thread was delivered. As if it were simply some "PC thing". We both know the right does just as much if this type of thing in regards to boycotts and social media protests.

From music, to pornography, from movies to actors and yes, even business, they're no less guilty of trying to influence and promote censorship of the things they disaprove of.

I'd argue #3. Removing the casting couch joke from a kids show would seem to be an improvement.

Can't blame that on atheists. We could care less what your bible says. It's what you try to push on the world from your religion that we watch. As long as you are not hurting anyone else you can worship a mop for all I care.

Cool please point out three things I try to push on the world from my religion, and I could be wrong but I think you have quoted the Bible more over the last 10 years than I have

Social media is the vehicle, the problem is the easily triggered who sit around wondering what they can be offended about today.... and waiting for somebody to tell them so they can go into a rage..

Case in point, Colin Kaepernick and the Betsy Ross flag... had you ever heard a single person complain about the Betsy Ross flag prior to him telling people why they should be offended? No, you had not.. nobody was offended just a few years ago when Obama took his second inauguration standing under two of them... nobody cared. Even Kaepernick himself didn't seem to care..

But then suddenly this one guy takes some Frederick Douglass quotes out of context, tells the sheeple why they should be offended by this symbol that had never bothered them before even though every single person learns about it multiple times in every K-12 history class....and then watch Nike pull the shoes, a national outrage is started about an anti-slavery quaker woman who made a flag... spineless democratic presidential candidates rushed in to agree with him, lest they be seen as less woke than their competitors.. Countless people suddenly offended by something that, the day before, they didn't know they were supposed to be offended by so they weren't... until somebody told them to be.. now they are... most of them probably still don't know WHY they are, but they are... because somebody told them to be... it's an American symbol from centuries ago, ergo, must be a symbol of racism... that's what somebody told me.

Big kudo's to Kaepernick though, he got himself another 15 minutes of relevancy....

You seem to be sitting around waiting for somebody to say what offends them so you can be offended that they spoke up, how is that different?

I don't know why the Betsy Ross flag is an issue all of a sudden, but that one is on nike as far as I'm concerned. It wasn't an issue before they pulled it and the story blew up.

They pulled it because Kaep spoke up about it and said slavery was allowed back then. Yeah, that flag design was all about slavery and nothing else. Or is it, that era was the only one w/social injustices. Hell, there is a lot of child sex trafficking today, should we not sell anything that has a flag on it? Kaep honors Fidel Castro of all freaking people.

Things go much too far.

I don't really care what the little snowflakes are offended by... it's their spineless reps in government who keep caving to them that bugs me.

And that doesn't happen on the right?

Yeah, Republicans never do that for the Christian right.



Hypocrisy rears its ugly head.

Yes, yours does all the time.

You know Pit, I expected more from you. You know damn well that DC has no problem bashing those on the right as well. There is no one on here that gives an example of both sides doing something every time he or she posts. That includes you! We know you like to play the middle but if we go back and look, you have not been equally bashing the right and the left. So you know I’m not including your hatred for Trump in this since there’s nothing equal to him on the left.

Yet he has refused to recognize that those on the right use the exact same tactics he's degrading those on the left for doing.

Are you also going to ignore that truth? We can disagree on the issues, but let's not pretend that labeling one side for something both sides are equally guilty of is a disagreement on an issue.

I don't actually hate Trump. I do see him as an embarrassment as the leader of our nation. There are plenty to equal him on both sides of the political aisle. The difference is that neither side has stooped to the level of electing one of them to be our president until now.

And if you bother to look back you will see that I didn't vote for Hillary either. I was at least honest enough to state that neither side ran a candidate fit to be president.

But if you expect me to say that all Americans shouldn't have healthcare, that we shouldn't do all we can to save the planet and that we shouldn't be able to help lower student debt, I'm just never going to do that.

At the same time I'm not for forcing people to give up their private insurance or simply giving away free college.

An edit to add; I think it would also be helpful to keep in mind that it's been the Republicans who claim to uphold Christian and family values. When you make such claims then elect a man like trump, you just set yourself up to ridicule.