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I wasn’t “arguing”with u .. i agree he did ...

Were those for the entire year or under Bake ... and the ones i’d really like to see are the targets after Freddie ( WHO IS READY ) took over ..

I’m just curious ... would like to be able to compare them to this years target splits at the end of the year ..

I didn't mean to suggest you were. This was season totals. I'm not sure where one would find a breakdown like you are looking for.

Go through the game logs u lazy arse ... *L* ...

Nah. I'll do your basic homework but at some point, I'm out.

I also noticed this and always thought it was Baker not always settling for short easy throws and wanting to take shots. He'll get antsy and want to make big plays.

So your saying that Jarvis had the worst catch rate out of that group....

Rate? Yes.

The real question for all WR's would have to do with how many of those balls were catchible. That would actually tell the story.

Honestly, I was only trying to get at Diam a bit with that Jag. lol

I honestly wasn't trying to do anything else. Just messin with a friend.

But yes, I agree - the stat that was posted can be deceiving.

It'll be interesting to see how the group performs this year. Baker has a lot of weapons to work with. See how the group performs and reevaluate from there.

Yup, I think we all recall that he had some struggles early in the season; an abnormally high drop rate in those first few weeks.

Players have to get in a groove where they are playing and reacting, not thinking. This comes with practice and experience. We might even see a similar thing happen this year. Not saying it will happen, just that it might.

There are still a lot of young skill players, there's a new coaching staff with a new offensive coordinator, and so on. Early season games are often hard on offenses, especially ones with new key players and coaching staffs.

Maybe they can 'out-talent' some teams while they get things dialed in, if that makes any sense.

I almost bit to u ... u know ... *L* ...

This was interesting:

Landry: 1st Half
Targets 94 ( 2+ gms with TT)
Catch % 51

Landry: 2nd Half
Targets 55
Catch % 58

Mayfield: 1st Half (6 gms)
Accuracy% 60

Mayfield 2nd Half
Accuracy % 70.3


My initial reaction seems to be that as Mayfield played more snaps, accuracy got better and he spread the ball around more. The target comparison of Landry from 1st to 2nd half is astounding. Almost cut in half. These stats don't say within the catch %, what could be put on the shoulders of Mayfield as opposed to Landry, but the % isn't that for off from first to second halves and remains somewhat consistent throughout the season. In fact, larger target volume in the second half could suggest a worse % than what was shown, but that can't be confirmed.

That said, the same catch % question of fault is applicable to all receivers. In the end, the small sample size of Mayfield is still a factor, IMO.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LandJa00.htm


Side note: A factor to Landry targets (and as a result all receiver targets) could be the number of run v pass plays from half to half, which I have not looked up yet.

If I remember correctly Landry started playing in the slot more when Haley was fired.

I'm trying to find that out, but can't see any public data on it. I'm sure a site with premium info like PFF would have it.

If I recall, he played about 60% of his snaps in the slot last season. I don't know the exact splits between first and second half.

I also think his targets are skewed because Baker would throw in his direction when he was throwing the ball away. He threw the ball away much less the second half.

I think a lot of the flack Baker received for inaccurate throws were because he was trying to throw the ball where the defender couldn't get to it and unfortunately our receivers couldn't get to it either. Whether things became easier for the rookie in the second half or the coaching made things easier is up for discussion.

Jarvis has good hands and is good at a lot of things. He's a good receiver just not great. Yes, he had a lot of his targets, but he still had more "dropped passes" than any other receiver in the league last year. I would fully expect him to play the majority of his snaps out of the slot again this year. I think we will see plenty of OBJ and Higgins starting with Callaway as our 4th receiver.

It's going to be fun.

I agree. It seems like last season's catch rate was an outlier to his previous % with Miami.



Agreed here as well. Personally, I'd like the 60% in the slot (if correct) to be between 80%-100%.



Again, on the same page. Or I hope regarding Higgins. I think he needs more snaps. Baker thinks so too.

j/c:

No talk of "intent" on this thread. Hysterical.

Oh I know buddy!