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Trade clears way for Anderson Zac Jackson, Staff Writer 09.11.2007 It appears Sunday will bring Derek Anderson the chance he's been waiting for. It's the same chance that's now closer to happening for Brady Quinn, too. Tuesday's quarterback shuffle that saw Charlie Frye traded to Seattle and Ken Dorsey return to the Browns leaves Anderson as the likely starter for this week's game against the Bengals. Browns General Manager Phil Savage said it was his understanding that Anderson would start Sunday with Quinn, the third quarterback last week, serving as the primary backup. "We've had those discussions upstairs," Savage said. "We've talked about it a lot. "By making Brady the backup, it obviously ramps up his preparation in terms of reps and keeping him on course with a chance to play at some point later this year." Savage said the team has looked at the quarterbacks as being on two tracks since the start of training camp. One track included getting Anderson and Frye ready to play early this season. The other centers around Quinn, specifically his long-term development. Savage has previously said once the Browns go to Quinn as their starter, there will be no turning back. "The important thing in the big picture is that we develop Brady Quinn in the right way," Savage said. Anderson started three games last year before a separated shoulder ended his season a week early. His only win came in relief duty against Kansas City in December, when he rallied the Browns from 14 down with two touchdown passes, then set up the game-winning overtime field goal with a 33-yard run. Running, though, isn't Anderson's thing. Throwing is. He's been regarded as the Browns' quarterback with the strongest arm, and Savage said the Browns coaches and scouts believe Anderson's ability to make every throw allows them to use the entire playbook. "We have a guy (Anderson) who's started some games, who has a big arm, who showed some potential," Savage said. "I think Derek showed enough last year, and the new staff and new offensive coordinator felt like there was enough there to try to work with Derek." Anderson started one game in the preseason and backed up Frye in the three others. He replaced Frye in the second quarter of last week's season-opening loss to the Steelers, completing 13-of-28 passes for 184 yards with 1 touchdown and 1 interception. The Browns picked up Anderson, who's still just 24, two years ago this week when the Ravens put him on waivers, hoping to sign him to their practice squad. Savage said Anderson has played enough significant downs and been around his teammates long enough to earn their confidence as the on-field leader. "They see the potential," Savage said. "They work with him every day in practice, They know the abilities he has. "Our team is serious about winning. We are trying to win. Unfortunately things got derailed last Sunday before we ever even got started. "I think we will play better (this week) and obviously we have to play better." Home Page Trade clears way for Anderson... Until he's pulled in the first half against Cincy.  [Edited title to carry on from the last thread... Ref00]
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New topic... and didn't see the article posted there.
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You mean we ran a limited playbook with Charlie while all along DA was actually the more prepared QB,......then why didn't he st.......ahh,...nevermind 
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Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it...
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Sounds like bad damage control to me. If this was the case then they admit to not putting the best team on the field ? I don't buy it.
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You mean we ran a limited playbook with Charlie while all along DA was actually the more prepared QB,......then why didn't he st.......ahh,...nevermind
And to think, people still wonder why we get no respect around the league???
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So let me see if I have this straight......Phil said Joe Thomas was always our first choice in the Draft. Which means that he did not expect to draft a QB this year. They've been trying trade CF and DA all along. This means they didn't think they were starting material. But since they didn't expect to be drafting a QB that means they were comfortable putting an inferior product on the field.
But things changed. They got Brady. But they drug their feet signing him. Why? If they knew CF and DA sucked why not get Brady in here as fast as you can and make sure he's ready to go ASAP?
But they don't so Brady is behind in his NFL maturation. So why don't they either go get a veteran or at least keep Ken Dorsey? Might have helped Brady a little, don't you think? But they don't do that either.
Now Phil comes out and says "Don't worry this is all part of the master plan". I say, "Bull". Either Romeo doesn't know what he's doing or Phil doesn't know what he's doing or both. Frankly, at this point I'm leaning toward both. The press conference was all CYA.
We might get lucky and Brady might come out of this alive and become an excellent NFL QB. But so far with the track record these guys are putting forth I wouldn't count on it.
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Stupid, stupid, stupid
That's what I have to say about it. Yea, Frye didn't do too good. But to trade him? Now who is the starter? Anderson? Dorsey? Quinn? If Crennel + Savage were planning on making me scratch my head - they've succeeded.
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That's what I have to say about it. Yea, Frye didn't do too good. But to trade him? Now who is the starter? Anderson? Dorsey? Quinn? If Crennel + Savage were planning on making me scratch my head - they've succeeded.
Sure its stupid! But Charlie is in a much better situation now. At least he is away from this cluster fudge.
Savage admitted everybody was asking about Frye. Thatshows all the nobody wants Frye crowd that they are idiots. What did Trent Green go? 5th round I think? Has anybody picked up Leftwich? NO, then why did it only them a day to ship out Frye? Frye has abilitys that our fans andFO are to damn dumb to see.
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You mean we ran a limited playbook with Charlie while all along DA was actually the more prepared QB,......then why didn't he st.......ahh,...nevermind
Probably because Romeo wanted to go with the experienced guy.
I am convinced Charlie was Romeo's choice. Not the choice of the bulk of the staff.
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It makes perfect sense. If you have crap in one hand and another kind of crap in the other hand... and some guy wants to buy the pile of crap in your left hand but noone will touch the pile in the right hand, you sell that left hand pile just as fast as you can for as much as you can and try to make fertilizer with what you're left with.
Anderson is the starter... when compared to Frye, it makes sense because there's no damn difference. They are the same lump of junk, just a different smell.
Quinn is now the #2 and make no mistake, he is now on an accellerated track to get his butt up to speed. He'll be getting more snaps and more attention than ever before, and I wouldn't be shocked if it came out that he was taking as many as half of the snaps.
I honestly believe that this organization doesn't want Anderson starting, but is doing it because it allowed us to sell our other pile of crap for a 6th rounder and still develop our young QB. Dorsey... I never expected him to be gone, much less be gone long... after what Phil said when he was released, I knew he'd be back just as soon as we unloaded one of the other two.... I just thought it would be Anderson we'd unload.
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Anderson to start after Cleveland Browns trade Frye to Seattle Seahawks and sign Dorsey Browns general manager Phil Savage said today that the trade of Charlie Frye to Seattle for a sixth-round pick clarifies the quarterback situation. "Derek (Anderson) is the starter, Brady (Quinn) is the No. 2 and Ken (Dorsey) will help them both in the classroom,'' said Savage at an afternoon press briefing. The Browns confirmed that they have traded Frye to Seattle and re-signed Dorsey. The deal is contingent on Frye passing a physical in Seattle. The Seahawks chose to trade for Frye to be their No. 3 quarterback rather than sign Dorsey, who worked out for them last week. Dorsey will take Frye's place on the Browns roster. Anderson is expected to start Sunday against Cincinnati. Savage said he's been fielding talk about both QBs since drafting Quinn and that more teams were interested in Frye. "A year ago, I was saying, hey, let's try to build the thing around Charlie," Savage said. "We attempted to do that. He came into a very tough situation ... we've had a number of coordinators. "But at same time, Sunday we needed to see more production. Probably the most revealing thing was that Charlie had 10 attempts (passing) and five sacks and Derek had 28 attempts and one sack. "Derek has a big arm. There's a comfort level in that you can call every play in the playbook and he can get it there. And the fact he does get rid of the ball. That's what made him intriguing based on those games last year." Frye started Sunday's season opener against Pittsburgh and completed four of 10 passes for 34 yards and was sacked five times before being pulled in the second quarter. He was relieved by Anderson, who finished 13 of 28 for 184 yards with one interception and one sack. -- Tony Grossi, Mary Kay Cabot http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/09/report_says_cleveland_browns_h.html
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i disgree PRL... as of today, Frye is a slightly better lump of junk...
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He's worth a 6th round pick. Today, that's it.
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He'll keep that Seattle bench warm.
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Remember how many people wanted Anderson cut? Me included. One question I have is how long do the Browns keep Anderson? Is he a true backup? Do they keep him until the year is over and find a vet backup? Do the Browns draft a backup of the future? I think Quinn is way to young for that and plus the Browns have already made it clear that they dont want to play Dorsey at all. They would rather play an injured Frye in the last game last year over playing Dorsey.
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Remember how many people wanted Anderson cut? Me included. One question I have is how long do the Browns keep Anderson? Is he a true backup? Do they keep him until the year is over and find a vet backup? Do the Browns draft a backup of the future? I think Quinn is way to young for that and plus the Browns have already made it clear that they dont want to play Dorsey at all. They would rather play an injured Frye in the last game last year over playing Dorsey.
I thought Anderson would be cut... was very surprised when he wasn't... I think he is an ok back-up... no better or worse than Frye would have been as a back-up. Anderson did a nice job coming off the bench last year. If another viable option comes up as a back-up I can see the Browns going after it. I HIGHLY doubt they will draft one next year. Too many other holes to fill. Ken will probably stay next year though to continue to help the QBs mentally (depending on who we keep as a back-up)
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Does anyone know at what point Phil Savage determined that Charlie Frye was not the long term answer at QB for the Browns?
Anybdy recall when Phil Savage spoke like Frye was the answer at QB....didn't he tell the "media bozos"(a popular referance around here) that the Browns organization was going to build a team "around" Charlie....
I can't remember another time when a team started a QB week 1,then traded him by Week 2......
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Remember how many people wanted Anderson cut? Me included. One question I have is how long do the Browns keep Anderson? Is he a true backup? Do they keep him until the year is over and find a vet backup? Do the Browns draft a backup of the future? I think Quinn is way to young for that and plus the Browns have already made it clear that they dont want to play Dorsey at all. They would rather play an injured Frye in the last game last year over playing Dorsey.
I thought Anderson was better than Frye, to be honest.
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Listening to Savage rambling through his press conference today......both he and Romeo sound lost and confused. These two are, clearly, in over their heads. What a sorry, sorry state the Browns continue to wallow in.
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Does anyone know at what point Phil Savage determined that Charlie Frye was not the long term answer at QB for the Browns?
Anybdy recall when Phil Savage spoke like Frye was the answer at QB....didn't he tell the "media bozos"(a popular referance around here) that the Browns organization was going to build a team "around" Charlie....
I can't remember another time when a team started a QB week 1,then traded him by Week 2......
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I think it was preseason last year or around that time when Savage talked about building a team around Frye as in he is not an elite QB but if we put a bunch of talent around him maybe he could win... I'm not sure when he felt that he was not the answer... Savage never really showed much in terms of bashing Frye or anything like that... but It hink early in the draft process he had JT and Quinn both rated very high and figured if he could get Quinn (or Russell for that matter) that it would be a huge upgrade over Frye....
I don't think he ever felt Frye was a superior QB... I think he was hoping he was a solid QB that we could put a team around it.
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I feel this is an unfair comparison. The Steelers put alot less pressure on Anderson. But Frye did run right into one of those sacks. how many attempts did Anderson throw a horrible pass because of pressure. Although a horrible pass that isnt picked off is better then a sack. The big thing for Frye was not making mistakes a taking care of the ball. Unfortunately for him, he seemed to scared to pass the ball to make a mistake.
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Anybdy recall when Phil Savage spoke like Frye was the answer at QB....didn't he tell the "media bozos"(a popular referance around here) that the Browns organization was going to build a team "around" Charlie....
I can't remember another time when a team started a QB week 1,then traded him by Week 2......
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I think it was preseason last year or around that time when Savage talked about building a team around Frye as in he is not an elite QB but if we put a bunch of talent around him maybe he could win... I'm not sure when he felt that he was not the answer... Savage never really showed much in terms of bashing Frye or anything like that... but It hink early in the draft process he had JT and Quinn both rated very high and figured if he could get Quinn (or Russell for that matter) that it would be a huge upgrade over Frye....
I don't think he ever felt Frye was a superior QB... I think he was hoping he was a solid QB that we could put a team around it.
Savage stated after the draft that getting Quinn later in the first round wasnt in the plans. He said he drafted Thomas with the #3 pick with the understanding that Frye or Anderson would be the QB and that they were comfortable with that.
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I thought he had a 'pipe dream' of getting Quinn at 7 as well though... could be wrong....
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Just a general reply ......
I thought that the pre-season "competition" showed flaws in each QB's play (Frye and Anderson) and that either guy could be out the door. I seriously didn't see both guys making the team, and had (and still have).serious questions about either guy's on the field capability.
However, this worked out better than cutting one of them at that time. We got a low draft pick, which is about all we could expect for either guy ...... and we move a step closer to the inevitable Quinn era.
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I dont know about before the draft, but Savage was trying to get Quinn way before the 22 pick during the draft. I forget how early he said he was trying to get Quinn but I think it was still a top ten pick. Most teams wanted to keep their pick.
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This is nothing but a low class railroading and an attempt to deflect the blame. Charlie Frye was made a scapegoat for the incompetence of the entire organization. This was a classless act. There should be other heads roll too. RAC's head should be in the guillotine if the wins don't come immediately.Sorry, but this is the harshest criticism I've ever had of the Browns in my 52 years. 
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"around" was always discussed in the context of not putting it on Charlie to win games for us...just manage them, when surrounded by talent...we weren't built to win THROUGH Charlie, b/c Phil knew it was a longshot that he'd be THE answer...at least that's my take on how it transpired...
unfortunately for everyone (except you) here, Charlie never even learned to manage a game...maybe it was a bad fit all along...trying to fit a rough-and-tumble kid with the heart of a gunslinger into the role of 'calm, unexciting game-manager'...i guess looking back, that's the biggest mistake that Phil made with him...he knew Charlie's talent wasn't franchise...problem was that Charlie's heart is maybe too much so...
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Alot of other teams must have seen something in him if Savage is telling the truth about several teams trying to get him since last year. Kosar said he has a big upside. But what do these guys and team know compared to the Browns juggernot.
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I am a fan of both Romeo and Savage...but this whole thing really is making me scratch my head.
I dont have a problem with trading Frye.....but what is training camp and preseason for if not to find out who the top 53 guys are going to be.
Everything I read and saw (minus Quinn) said that Frye was the best option to start at QB.
How do you go from winning the QB camp battle to being traded after a little over a quarter of game time?
I dont mind the trade...and even think its a good thing for all involved...but it really makes me wonder about the coaches and scouting dept...not seeing Frye needed to leave earlier.
Either he won the job and is your starting QB...or there was no place for him and he needed to be traded.....Its normally one or the other...not both.
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well... I like PPE's analogy where he basically put you have two piles of crap and get a trade off for only one of them... if you want to get rid of one QB you have to take what the other team gives ya
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Anyone here really think the FO would have taken a 6th round pick for Charlie if the offer had come before the loss on Sunday?
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No, especailly not to a team that has a chance at picking in the lower half of the dfrat.
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