DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Interesting Baker Stats

I was reading another thread and a unit was being criticized because some of the dudes on it were only average. This led me to think about how a poster has negatively critiqued Landry's stats. Both of these things got me to wondering about Baker's stats. So, I did a quick look. Here are some interesting--and relevant--ones.

Completion percentage: 24th [Not good]

QB Record: 23rd in percentage. [Not good]


TD Percentage: 11th: [Decent]

Interception Percentage: 25th [Not good]

Game Winning Drives: 7th [Good]

Rate: 19th [Below average[

QBR: 22nd [Not very good]

I got these stats from https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/passing.htm

I do want to add that I included some of Baker's positive stats, much unlike the stats that were provided for Landry.

I think some false pictures are being painted about just how well certain members and units of our team performed last year.

I forgot to add an important one.

Yards per Attempt: 12th [Decent]

Didn't he have like the best red zone TD percentage?

And set the rookie TD record.

I think context is important here. All of those stats are pretty decent considering he was a rookie.

I hope he balls out this year. That means the Browns are likely to win. That's all I care about.

Haven't those stats been posted on here over and over?
Those stats were not given on the site I went to. I just posted the ones that were most relevant to good qb play.

Btw---did you question the stats on Landry and/or say you just hopes he balls out this year? Must we have different rules and criteria for different players?

I will also add that I believe he was 2nd in plus level throws. In the entire league. I don't recall where I read that from or how it's measured but throughout the season I frequently commented on his plus level throws. Throws that a professional QB should make but maybe only half do.

To me that gives me hope for the future.

I'm a Landry fan and glad we have him.

I've never stated anything to the contrary.

Yeah, well Rish............all we hear is how great he is. However, the stats I posted are real. You might want to at least acknowledge them. No?

Of course, I kinda knew that this thread would turn into something quite different than its intent.

Btw----did you ever bring up any of Landry's positive stats when Memphis was dogging him?

I do acknowledge them, and I added to them.

As for Landry I've stated my opinion that I don't care about his contract. And I don't think anyone should. He's a very good player, and we should be happy to have good players. Let the team worry about his contract.

Is that acceptable? Or would you like me to start a thread disparaging Memphis and device?

Fake.

#classy

Yeah and I always hear..stats are for losers..or some dumb thing like that..who cares about a winning record..wth ...lol

These stats aren't really that interesting - about what I expected. Anyone with two eyeballs also watched him improve by leaps and bounds as the season progressed. Is this all because a few posters thought the OL could use some improvement? Geesh.

I think the rookie stats were fine and will get better... Typically it takes about 3 years for a QB to develop...

Already he is just outside the top 10.... ( a glass half full opinion).

And that is better than anything I can recall since the return..

I would bet that his stats are a lot better since Haley got fired.

Pre and post Hue/Haley firing?

Under Haley: (if I added things up right)

130-233, 1471 yards, 55.8%, 8 TD 6 INT, 6.3 yards/attempt, 5.5 games.

Under Freddie: (same caveat)

180-253, 2254 yards, 71.1%, 19 TD, 8 INT, 8.9 yards/attempt, 8 games.

Thanks. I’m on my phone and I have a hard time looking up stats.

As far as the Landry stats... I have no idea what they even mean. I did understand one stat, completion %. That is deceiving because that includes all balls that are thrown towards a receiver, even balls that are purposely thrown away.

I didn’t post on that thread because it was nothing more than a pissing match between two sides.

I’ve rewatched a few games the past few days while I was bored ... and at times Baker looks phenomenal. There was a stretch in the Carolina game where he was an incredible QB ... there was a time in the 2nd half against Houston where he was unstoppable ... he looked good against Cincy, against Atlanta, at times against NYJ and Pitt, etc

BUT I do think he struggled at times when teams got pressure and jumped routes. Like what the Chargers did

He was hog tied under Haley for sure.

Enter Kitchens. Same OL. Same OL Coach.

Those stats are incredibly good for a Rook.

Times hit and or sacked in those 8 games was insane at like 9 times.

Not sure what the OP is trying to show. He KNOWS the difference between Haley and Kitchens. And it's what's got everyone looking forward to a bright future for Mayfield and this team.

WE FINALLY GOT OURSELVES A GOSH DAMN QUARTERBACK.

I think it turned exactly as intended.

No, it was not my intention to have you guys get on my case for posting factual stats, but I should have expected it. Sometimes I forget that we can only be critical or objective w/certain players and that other players are off limits.

The only stat I care about this year, W.

Baker isn't perfect - I think we all hope he improves. As has been pointed out the difference in "factual stats" between play calling under Haley and Kitchens is enormous.

However with all that said - the only stats that would actually be fair to Baker, would be to compare him to other Rookie QB's. Anything other than that is asinine to me because of what a huge learning curve there is for rookie QB's in the NFL. jmo

Context - two different QBs once a certain coach was gone. Interesting this was brought up.

Why dwell on rookie numbers. Better than many expected. Rookie, partial season. What did one expect? We got more wins than I expected, improved more with Huey gone than I anticipated, and won fewer games than we should have.

Raise the bar for this season. Sic the Elf-hounds on 'em!

It would be far too hard to go back and adjust each catagory listed for b4 and after Haley/Kitchens ... but the completion difference is easy to figure:

Haley - Baker drps to 32nd on the list.
Kitchens - Baker rises to 2nd on the list.

That demonstrates the complexity of trying to judge Baker purely on stats .... Vs every other rookie QB he is top in each category even with the lopsided and negative impact of Haley's play calling.

THis thread didn't season well.

I think one can make a pretty good diagnosis of a player based on many stats and data points. But in this case, generally speaking, I think it is just too small of a sample size for anything definitive. But there are surely reasons to be very optimistic about an upward trajectory.

U hear that from me ... cause its true ... go ahead and boil it down to some BS like the rest of the menZas do ... Nice job bro ...

Thats the relevant breakdown to me ... first 5 under the dysfunctional duo and then 8 under Freddie ...

There should have been some natural progress there just from him gaining experience each week and building chemistry with the receivers ...

Thanks for the “splits” ...

If I may, I'd like to point out a few things that may have contributed.. I'll let you all decide if it was a positive or negative contribution.


When he (baker) took over, there was what appeared to be a war of personalities going on between Jackson and Haley (and perhaps others, not sure)

Unrest isn't the best of situations especially for a rookie QB. Baker handled it and there is no stat for that.

Wins and Losses were better under Baker but really got better once the switch at HC and OC were made. I don't think that is even close to questionable.

The TD record for a Rookie was actually set in 13 games, not 16 like those that held the record.

I'm not sure how to quantify how Baker made his teammates (and fans) feel.. not sure that is even possible. But I do know this, when he steps on the field, Stats be damned, the feeling that he can take us to a win at any time is pretty much overwhelming.. Especially to fans that have been hungry for a LONG TIME... And there is no stat for that.

When you put up stats, you gotta put them all up,, even if you don't want to see them anymore or if you just feel they've been talked about enough.. If you don't, the appearance is that you are simply trying to hide or diminish all that Baker's performances have encompassed..

Just saying...

All of that from a rookie that wasn't supposed to even start a game in 2018. Makes me wonder, what if he'd been given control from day one?

Would he have put up another 3 or 4 TD's, would some of those stats you pointed out be better or would that have gotten worse? Don't know.

I'm not trying to pick on you Vers, but you can't decide something isn't worth repeating just because you've heard or read it a million times.. Otherwise, you paint an incomplete picture...

OK,, now start your rant telling me how big a jerk I am... I'm ready, willing and able to take your assault...

Or, you could just say,, ok,, you are right Daman... LOL as if.

4500 yds, 38 TDs and even with 16 INTs (which he won't even get close to) I'd say that's a nice season. We'll go places with this guy.

Not quibbling with you, but stat wise you're off....

Mayfield 2018 season: 3,700 yds, 27 TDs/14 INT

I think he is speculating on next year's performance.

Those are useful stats and it sure beats arguments that use words like "asinine" or question another poster's character.

I will say that the record books are not going to change. I will also add that we played the Bengals [who had a horrific defense] twice, Denver who was playing 3 safeties at corner, and an injured Falcon team. Also, we were getting blown out by KC and Houston and some of the stats might be inflated.

I was just curious because I saw the word "average" being used in a negative way and it made me wonder how Baker compared to other qbs.

With that said, he should light it up this year because I don't think any qb has as much offensive talent to work with as he does.

Oh. Ok. If so, that wasn't clear as Vers' question is about last year's stats.

I think you are mistaken on this one, bro.

For the record, I wasn't getting on your case. I didn't read the bit about Landrys stats, so I don't really know what the fuss is about. I just know that is one take. I don't know if Landry is overpaid or not, and don't really care as long as it works in to the overall cap.

I just know I am glad we have the guy. Too many years with guys like Darren Chevarini and Quincy "no thumbs" Morgan make me feel that way.

Right.

Those numbers are Baker's second half stats x 2. He's just extrapolating Baker's numbers, once Huey and Toad were gone, to show what they would like like over a full season.