"They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
There are "crimes of all kinds coming through our southern border," Trump said, adding that "people hate the word 'invasion,' but that's what it is."
Also on Friday, Trump was asked if he saw "white nationalism as a rising threat around the world." "I don't really," Trump responded, saying "it's a small group of people" committing these crimes
FBI's Wray says most domestic terrorism arrests this year involve white supremacy
It's time people wake up and admit that when the leader of the free world is making comments that act to incite racial extremists, that cause domestic terrorism to rise, we all pay a cost.
Some may blame him directly while some may blame him indirectly. But what anyone with an ounce of common sense must admit is that he's a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.
The families have not even buried their dead and you guys are using their deaths to play politics.
Low by any standard.
Shame!
This is a time for mourning the dead and praying for the families of the dead and injured.
This is, was, and will be ongoing. If we wait until a bloodless day, we will wait forever. In other words... every day in America is for mourning. Because every day this thing repeats itself.
Fun fact: We have had more mass shootings in 2019 than we've haddaysin 2019.
No, my friend... the lows are being set by every person who leaves his house with murder on his mind.
I will not accept or own even one scintilla of your tilted spew this night. You personally represent the low for this entire board if you seek to shame people who have simply had a bellyful of this nonsense.
Take your fakeass pseudo condemnation and bs talking points... and send them on a straight-up vertical journey around back.
And here comes the trash ass rhetoric from the right yet again. It’s once again video games and social media’s fault. Porn too. Ofcourse the white guys get the mental health excuse yet again.
Because we’re in the only country in the world with violent video games, social media, access to porn, and people with mental health issues, right conservatives?
Atleast is liberals actually stick to the topic and addresses the tools used by these mass shooting losers. Y’all will go around in circles trying to find any reason BUT one of the easiest ones: we have a gun culture problem in this country.
And yes, black dudes will never get these excuses that white dudes get. Y’all get so ticked off at me for telling the truth. Once again, spoiled little Timmy and Johnny decided to go Rambo on communities, and yet, why is it so hard for conservatives to call it what it really is?
White domestic terrorism. A problem that has been non stop in this country since the end of the civil war.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It goes back much further than the civil war. White men have ruled with iron fist since before recorded history. Enslaving and killing others to take power is in our DNA. It's not good or bad, it just history and has little to do with these nutjobs shooting up social settings.
Trump's hate speech does nothing to help, but it's not the source of the issue either because there were plenty of mass shootings before Trump.
The real problem is mental issues. They either have some kind of sick self entitlement issues or place no value on the lives of others... I'm not going to pretend to understand it because i don't think anyone does. It's not partisan, it is domestic terrorism, and it's a problem for all of us. Those that died surely were not the same color, religion, political tribe, age, or any other label we can find... other than victims. So there is no laying of blame on a group for producing these wackjobs IMHO. There is only shared sadness and inept leadership that takes no real action to understand or stop it.
You are 100% correct that we have a gun culture. But the guns don't kill at mass shootings without a sick individual pulling the trigger.
What you’re talking about is colonialism, and I’m gonna pump the brakes on calling that domestic terrorism. Every group has plundered and pillage. Two of the greatest conquers in the world were from Mongolia, after all.
I especially disagree withthe DNA part. That is dangerous rhetoric that some whites have used against us in this country. No specific race is inherently violent.
Post civil war, it’s been most certainly about their perceived superiority over anyone that doesn’t look like them, as far as domestic terrorism goes mot of the time.
I keep hearing this mental health excuse, but by that logic, there should also been a ton of black and Latino mass shooters as well.
Yet the vast majority of mass shooters are white, who acquire their guns legally.
I believe, and will maintain my belief, that’s it’s mainly ideology.
Why? Cause we can actually address that issue though education.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Pinpoint the ideology. Because there are certainly bigots of all colors. There are self entitled folks of all colors. There are mentally ill folks of all colors too, just like you said. And the DNA was not an excuse or a white people in particular thing but rather a comment on the history. All people can kill under the right circumstances. Something sets these people off and makes them think what they are doing is justified or somehow a good idea... There ideologies don't seem to line up across the board either.
well then comment on the history. because as your friend, ill be polite and say the DNA angle was strange.
real quick, if you and i are gonna have this discussion in public, then we need to make sure not to push white guilt narratives. you know the triggersaurus's on this board are waiting to complain about it
i've actually brought up some of this history before. just doing my own fake academic research into it, i started seeing the trend back when they were called Puritans in Europe. Puritans have pretty much morphed into our modern day evangelicals we see today. i mean its crazy looking up the history. they even had their own safe space in the Netherlands, and STILL complained about being discriminated against, despite them doing the most discriminating.
you should look up the purtian background from europe. its enlightening, and things certainly make you go "oh, so thats why <insert whatever>".
i've already pointed out thousands of times our good ole christian communities using religion as an excuse for slavery and segregation. so religion is most certainly PART of the ideology you can pinpoint.
and thats just the jump. i think supremacist/nationalist ideologies certainly seem to line up across the board when looked at it.
and it always seem to involve the power of the gun in their hand.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I just listened to the Presidents address this morning - reading from script .... it was a very good speech, probably the best he has sounded. Although I do have some issues or points to raise:
.... he sounded great and said there were tasks to do, but then didn't offer actual solutions.
.... he talked about stopping immediately with the glorification of guns/death referencing video games. Huh? Are there ANY studies at all to show ANYWHERE in the world that a single mass shooter was influenced by video games? Sounds like that's empty rhetoric to divert the discussion away from gun laws.
.... He said and virtually set himself up to blame democrats for any failure in progress saying bipartisan efforts were needed. Well, bring something worthy of bipartisan backing and you will get it. Bring BS and NRA agenda to the table and you won't get it. Pffft.
.... He couldn't help sing his own song and toot his own horn talking about banning bump stocks and the number of arrests .... smh. Not a time to be puffing your chest out.
.... yeah - he said Toledo instead of Dayton. Not great and I am sure people in Dayton might feel offended but I am not sure it's a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Me? I still think Trump's anti-immigrant and divisive leadership is more to blame for enabling these whackos than anything else. And Trumps words of love and veneration the American community ring hollow when the leader of the free world is attacking someone on Twitter with vitriol and angst every other day ... not to mention telling women of color to go back to their own country or that Mexico is sending their rapists and criminals here.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
He sounded almost literate and Presidential but he just can't get out of his own way. He does want to take their guns away though, that kind of surprised me.
It goes back much further than the civil war. White men have ruled with iron fist since before recorded history. Enslaving and killing others to take power is in our DNA. It's not good or bad, it just history and has little to do with these nutjobs shooting up social settings.
Ruling with an iron fist, slavery, racism predates white men existing.. After all, isn't that why folks remind us all the time that Jesus wasn't white? The Egyptians weren't white, the mongols weren't white, the tribes of Africa weren't white... in fact, I think it's safe to say that this "white dominance" is a relatively new phenomenon in the course of human history...
It goes back much further than the civil war. White men have ruled with iron fist since before recorded history. Enslaving and killing others to take power is in our DNA. It's not good or bad, it just history and has little to do with these nutjobs shooting up social settings.
Ruling with an iron fist, slavery, racism predates white men existing.. After all, isn't that why folks remind us all the time that Jesus wasn't white? The Egyptians weren't white, the mongols weren't white, the tribes of Africa weren't white... in fact, I think it's safe to say that this "white dominance" is a relatively new phenomenon in the course of human history...
This is the current, 2019 Slavery index. Notice anything?
i wonder how highlighted the US and europe would be if you included the human trafficking numbers, which is a form of slavery.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i wonder how highlighted the US and europe would be if you included the human trafficking numbers, which is a form of slavery.
I don't know anything about that graph.. but is including where things are legal? If something is illegal and is being fought, does it go on the graph?
i dunno. he didn't provide a link, so im just going off what the chart is showing.
i also don't know why the chart was even relevant to the discussion OCD and i were having. we're talking about the past of THIS country affecting THIS country today.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
ok, found the page since the guy posting it was too lazy to provide context.
this explains how they came up with the figures. makes more sense if this was 2019 slavery discussion.
which it isn't.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
and whats worse in this country is that these white guys like Throw long are talking about whites feeling "disenfranchised" and "left behind".
there's so many single women and victims of abuse in this country who ARENT shooting up places, who have actual legitimate claims of being left behind and disenfranchised.
we got a lot of baby ass males in this country.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm not even willing to debate the topic of "mental illness" in regards to this topic. Though one would have to make some connection that everyone whose hate rises to the point of a mass shooting must be mentally ill. That's not a conclusion I'm willing to make.
But for the sake of discussion, let's suppose they are tied to mental illness. Can people actually try to make the argument that mentally ill people can not be triggered and become emboldened by the leader of the free world? That comments that support their hatred can not act as a catalyst for their actions?
Let's be honest here for just a moment. Or at least try to. Many people have a mental illness to some degree. People call depression, anxiety and a host of other rather common problems people have as some type of mental illness. And maybe to one degree or another they are. But to act as though many of them act without being motivated by outside sources to act on their feelings seems to be disingenuous.
When you have the leader of the free world saying things like what is in this video, quit writing him a blank check by pretending he isn't adding to the problem. Quit pretending that when a mentally unstable person hears the president of his own country seemingly make light of killing immigrants it won't embolden them and possibly act as a catalyst for their actions.
Words have meaning and words have consequences.
For those who can't hear it, the person in the audience replied, "Shoot them!" before Trump said you can only get away with that in the panhandle"
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
and whats worse in this country is that these white guys like Throw long are talking about whites feeling "disenfranchised" and "left behind".
there's so many single women and victims of abuse in this country who ARENT shooting up places, who have actual legitimate claims of being left behind and disenfranchised.
we got a lot of baby ass males in this country.
We've got a pretty decent number of white males that aren't shooting up places, too, just saying.
I believe in the idea of affirmative action. However, I can't help but think that the implementation of that idea has been counterproductive in many instances.
We should try to have people from all backgrounds treated fairly. However quota systems aren't really that fair.
I believe we're working at the "problem" from the wrong direction. I think we should put more focus on early education and opportunities than trying to artificially even up opportunities "at the end."
Is it fair for a good African American candidate who puts in a decent amount of effort to get a job over a great Caucasian candidate who puts in a tremendous amount of effort? I can see how that would be disenfranchising to the Caucasian candidate.
The one candidate isn't rewarded for aspiring for greatness and the other doesn't have to. This doesn't seem like a very good system to me. It seems to cater to mediocrity and frustration.
That isn't to say that wage and employment gaps aren't an issue. They are. There are great candidates that get overlooked because they aren't white. There's got to be a more meritocratic way to avoid that, though.
The guns blazing approach is definitely the wrong avenue of seeking redress for white men. From their perspective, I can see how they feel wronged, though. I can also see how minorities/protected classes feel wronged. Still, two wrongs don't make a right as they say. There has to be a more equitable arrangement.
Proclaiming something as fair and balanced doesn't make it so unfortunately.
Killing off the competition should never be the answer.
Just my observations.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
and whats worse in this country is that these white guys like Throw long are talking about whites feeling "disenfranchised" and "left behind".
there's so many single women and victims of abuse in this country who ARENT shooting up places, who have actual legitimate claims of being left behind and disenfranchised.
we got a lot of baby ass males in this country.
Yep and they cry about 9 folks being murdered while they ignore the 115 BABIES THAT ARE MURDERED EVERY 48 HOURS IN OHIO.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
That's his go to every single time. He can't seem to focus on any other topic in terms of deaths.
These deaths are so very sad. Just like all senseless deaths. Yet you and others want to turn your back on them and act like they are not happening all the while you blame others for far less murders.
You keep forgetting that I'm against abortions. Let me turn the tables on you for a second and see how this sounds to you.......
"You turn your backs on the elderly, those that need healthcare and the poor to vote for trump."
See, I know you're not actually voting "against" those things. You just see abortion as being more important than all of those things combined.
I see education, feeding children who are already here, healthcare for the people already here and a host of other issues combined more important than the single issue of abortion.
So please quit acting as if I don't care. I just feel my vote isn't to be decided on one issue while ignoring all of the other ones. You disagree.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Oh contraire brother. I am looking at Dems to vote for this time. I believe Trump took care of the abortions with all of his Court appointies. Now I am looking at taking care of the other things I complain about. I have not been settleing. I have been working toward my goals of fixing multiple problems.
but the issues havent been fixed. makes me wonder if you're gonna vote for trump again since the issue hasn't been fixed...atleast from your perspective.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So then you would agree that the comment you made to me is no less honest than the one I made toward you? Yet I pointed out my comment towards you was purely facetious.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The things is, it will be the SCOTUS that decides the abortion issue. Now that the SCOTUS is pretty much been stacked to do that, it really doesn't matter who the president is.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
but the issues havent been fixed. makes me wonder if you're gonna vote for trump again since the issue hasn't been fixed...atleast from your perspective.
I believe the issues have been fixed. I see our currant Supreme court overturning Roe V wade in the next several years.
So then you would agree that the comment you made to me is no less honest than the one I made toward you? Yet I pointed out my comment towards you was purely facetious.
No because you and anybody else who actually reads these forums knows I voted for Trump because I believed he would set us up to overturn Roe V wade, and I believe that he has. Everything I posted has been true to what I have been standing up for from the start.
So then you would agree that the comment you made to me is no less honest than the one I made toward you? Yet I pointed out my comment towards you was purely facetious.
No because you and anybody else who actually reads these forums knows I voted for Trump because I believed he would set us up to overturn Roe V wade, and I believe that he has. Everything I posted has been true to what I have been standing up for from the start.
Congratulations your selfishness on saving unborn fetuses has actually help turn our cities into White Isis killing fields. Good on you bro.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
thanks Bro, and congrats to you for believing that things would be any better if Hillary had won.
Ok, in your opinion you don’t think race relations and women’s rights under Hillary’s leadership would be making better progress. LOL. Ok bro ...I’ll put you on the White Isis side of things.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
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